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by: Will Dockery - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 14:36 UTC

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by: Coco DeSockmonkey - Wed, 1 Jun 2022 15:13 UTC

On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:36:32 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Again, the pedophilia you see in the poem is all in your imagination, Pendragon.

Are you denying that 3) was an intentional layer of meaning/symbolism/imagery on Ginsberg's part?

There are exactly four ways to interpret that poem, Donkey:

1) A submissive pleading for sex from a dominator,
2) A slave pleading for BDSM sex from its master,
3) An apprentice/acolyte (adolescent boy) pleading for BDSM sex from its master, and
4) A masochistic worshipper praying for BDSM sex from God.

I don't believe that any one of these interpretations are right or wrong. If you select any one as the main narrative, the others remain as additional layers of symbolism/meaning.

And since we know that Ginsberg was a member of NAMBLA, we can assume that the apprentice/acolyte version at the forefront of his mind during the writing of this piece.

Michael Pendragon
"Allen Ginsberg had sexual activity with a young man who was NOT 15, but 17/18, and he made a hyperbolic error in using the word '15'."
-- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering

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by: W.Dockery - Fri, 3 Jun 2022 04:22 UTC

Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:

> On Wednesday, June 1, 2022 at 10:36:32 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
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>> Again, the pedophilia you see in the poem is all in your imagination, Pendragon.

> Are you denying that 3) was an intentional layer of meaning/symbolism/imagery on Ginsberg's part

No, just that there's no pedophile imagery at all in this Allen Ginsberg poem.

HTH and HAND.

Subject	Author
Re: Ginsberg's Rorschach poetry	Will Dockery
Re: Ginsberg's Rorschach poetry	Coco DeSockmonkey
Re: Ginsberg's Rorschach poetry	W.Dockery