Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>>

>> Not my favorite Allen Ginsberg work, as I mentioned earlier.
>
> Important work in a very obscure genre though...

"Gay Erotica" is no longer obscure now, of course.

🙂

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
>
> > Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >>
> >> Not my favorite Allen Ginsberg work, as I mentioned earlier.
> >
> > Important work in a very obscure genre though...
>
> "Gay Erotica" is no longer obscure now, of course.
>
> 🙂

I'm sorry, Donkey... I must have missed your "coming out" post.

Could you post a link to it below?

Michael Pendragon
"One of the goals of poetry as I was taught and still work for, is as communication."
-- Will Dockery demonstrating his failure to communicate

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:29:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Zod wrote:
> >
> > > Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > >> Not my favorite Allen Ginsberg work, as I mentioned earlier.
> > >
> > > Important work in a very obscure genre though...
> >
> > "Gay Erotica" is no longer obscure now, of course.
> >
> > 🙂
> I'm sorry, Donkey... I must have missed your "coming out" post.

I never said I was gay, you're just confused again, Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey.

HTH and HAND.

>
> Could you post a link to it below?
>
>
> Michael Pendragon
> "One of the goals of poetry as I was taught and still work for, is as communication."
> -- Will Dockery demonstrating his failure to communicate

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:29:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Zod wrote:
> > >
> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Not my favorite Allen Ginsberg work, as I mentioned earlier.
> > > >
> > > > Important work in a very obscure genre though...
> > >
> > > "Gay Erotica" is no longer obscure now, of course.
> > >
> > > 🙂
> > I'm sorry, Donkey... I must have missed your "coming out" post.
> I never said I was gay, you're just confused again, Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey.
>

No? Well after your recent post in this thread, I'd say we can make it official that you have.

Michael Pendragon
"… giggling
at the gay guys
outside Sweet Gum Head bar
two green haired
punk rock boys
kissing…"
-- Will Dockery, on why he's not homophobic.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 1:09:39 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:29:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Zod wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Not my favorite Allen Ginsberg work, as I mentioned earlier.
> > > > >
> > > > > Important work in a very obscure genre though...
> > > >
> > > > "Gay Erotica" is no longer obscure now, of course.
> > > >
> > > > 🙂
> > > I'm sorry, Donkey... I must have missed your "coming out" post.
> > I never said I was gay, you're just confused again, Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey.
> >
> No? Well after your recent post in this thread, I'd say we can make it official that you have.

Not at all, I simply identified the genre of the poem.

>
> Michael Pendragon
> "… giggling
> at the gay guys
> outside Sweet Gum Head bar
> two green haired
> punk rock boys
> kissing…"
> -- Will Dockery, on why he's not homophobic.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 1:18:27 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 1:09:39 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:29:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Zod wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Not my favorite Allen Ginsberg work, as I mentioned earlier.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Important work in a very obscure genre though...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Gay Erotica" is no longer obscure now, of course.
> > > > >
> > > > > 🙂
> > > > I'm sorry, Donkey... I must have missed your "coming out" post.
> > > I never said I was gay, you're just confused again, Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey.
> > >
> > No? Well after your recent post in this thread, I'd say we can make it official that you have.
> Not at all, I simply identified the genre of the poem.

You did that... and so much more.

> > Michael Pendragon
> > "… giggling
> > at the gay guys
> > outside Sweet Gum Head bar
> > two green haired
> > punk rock boys
> > kissing…"
> > -- Will Dockery, on why he's not homophobic.

Will Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:

>>>

>>> Not my favorite Allen Ginsberg work, as I mentioned earlier.
>>
>> Important work in a very obscure genre though...

> "Gay Erotica" is no longer obscure now, of course.

> 🙂

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_literature#20th_century

***********20th century
Although D. H. Lawrence could be regarded as a writer of love poems, he usually dealt in the less romantic aspects of love such as sexual frustration or the sex act itself. Ezra Pound, in his Literary Essays, complained of Lawrence's interest in his own "disagreeable sensations" but praised him for his "low-life narrative". This is a reference to Lawrence's dialect poems akin to the Scots poems of Robert Burns, in which he reproduced the language and concerns of the people of Nottinghamshire from his youth. He called one collection of poems Pansies partly for the simple ephemeral nature of the verse but also a pun on the French word panser, to dress or bandage a wound. "The Noble Englishman" and "Don't Look at Me" were removed from the official edition of Pansies on the grounds of obscenity; Lawrence felt wounded by this.[citation needed]

From the age of 17, Gavin Ewart acquired a reputation for wit and accomplishment through such works as "Phallus in Wonderland" and "Poems and Songs", which appeared in 1939 and was his first collection. The intelligence and casually flamboyant virtuosity with which he framed his often humorous commentaries on human behaviour made his work invariably entertaining and interesting. The irreverent eroticism for which his poetry is noted resulted in W H Smith's banning of his "The Pleasures of the Flesh" (1966) from their shops.[citation needed]

Canadian poet John Glassco wrote Squire Hardman (1967), a long poem in heroic couplets, purporting to be a reprint of an 18th-century poem by George Colman the Younger, on the theme of flagellation.[25]

Italian Una Chi distinguished herself among other publications for coldly analytical prose and for the crudeness of the stories.******************

General-Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>>> Will Dockery wrote:

>>>>

>>>> Not my favorite Allen Ginsberg work, as I mentioned earlier.
>>>
>>> Important work in a very obscure genre though...

>> "Gay Erotica" is no longer obscure now, of course.

>> 🙂

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erotic_literature#20th_century

> ***********20th century
> Although D. H. Lawrence could be regarded as a writer of love poems, he usually dealt in the less romantic aspects of love such as sexual frustration or the sex act itself. Ezra Pound, in his Literary Essays, complained of Lawrence's interest in his own "disagreeable sensations" but praised him for his "low-life narrative". This is a reference to Lawrence's dialect poems akin to the Scots poems of Robert Burns, in which he reproduced the language and concerns of the people of Nottinghamshire from his youth. He called one collection of poems Pansies partly for the simple ephemeral nature of the verse but also a pun on the French word panser, to dress or bandage a wound. "The Noble Englishman" and "Don't Look at Me" were removed from the official edition of Pansies on the grounds of obscenity; Lawrence felt wounded by this.[citation needed]

> From the age of 17, Gavin Ewart acquired a reputation for wit and accomplishment through such works as "Phallus in Wonderland" and "Poems and Songs", which appeared in 1939 and was his first collection. The intelligence and casually flamboyant virtuosity with which he framed his often humorous commentaries on human behaviour made his work invariably entertaining and interesting. The irreverent eroticism for which his poetry is noted resulted in W H Smith's banning of his "The Pleasures of the Flesh" (1966) from their shops.[citation needed]

> Canadian poet John Glassco wrote Squire Hardman (1967), a long poem in heroic couplets, purporting to be a reprint of an 18th-century poem by George Colman the Younger, on the theme of flagellation.[25]

> Italian Una Chi distinguished herself among other publications for coldly analytical prose and for the crudeness of the stories.******************

Good find, Zod.

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:29:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Zod wrote:
> > >
> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> Not my favorite Allen Ginsberg work, as I mentioned earlier.
> > > >
> > > > Important work in a very obscure genre though...
> > >
> > > "Gay Erotica" is no longer obscure now, of course.
>
> >
> > Could you post a link to it below?

..Here you go, V.D. Boy....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoerotic_poetry

****************************Homoerotic poetry is a genre of poetry implicitly dealing with same-sex romantic or sexual interaction. The male-male erotic tradition encompasses poems by major poets such as Abu Nuwas, Michelangelo, Walt Whitman, Federico García Lorca, W. H. Auden, Fernando Pessoa and Allen Ginsberg. In the female-female tradition, authors may include those such as Sappho, "Michael Field", "Marie-Madeleine" and Maureen Duffy. Other poets wrote poems and letters with homoerotic overtones toward individuals, such as Emily Dickinson to her sister-in-law Susan Huntington Gilbert.

English poetry

Sonnet 20
The most prominent example in the English language and in the Western canon is that of Sonnet 20 by William Shakespeare. Though some critics have made efforts to preserve Shakespeare's literary credibility by claiming his work to be non-erotic in nature, no critic has disputed that the majority of Shakespeare's sonnets concern explicitly male-male love poetry. The only other Renaissance artist writing in English to do this was the poet Richard Barnfield, who, in The Affectionate Shepherd and Cynthia, wrote homoerotic poetry. Barnfield's poems, furthermore, are now widely accepted as a major influence upon Shakespeare's.[1]

In the twentieth century, W. H. Auden and Allen Ginsberg became well known as poets. In Great Britain the pederast Ralph Chubb lived in poverty and produced his own books in limited editions made from illustrated engravings (similar to methods employed by William Blake), which he then erased.[citation needed]

During the 19th century the British gay poet Digby Mackworth Dolben was little known; however, in the last decade Lord Alfred Douglas produced a major volume of Dolben's homoerotic poems (1896) published in Paris, written in both English and French translations after the trial of Oscar Wilde for homosexual offences brought about largely by Wilde's love for Douglas. Wilde in De Profundis, a poem about his prison experiences which broke him and led to his death in 1900 in Paris, produced an enduring poem. At the same time A. E. Housman gave voice to gay feelings of fear and guilt in a still-criminalized situation in his A Shropshire Lad (1896). In the twentieth century Noël Coward wrote witty gay poems while the magician Aleister Crowley wrote works in English.[citation needed]

The British savant Anthony Reid created the largest male homosexual anthology of poems: The Eternal Flame (2 volumes, 1992–2002) which he worked on for nearly fifty years; publication of the second volume was held up by the publisher going bankrupt. The Canadian gay poet Ian Young produced the first major bibliography with his works The Male Homosexual in Literature (2 editions, the second being expanded). The Australian gay poet Paul Knobel's CD-ROM 'An Encyclopedia of Male Homosexual Poetry and its Reception History' (2002) is the largest survey of the subject and comes to one million words with overviews covering over 250 languages and language groups. He has also published A World Overview of Male Homosexual Poetry (2005). Gregory Woods has produced other studies, including a history of gay literature with some reference to poetry.[citation needed]

The period since gay liberation (from 1968) has produced dozens of gay poetry anthologies (e.g. 2 edited by Ian Young alone and others by Winston Leyland producer of the gay lib periodical Gay Sunshine, which included poetry); this has mainly been the result of the increasing decriminalisation of gay sex in the Anglo world (male homosexual acts were decriminalized in France in the late 18th century and in Italy in the late 19th). Notable United States gay poets include Dennis Cooper, Gavin Dillard, John Gill, Dennis Kelly, Tom Meyer, Paul Monette, Harold Norse and Jonathan Williams. Rob Jacques has written about the relationship between love and violence in the military.[2] Jamse S. Holmes was a leather poet who emigrated to Amsterdam. Daryl Hine from Canada and David Herkt and Paul Knobel from Australia have written fine gay poems. New Zealand has a vibrant gay culture and has produced some gay poets. The Canadian gay poet Edward A. Lacey was run over in the street while drunk in Bangkok; repatriated to Canada, he remained bedridden until his death. His complete poems were only published in the early 21st century. The British poet Thom Gunn lived in the United States and wrote a notable volume inspired by AIDS (which has produced several anthologies)*********************************************

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 3:48:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:29:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Zod wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Not my favorite Allen Ginsberg work, as I mentioned earlier.
> > > > >
> > > > > Important work in a very obscure genre though...
> > > >
> > > > "Gay Erotica" is no longer obscure now, of course.
> >
> > >
> > > Could you post a link to it below?
> .Here you go, V.D. Boy....
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoerotic_poetry
>
> ****************************Homoerotic poetry is a genre of poetry implicitly dealing with same-sex romantic or sexual interaction. The male-male erotic tradition encompasses poems by major poets such as Abu Nuwas, Michelangelo, Walt Whitman, Federico García Lorca, W. H. Auden, Fernando Pessoa and Allen Ginsberg. In the female-female tradition, authors may include those such as Sappho, "Michael Field", "Marie-Madeleine" and Maureen Duffy. Other poets wrote poems and letters with homoerotic overtones toward individuals, such as Emily Dickinson to her sister-in-law Susan Huntington Gilbert.
>
> English poetry
>
> Sonnet 20
> The most prominent example in the English language and in the Western canon is that of Sonnet 20 by William Shakespeare. Though some critics have made efforts to preserve Shakespeare's literary credibility by claiming his work to be non-erotic in nature, no critic has disputed that the majority of Shakespeare's sonnets concern explicitly male-male love poetry. The only other Renaissance artist writing in English to do this was the poet Richard Barnfield, who, in The Affectionate Shepherd and Cynthia, wrote homoerotic poetry. Barnfield's poems, furthermore, are now widely accepted as a major influence upon Shakespeare's.[1]
>
> In the twentieth century, W. H. Auden and Allen Ginsberg became well known as poets. In Great Britain the pederast Ralph Chubb lived in poverty and produced his own books in limited editions made from illustrated engravings (similar to methods employed by William Blake), which he then erased.[citation needed]
>
> During the 19th century the British gay poet Digby Mackworth Dolben was little known; however, in the last decade Lord Alfred Douglas produced a major volume of Dolben's homoerotic poems (1896) published in Paris, written in both English and French translations after the trial of Oscar Wilde for homosexual offences brought about largely by Wilde's love for Douglas. Wilde in De Profundis, a poem about his prison experiences which broke him and led to his death in 1900 in Paris, produced an enduring poem. At the same time A. E. Housman gave voice to gay feelings of fear and guilt in a still-criminalized situation in his A Shropshire Lad (1896). In the twentieth century Noël Coward wrote witty gay poems while the magician Aleister Crowley wrote works in English.[citation needed]
>
> The British savant Anthony Reid created the largest male homosexual anthology of poems: The Eternal Flame (2 volumes, 1992–2002) which he worked on for nearly fifty years; publication of the second volume was held up by the publisher going bankrupt. The Canadian gay poet Ian Young produced the first major bibliography with his works The Male Homosexual in Literature (2 editions, the second being expanded). The Australian gay poet Paul Knobel's CD-ROM 'An Encyclopedia of Male Homosexual Poetry and its Reception History' (2002) is the largest survey of the subject and comes to one million words with overviews covering over 250 languages and language groups. He has also published A World Overview of Male Homosexual Poetry (2005). Gregory Woods has produced other studies, including a history of gay literature with some reference to poetry.[citation needed]
>
> The period since gay liberation (from 1968) has produced dozens of gay poetry anthologies (e.g. 2 edited by Ian Young alone and others by Winston Leyland producer of the gay lib periodical Gay Sunshine, which included poetry); this has mainly been the result of the increasing decriminalisation of gay sex in the Anglo world (male homosexual acts were decriminalized in France in the late 18th century and in Italy in the late 19th). Notable United States gay poets include Dennis Cooper, Gavin Dillard, John Gill, Dennis Kelly, Tom Meyer, Paul Monette, Harold Norse and Jonathan Williams. Rob Jacques has written about the relationship between love and violence in the military.[2] Jamse S. Holmes was a leather poet who emigrated to Amsterdam. Daryl Hine from Canada and David Herkt and Paul Knobel from Australia have written fine gay poems. New Zealand has a vibrant gay culture and has produced some gay poets. The Canadian gay poet Edward A. Lacey was run over in the street while drunk in Bangkok; repatriated to Canada, he remained bedridden until his death. His complete poems were only published in the early 21st century. The British poet Thom Gunn lived in the United States and wrote a notable volume inspired by AIDS (which has produced several anthologies)*********************************************
>

Do you read these to Dirty Mike why he accompanies you on his mandolin?

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:34:57 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 3:48:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:29:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Zod wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Not my favorite Allen Ginsberg work, as I mentioned earlier.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Important work in a very obscure genre though...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Gay Erotica" is no longer obscure now, of course.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Could you post a link to it below?
> > .Here you go, V.D. Boy....
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoerotic_poetry
> >
> > ****************************Homoerotic poetry is a genre of poetry implicitly dealing with same-sex romantic or sexual interaction. The male-male erotic tradition encompasses poems by major poets such as Abu Nuwas, Michelangelo, Walt Whitman, Federico García Lorca, W. H. Auden, Fernando Pessoa and Allen Ginsberg. In the female-female tradition, authors may include those such as Sappho, "Michael Field", "Marie-Madeleine" and Maureen Duffy.. Other poets wrote poems and letters with homoerotic overtones toward individuals, such as Emily Dickinson to her sister-in-law Susan Huntington Gilbert.
> >
> > English poetry
> >
> > Sonnet 20
> > The most prominent example in the English language and in the Western canon is that of Sonnet 20 by William Shakespeare. Though some critics have made efforts to preserve Shakespeare's literary credibility by claiming his work to be non-erotic in nature, no critic has disputed that the majority of Shakespeare's sonnets concern explicitly male-male love poetry. The only other Renaissance artist writing in English to do this was the poet Richard Barnfield, who, in The Affectionate Shepherd and Cynthia, wrote homoerotic poetry. Barnfield's poems, furthermore, are now widely accepted as a major influence upon Shakespeare's.[1]
> >
> > In the twentieth century, W. H. Auden and Allen Ginsberg became well known as poets. In Great Britain the pederast Ralph Chubb lived in poverty and produced his own books in limited editions made from illustrated engravings (similar to methods employed by William Blake), which he then erased.[citation needed]
> >
> > During the 19th century the British gay poet Digby Mackworth Dolben was little known; however, in the last decade Lord Alfred Douglas produced a major volume of Dolben's homoerotic poems (1896) published in Paris, written in both English and French translations after the trial of Oscar Wilde for homosexual offences brought about largely by Wilde's love for Douglas. Wilde in De Profundis, a poem about his prison experiences which broke him and led to his death in 1900 in Paris, produced an enduring poem. At the same time A. E. Housman gave voice to gay feelings of fear and guilt in a still-criminalized situation in his A Shropshire Lad (1896). In the twentieth century Noël Coward wrote witty gay poems while the magician Aleister Crowley wrote works in English.[citation needed]
> >
> > The British savant Anthony Reid created the largest male homosexual anthology of poems: The Eternal Flame (2 volumes, 1992–2002) which he worked on for nearly fifty years; publication of the second volume was held up by the publisher going bankrupt. The Canadian gay poet Ian Young produced the first major bibliography with his works The Male Homosexual in Literature (2 editions, the second being expanded). The Australian gay poet Paul Knobel's CD-ROM 'An Encyclopedia of Male Homosexual Poetry and its Reception History' (2002) is the largest survey of the subject and comes to one million words with overviews covering over 250 languages and language groups. He has also published A World Overview of Male Homosexual Poetry (2005). Gregory Woods has produced other studies, including a history of gay literature with some reference to poetry.[citation needed]
> >
> > The period since gay liberation (from 1968) has produced dozens of gay poetry anthologies (e.g. 2 edited by Ian Young alone and others by Winston Leyland producer of the gay lib periodical Gay Sunshine, which included poetry); this has mainly been the result of the increasing decriminalisation of gay sex in the Anglo world (male homosexual acts were decriminalized in France in the late 18th century and in Italy in the late 19th). Notable United States gay poets include Dennis Cooper, Gavin Dillard, John Gill, Dennis Kelly, Tom Meyer, Paul Monette, Harold Norse and Jonathan Williams. Rob Jacques has written about the relationship between love and violence in the military.[2] Jamse S. Holmes was a leather poet who emigrated to Amsterdam. Daryl Hine from Canada and David Herkt and Paul Knobel from Australia have written fine gay poems. New Zealand has a vibrant gay culture and has produced some gay poets. The Canadian gay poet Edward A. Lacey was run over in the street while drunk in Bangkok; repatriated to Canada, he remained bedridden until his death. His complete poems were only published in the early 21st century. The British poet Thom Gunn lived in the United States and wrote a notable volume inspired by AIDS (which has produced several anthologies)*********************************************
> >
> Do you read these to Dirty Mike why he accompanies you on his mandolin?

Your fantasy is noted.

🙂

On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:42:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 7:34:57 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 3:48:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 12:10:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:29:38 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > Zod wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Not my favorite Allen Ginsberg work, as I mentioned earlier.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Important work in a very obscure genre though...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Gay Erotica" is no longer obscure now, of course.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Could you post a link to it below?
> > > .Here you go, V.D. Boy....
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homoerotic_poetry
> > >
> > > ****************************Homoerotic poetry is a genre of poetry implicitly dealing with same-sex romantic or sexual interaction. The male-male erotic tradition encompasses poems by major poets such as Abu Nuwas, Michelangelo, Walt Whitman, Federico García Lorca, W. H. Auden, Fernando Pessoa and Allen Ginsberg. In the female-female tradition, authors may include those such as Sappho, "Michael Field", "Marie-Madeleine" and Maureen Duffy. Other poets wrote poems and letters with homoerotic overtones toward individuals, such as Emily Dickinson to her sister-in-law Susan Huntington Gilbert.
> > >
> > > English poetry
> > >
> > > Sonnet 20
> > > The most prominent example in the English language and in the Western canon is that of Sonnet 20 by William Shakespeare. Though some critics have made efforts to preserve Shakespeare's literary credibility by claiming his work to be non-erotic in nature, no critic has disputed that the majority of Shakespeare's sonnets concern explicitly male-male love poetry. The only other Renaissance artist writing in English to do this was the poet Richard Barnfield, who, in The Affectionate Shepherd and Cynthia, wrote homoerotic poetry. Barnfield's poems, furthermore, are now widely accepted as a major influence upon Shakespeare's.[1]
> > >
> > > In the twentieth century, W. H. Auden and Allen Ginsberg became well known as poets. In Great Britain the pederast Ralph Chubb lived in poverty and produced his own books in limited editions made from illustrated engravings (similar to methods employed by William Blake), which he then erased.[citation needed]
> > >
> > > During the 19th century the British gay poet Digby Mackworth Dolben was little known; however, in the last decade Lord Alfred Douglas produced a major volume of Dolben's homoerotic poems (1896) published in Paris, written in both English and French translations after the trial of Oscar Wilde for homosexual offences brought about largely by Wilde's love for Douglas. Wilde in De Profundis, a poem about his prison experiences which broke him and led to his death in 1900 in Paris, produced an enduring poem. At the same time A. E. Housman gave voice to gay feelings of fear and guilt in a still-criminalized situation in his A Shropshire Lad (1896). In the twentieth century Noël Coward wrote witty gay poems while the magician Aleister Crowley wrote works in English.[citation needed]
> > >
> > > The British savant Anthony Reid created the largest male homosexual anthology of poems: The Eternal Flame (2 volumes, 1992–2002) which he worked on for nearly fifty years; publication of the second volume was held up by the publisher going bankrupt. The Canadian gay poet Ian Young produced the first major bibliography with his works The Male Homosexual in Literature (2 editions, the second being expanded). The Australian gay poet Paul Knobel's CD-ROM 'An Encyclopedia of Male Homosexual Poetry and its Reception History' (2002) is the largest survey of the subject and comes to one million words with overviews covering over 250 languages and language groups. He has also published A World Overview of Male Homosexual Poetry (2005). Gregory Woods has produced other studies, including a history of gay literature with some reference to poetry.[citation needed]
> > >
> > > The period since gay liberation (from 1968) has produced dozens of gay poetry anthologies (e.g. 2 edited by Ian Young alone and others by Winston Leyland producer of the gay lib periodical Gay Sunshine, which included poetry); this has mainly been the result of the increasing decriminalisation of gay sex in the Anglo world (male homosexual acts were decriminalized in France in the late 18th century and in Italy in the late 19th). Notable United States gay poets include Dennis Cooper, Gavin Dillard, John Gill, Dennis Kelly, Tom Meyer, Paul Monette, Harold Norse and Jonathan Williams. Rob Jacques has written about the relationship between love and violence in the military.[2] Jamse S. Holmes was a leather poet who emigrated to Amsterdam.. Daryl Hine from Canada and David Herkt and Paul Knobel from Australia have written fine gay poems. New Zealand has a vibrant gay culture and has produced some gay poets. The Canadian gay poet Edward A. Lacey was run over in the street while drunk in Bangkok; repatriated to Canada, he remained bedridden until his death. His complete poems were only published in the early 21st century. The British poet Thom Gunn lived in the United States and wrote a notable volume inspired by AIDS (which has produced several anthologies)*********************************************
> > >
> > Do you read these to Dirty Mike why he accompanies you on his mandolin?
> Your fantasy is noted.

Let your Stinksock answer the question... once he crawls out of the shitpile he passed out on.

Michael Pendragon
"Well, knowing Sulzbach as I do, I was pleasantly surprised he decided to spend the money on something other than booze and drugs."
-- Will Dockery, providing a character reference for his best friend of 40-plus years.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Tuesday, May 31, 2022 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>>
>> > Will Dockery wrote:
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>> >>
>> >> Not my favorite Allen Ginsberg work, as I mentioned earlier.
>> >
>> > Important work in a very obscure genre though...
>>
>> "Gay Erotica" is no longer obscure now, of course.
>>
>>

> I'm sorry

Apology accepted, Pendragon.

🙂