On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 3:18:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 2:41:45 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Earl Browder wrote:
> > > Willie wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Maybe instead of labeling those poets as Metaphysical or not, we should label them as Liberal (Jeffersonian) vs. Conservative (Hamiltonian).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://the-aha-society.com/index.php/publications/articles/87-aha-society-articles/179-poetry-of-alexander-hamilton
> > > >
> > > > And equal time for some Hamiltonian poetry:
> > > >
> > > > The Soul ascending into Bliss, In humble imitation of
> > > > Popes Dying Christian to his Soul
> > > >
> > > > AH! whither, whither, am I flown,
> > > > A wandering guest in worlds unknown?
> > > > What is that I see and hear?
> > > > What heav'nly music fills mine ear?
> > > > Etherial glories shine around;
> > > > More than Arabias sweets abound.
> > > >
> > > > Hark! hark! a voice from yonder sky,
> > > > Methinks I hear my Saviour cry,
> > > > Come gentle spirit come away,
> > > > Come to thy Lord without delay;
> > > > For thee the gates of bliss unbar'd
> > > > Thy constant virtue to reward.
> > > >
> > > > I come oh Lord! I mount, I fly,
> > > > On rapid wings I cleave the sky;
> > > > Stretch out thine arm and aid my flight;
> > > > For oh! I long to gain that height,
> > > > Where all celestial beings sing
> > > > Eternal praises to their King.
> > > >
> > > > O Lamb of God! thrice gracious Lord
> > > > Now, now I feel how true thy word;
> > > > Translated to this happy place,
> > > > This blessed vision of thy face;
> > > > My soul shall all thy steps attend
> > > > In songs of triumph without end.
> > >
> > > Well, based on these two, I'd label Hamilton the better poet.
> I agree with Michael that it stays too much inside the convention of Christian poetry for those days (though I'd add, because that convention has been forgotten, it can sound fresh and new nowadays).
>
> The big question it posed for me was: Do I add Hamilton to the wiki? He's not really a "poet", since he seems to have just dabbled in it; but it's a revelation to know he wrote poetry at all. So what I've done is just copy in the Wikipedia article, adding the above link and another link to the AHA Society; that's a start, I guess.

I think Hamilton should be added...

> > > I always wondered about Pope's final line:
> > >
> > > "O Death! where is thy sting?"
> > >
> > > Was he *hoping* for a sting? Or gloating that there doesn't seem to be one?
> >
> >
> >
> > http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/15-55.htm
> >
> > I believe that Pope was just quoting 1 Corinthians 15:55, and since he was himself a believing Roman Catholic, I'd imagine he was just expressing his joy that, because of Jesus' atonement for all mankind's sins, he had no reason to fear death.

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Zod wrote:

> On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 3:18:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On Friday, February 19, 2016 at 2:41:45 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > Earl Browder wrote:
>> > > Willie wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > Maybe instead of labeling those poets as Metaphysical or not, we should label them as Liberal (Jeffersonian) vs. Conservative (Hamiltonian).
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > http://the-aha-society.com/index.php/publications/articles/87-aha-society-articles/179-poetry-of-alexander-hamilton
>> > > >
>> > > > And equal time for some Hamiltonian poetry:
>> > > >
>> > > > The Soul ascending into Bliss, In humble imitation of
>> > > > Popes Dying Christian to his Soul
>> > > >
>> > > > AH! whither, whither, am I flown,
>> > > > A wandering guest in worlds unknown?
>> > > > What is that I see and hear?
>> > > > What heav'nly music fills mine ear?
>> > > > Etherial glories shine around;
>> > > > More than Arabias sweets abound.
>> > > >
>> > > > Hark! hark! a voice from yonder sky,
>> > > > Methinks I hear my Saviour cry,
>> > > > Come gentle spirit come away,
>> > > > Come to thy Lord without delay;
>> > > > For thee the gates of bliss unbar'd
>> > > > Thy constant virtue to reward.
>> > > >
>> > > > I come oh Lord! I mount, I fly,
>> > > > On rapid wings I cleave the sky;
>> > > > Stretch out thine arm and aid my flight;
>> > > > For oh! I long to gain that height,
>> > > > Where all celestial beings sing
>> > > > Eternal praises to their King.
>> > > >
>> > > > O Lamb of God! thrice gracious Lord
>> > > > Now, now I feel how true thy word;
>> > > > Translated to this happy place,
>> > > > This blessed vision of thy face;
>> > > > My soul shall all thy steps attend
>> > > > In songs of triumph without end.
>> > >
>> > > Well, based on these two, I'd label Hamilton the better poet.
>> I agree with Michael that it stays too much inside the convention of Christian poetry for those days (though I'd add, because that convention has been forgotten, it can sound fresh and new nowadays).
>>
>> The big question it posed for me was: Do I add Hamilton to the wiki? He's not really a "poet", since he seems to have just dabbled in it; but it's a revelation to know he wrote poetry at all. So what I've done is just copy in the Wikipedia article, adding the above link and another link to the AHA Society; that's a start, I guess.

> I think Hamilton should be added...

>> > > I always wondered about Pope's final line:
>> > >
>> > > "O Death! where is thy sting?"
>> > >
>> > > Was he *hoping* for a sting? Or gloating that there doesn't seem to be one?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/15-55.htm
>> >
>> > I believe that Pope was just quoting 1 Corinthians 15:55, and since he was himself a believing Roman Catholic, I'd imagine he was just expressing his joy that, because of Jesus' atonement for all mankind's sins, he had no reason to fear death.

> ....

Definitely.