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by: Zod - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 00:38 UTC

On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
> >
> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> > Take off your mask
> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> > Distrain mean leadership
> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> > A terrorism of bullshit
> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> > Now I am pious to careerism
> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> > His well born beacon
> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> > An opera star of lard
> > Harried disquiet
> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> >
> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> > copyright 2021
> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
>
> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.

Agreed and seconded....

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by: W-Dockery - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 13:14 UTC

Zod wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
>> >
>> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
>> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
>> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
>> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
>> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
>> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
>> > Take off your mask
>> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
>> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
>> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
>> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
>> > Distrain mean leadership
>> > Necks thick as a celery stick
>> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
>> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
>> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
>> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
>> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
>> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
>> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
>> > A terrorism of bullshit
>> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
>> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
>> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
>> > Now I am pious to careerism
>> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
>> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
>> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
>> > His well born beacon
>> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
>> > An opera star of lard
>> > Harried disquiet
>> > Of the ambiguous weaver
>> >
>> > Wenceslas Kabeba
>> > copyright 2021
>> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
>>
>> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.

> Agreed and seconded....

Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.

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by: Michael Pendragon - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 16:58 UTC

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
> >> >
> >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> >> > Take off your mask
> >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> >> > Distrain mean leadership
> >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> >> > His well born beacon
> >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> >> > An opera star of lard
> >> > Harried disquiet
> >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> >> >
> >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> >> > copyright 2021
> >> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
> >>
> >> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.
>
> > Agreed and seconded....
> Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.

How does it remind you of Ferlinghetti, Donkey?

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by: Will Dockery - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 17:46 UTC

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:58:37 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Zod wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> > >> > Take off your mask
> > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> > >> > Distrain mean leadership
> > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> > >> > His well born beacon
> > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> > >> > An opera star of lard
> > >> > Harried disquiet
> > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> > >> >
> > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> > >> > copyright 2021
> > >> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
> > >>
> > >> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.
> >
> > > Agreed and seconded....
> > Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.
> How does it remind you of Ferlinghetti

The style and the language.

For a quick example:

https://www.lyrikline.org/en/poems/coney-island-mind-1-2727

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by: Michael Pendragon - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 19:03 UTC

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:46:02 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:58:37 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Zod wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> > > >> > Take off your mask
> > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
> > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> > > >> > His well born beacon
> > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> > > >> > An opera star of lard
> > > >> > Harried disquiet
> > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> > > >> > copyright 2021
> > > >> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
> > > >>
> > > >> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.
> > >
> > > > Agreed and seconded....
> > > Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.
> > How does it remind you of Ferlinghetti
> The style and the language.
>
> For a quick example:
>
> https://www.lyrikline.org/en/poems/coney-island-mind-1-2727

Stylistically, they're not even remotely alike. Ferlinghetti's poem is written in a clear, almost matter-or-fact style. Kabeba's, otoh, is overwritten to the extent that it becomes virtually incomprehensible.

However, if by "language," you mean that both are written in English, I'm willing to grant you that. (Of course, by the same logic, every English language poem would remind of Ferlinghetti.)

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by: W-Dockery - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 20:07 UTC

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:46:02 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:58:37 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > Zod wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > >> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
>> > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
>> > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
>> > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
>> > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
>> > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
>> > > >> > Take off your mask
>> > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
>> > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
>> > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
>> > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
>> > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
>> > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
>> > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
>> > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
>> > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
>> > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
>> > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
>> > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
>> > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
>> > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
>> > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
>> > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
>> > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
>> > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
>> > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
>> > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
>> > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
>> > > >> > His well born beacon
>> > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
>> > > >> > An opera star of lard
>> > > >> > Harried disquiet
>> > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
>> > > >> > copyright 2021
>> > > >> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.
>> > >
>> > > > Agreed and seconded....
>> > > Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.
>> > How does it remind you of Ferlinghetti
>> The style and the language.
>>
>> For a quick example:
>>
>> https://www.lyrikline.org/en/poems/coney-island-mind-1-2727

> Stylistically, they're not even remotely alike. Ferlinghetti's poem is written in a clear, almost matter-or-fact style

I'm surprised you've even read any Ferlinghetti, Pendragon.

I'm not surprised that you pretend not to see the similarities between the two poems.

HTH and HAND.

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by: General-Zod - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 20:52 UTC

W-Dockery wrote:

> Michael Pendragon wrote:

>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 12:46:02 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:58:37 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > > Zod wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > > >> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
>>> > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
>>> > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
>>> > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
>>> > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
>>> > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
>>> > > >> > Take off your mask
>>> > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
>>> > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
>>> > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
>>> > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
>>> > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
>>> > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
>>> > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
>>> > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
>>> > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
>>> > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
>>> > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
>>> > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
>>> > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
>>> > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
>>> > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
>>> > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
>>> > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
>>> > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
>>> > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
>>> > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
>>> > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
>>> > > >> > His well born beacon
>>> > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
>>> > > >> > An opera star of lard
>>> > > >> > Harried disquiet
>>> > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
>>> > > >> >
>>> > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
>>> > > >> > copyright 2021
>>> > > >> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
>>> > > >>
>>> > > >> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.
>>> > >
>>> > > > Agreed and seconded....
>>> > > Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.
>>> > How does it remind you of Ferlinghetti
>>> The style and the language.
>>>
>>> For a quick example:
>>>
>>> https://www.lyrikline.org/en/poems/coney-island-mind-1-2727

>> Stylistically, they're not even remotely alike. Ferlinghetti's poem is written in a clear, almost matter-or-fact style

> I'm surprised you've even read any Ferlinghetti, Pendragon.

> I'm not surprised that you pretend not to see the similarities between the two poems.

> HTH and HAND.

The style reminds me more of Ginsberg's mid-1960s poems, such as Allen Ginsberg's "Wichita Vortex Sutra"...

https://chriscander.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Allen-Ginsberg-Wichita-Vortex-Sutra.pdf

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by: Zod - Wed, 30 Nov 2022 21:04 UTC

Corso and mid period Ginsberg as well...

Examples if needed.....

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by: Michael Pendragon - Thu, 1 Dec 2022 02:21 UTC

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:04:49 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Zod wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> > >> > Take off your mask
> > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> > >> > Distrain mean leadership
> > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> > >> > His well born beacon
> > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> > >> > An opera star of lard
> > >> > Harried disquiet
> > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> > >> >
> > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> > >> > copyright 2021
> > >> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
> > >>
> > >> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.
> >
> > > Agreed and seconded....
> > Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.
> Corso and mid period Ginsberg as well...
>
> Examples if needed.....

Ginsberg somewhat. Corso, no.

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by: W-Dockery - Thu, 1 Dec 2022 03:44 UTC

Zod wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
>> >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
>> >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
>> >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
>> >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
>> >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
>> >> > Take off your mask
>> >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
>> >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
>> >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
>> >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
>> >> > Distrain mean leadership
>> >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
>> >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
>> >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
>> >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
>> >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
>> >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
>> >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
>> >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
>> >> > A terrorism of bullshit
>> >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
>> >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
>> >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
>> >> > Now I am pious to careerism
>> >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
>> >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
>> >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
>> >> > His well born beacon
>> >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
>> >> > An opera star of lard
>> >> > Harried disquiet
>> >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
>> >> >
>> >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
>> >> > copyright 2021
>> >> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
>> >>
>> >> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.
>>
>> > Agreed and seconded....
>> Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.

> Corso and mid period Ginsberg as well...

> Examples if needed.....

Certainly Gregory Corso's "Bomb", for starters:

https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html

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by: Will Dockery - Thu, 1 Dec 2022 04:06 UTC

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:21:52 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:04:49 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Zod wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> > > >> > Take off your mask
> > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
> > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> > > >> > His well born beacon
> > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> > > >> > An opera star of lard
> > > >> > Harried disquiet
> > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> > > >> > copyright 2021
> > > >> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
> > > >>
> > > >> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.
> > >
> > > > Agreed and seconded....
> > > Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.
> > Corso and mid period Ginsberg as well...
> >
> > Examples if needed.....
> Ginsberg somewhat. Corso, no.

Have you really need any of Gregory Corso's poetry?

Poems such as "Bomb" are very close to the style used by W.K.

https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html

HTH and HAND.

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by: Michael Pendragon - Thu, 1 Dec 2022 05:00 UTC

On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:06:02 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:21:52 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:04:49 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Zod wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> > > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> > > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> > > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> > > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> > > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> > > > >> > Take off your mask
> > > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> > > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> > > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> > > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> > > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
> > > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> > > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> > > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> > > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> > > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> > > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> > > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> > > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> > > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> > > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> > > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> > > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> > > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> > > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> > > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> > > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> > > > >> > His well born beacon
> > > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> > > > >> > An opera star of lard
> > > > >> > Harried disquiet
> > > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> > > > >> > copyright 2021
> > > > >> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.
> > > >
> > > > > Agreed and seconded....
> > > > Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.
> > > Corso and mid period Ginsberg as well...
> > >
> > > Examples if needed.....
> > Ginsberg somewhat. Corso, no.
> Have you really need any of Gregory Corso's poetry?
>
> Poems such as "Bomb" are very close to the style used by W.K.
>
> https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html

They're nothing alike.

Corso's poem is more or less straightforward (not to mention formatted in the shape of a nuclear explosion). Kabeba's poem is overwritten to such a point that the words become meaningless and surreal.

You don't understand the first thing about poetry, Donkey. Not even the poetry of your beloved Beats.

General Stink knows far more about poetry than you, and correctly noted the similarity to Ginsberg.

You appear to just be name-dropping in yet another attempt at feigning literacy.

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Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:06:02 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:21:52 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:04:49 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > Zod wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > >> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
>> > > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
>> > > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
>> > > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
>> > > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
>> > > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
>> > > > >> > Take off your mask
>> > > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
>> > > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
>> > > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
>> > > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
>> > > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
>> > > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
>> > > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
>> > > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
>> > > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
>> > > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
>> > > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
>> > > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
>> > > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
>> > > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
>> > > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
>> > > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
>> > > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
>> > > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
>> > > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
>> > > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
>> > > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
>> > > > >> > His well born beacon
>> > > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
>> > > > >> > An opera star of lard
>> > > > >> > Harried disquiet
>> > > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
>> > > > >> > copyright 2021
>> > > > >> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.
>> > > >
>> > > > > Agreed and seconded....
>> > > > Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.
>> > > Corso and mid period Ginsberg as well...
>> > >
>> > > Examples if needed.....
>> > Ginsberg somewhat. Corso, no.
>> Have you really need any of Gregory Corso's poetry?
>>
>> Poems such as "Bomb" are very close to the style used by W.K.
>>
>> https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html

> They're nothing alike

Wrong, there are similarities.

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by: Michael Pendragon - Thu, 1 Dec 2022 15:10 UTC

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 8:42:35 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:06:02 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:21:52 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:04:49 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> >> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > Zod wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > >> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> >> > > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> >> > > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> >> > > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> >> > > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> >> > > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> >> > > > >> > Take off your mask
> >> > > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> >> > > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> >> > > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> >> > > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> >> > > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
> >> > > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> >> > > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> >> > > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> >> > > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> >> > > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> >> > > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> >> > > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> >> > > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> >> > > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> >> > > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> >> > > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> >> > > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> >> > > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> >> > > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> >> > > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> >> > > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> >> > > > >> > His well born beacon
> >> > > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> >> > > > >> > An opera star of lard
> >> > > > >> > Harried disquiet
> >> > > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> >> > > > >> > copyright 2021
> >> > > > >> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > Agreed and seconded....
> >> > > > Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.
> >> > > Corso and mid period Ginsberg as well...
> >> > >
> >> > > Examples if needed.....
> >> > Ginsberg somewhat. Corso, no.
> >> Have you really need any of Gregory Corso's poetry?
> >>
> >> Poems such as "Bomb" are very close to the style used by W.K.
> >>
> >> https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html
>
> > They're nothing alike
> Wrong, there are similarities.

Explain yourself, Donkey.

Point the supposed similarities out.

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by: W.Dockery - Thu, 1 Dec 2022 16:37 UTC

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 8:42:35 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:06:02 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:21:52 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:04:49 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> >> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> > > > Zod wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> > > > >> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
>> >> > > > >> >
>> >> > > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
>> >> > > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
>> >> > > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
>> >> > > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
>> >> > > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
>> >> > > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
>> >> > > > >> > Take off your mask
>> >> > > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
>> >> > > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
>> >> > > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
>> >> > > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
>> >> > > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
>> >> > > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
>> >> > > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
>> >> > > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
>> >> > > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
>> >> > > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
>> >> > > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
>> >> > > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
>> >> > > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
>> >> > > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
>> >> > > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
>> >> > > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
>> >> > > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
>> >> > > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
>> >> > > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
>> >> > > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
>> >> > > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
>> >> > > > >> > His well born beacon
>> >> > > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
>> >> > > > >> > An opera star of lard
>> >> > > > >> > Harried disquiet
>> >> > > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
>> >> > > > >> >
>> >> > > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
>> >> > > > >> > copyright 2021
>> >> > > > >> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
>> >> > > > >>
>> >> > > > >> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > Agreed and seconded....
>> >> > > > Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.
>> >> > > Corso and mid period Ginsberg as well...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Examples if needed.....
>> >> > Ginsberg somewhat. Corso, no.
>> >> Have you really need any of Gregory Corso's poetry?
>> >>
>> >> Poems such as "Bomb" are very close to the style used by W.K.
>> >>
>> >> https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html
>>
>> > They're nothing alike
>> Wrong, there are similarities.

> Explain

There's a similar "breathless" style which was actually pioneered by Jack Kerouac and used in various ways by many of the Beat poets.

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by: Will Dockery - Thu, 1 Dec 2022 17:18 UTC

Agreed.

> Examples if needed.....

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by: Zod - Thu, 1 Dec 2022 21:31 UTC

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:00:20 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
> > Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
>
> > > > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> > > > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> > > > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> > > > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> > > > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> > > > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> > > > > >> > Take off your mask
> > > > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> > > > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> > > > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> > > > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> > > > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
> > > > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> > > > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> > > > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> > > > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> > > > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> > > > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> > > > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> > > > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> > > > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> > > > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> > > > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> > > > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> > > > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> > > > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> > > > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> > > > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> > > > > >> > His well born beacon
> > > > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> > > > > >> > An opera star of lard
> > > > > >> > Harried disquiet
> > > > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> > > > > >> > copyright 2021
>
> > > > > Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.
>
> > > > Corso and mid period Ginsberg as well:
>
> > https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html
>
>
> [[Zod]] knows far more about poetry than you, and correctly noted the similarity to Ginsberg.

I thank...

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by: Zod - Thu, 1 Dec 2022 22:12 UTC

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 4:52:55 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
>
> >> >> > > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> >> >> > > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> >> >> > > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> >> >> > > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> >> >> > > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> >> >> > > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> >> >> > > > >> > Take off your mask
> >> >> > > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> >> >> > > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> >> >> > > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> >> >> > > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> >> >> > > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
> >> >> > > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> >> >> > > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> >> >> > > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> >> >> > > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> >> >> > > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> >> >> > > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> >> >> > > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> >> >> > > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> >> >> > > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> >> >> > > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> >> >> > > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> >> >> > > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> >> >> > > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> >> >> > > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> >> >> > > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> >> >> > > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> >> >> > > > >> > His well born beacon
> >> >> > > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> >> >> > > > >> > An opera star of lard
> >> >> > > > >> > Harried disquiet
> >> >> > > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> >> >> > > > >> >
> >> >> > > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> >> >> > > > >> > copyright 2021
>
> >> >> Poems such as "Bomb" are very close to the style used by W.K.
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html
> >>
> >> > They're nothing alike
> >> Wrong, there are similarities.
>
> > Explain
> There's a similar "breathless" style which was actually pioneered by Jack Kerouac and used in various ways by many of the Beat poets.

Quite true there is the similarity and J. Kerouac was the first to use that rushing style and delivery....

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Zod wrote:

> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 4:52:55 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
>>
>> >> >> > > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
>> >> >> > > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
>> >> >> > > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
>> >> >> > > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
>> >> >> > > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
>> >> >> > > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
>> >> >> > > > >> > Take off your mask
>> >> >> > > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
>> >> >> > > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
>> >> >> > > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
>> >> >> > > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
>> >> >> > > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
>> >> >> > > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
>> >> >> > > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
>> >> >> > > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
>> >> >> > > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
>> >> >> > > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
>> >> >> > > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
>> >> >> > > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
>> >> >> > > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
>> >> >> > > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
>> >> >> > > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
>> >> >> > > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
>> >> >> > > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
>> >> >> > > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
>> >> >> > > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
>> >> >> > > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
>> >> >> > > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
>> >> >> > > > >> > His well born beacon
>> >> >> > > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
>> >> >> > > > >> > An opera star of lard
>> >> >> > > > >> > Harried disquiet
>> >> >> > > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
>> >> >> > > > >> >
>> >> >> > > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
>> >> >> > > > >> > copyright 2021
>>
>> >> >> Poems such as "Bomb" are very close to the style used by W.K.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html
>> >>
>> >> > They're nothing alike
>> >> Wrong, there are similarities.
>>
>> > Explain
>> There's a similar "breathless" style which was actually pioneered by Jack Kerouac and used in various ways by many of the Beat poets.

> Quite true there is the similarity and J. Kerouac was the first to use that rushing style and delivery....

Exactly.

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by: Michael Pendragon - Fri, 2 Dec 2022 23:00 UTC

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 4:52:55 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 8:42:35 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:06:02 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 9:21:52 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 4:04:49 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> >> >> > > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> > > > Zod wrote:
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > > On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:58:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> > > > >> On Tuesday, April 27, 2021 at 12:24:08 PM UTC-4, Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
> >> >> > > > >> >
> >> >> > > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> >> >> > > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> >> >> > > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> >> >> > > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> >> >> > > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> >> >> > > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> >> >> > > > >> > Take off your mask
> >> >> > > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> >> >> > > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> >> >> > > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> >> >> > > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> >> >> > > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
> >> >> > > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> >> >> > > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> >> >> > > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> >> >> > > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> >> >> > > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> >> >> > > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> >> >> > > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> >> >> > > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> >> >> > > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> >> >> > > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> >> >> > > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> >> >> > > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> >> >> > > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> >> >> > > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> >> >> > > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> >> >> > > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> >> >> > > > >> > His well born beacon
> >> >> > > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> >> >> > > > >> > An opera star of lard
> >> >> > > > >> > Harried disquiet
> >> >> > > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> >> >> > > > >> >
> >> >> > > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> >> >> > > > >> > copyright 2021
> >> >> > > > >> Good to see you back, King Wenceslas.
> >> >> > > > >>
> >> >> > > > >> It will take me a while to interpret your poem, but reads well so far.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > > Agreed and seconded....
> >> >> > > > Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.
> >> >> > > Corso and mid period Ginsberg as well...
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > Examples if needed.....
> >> >> > Ginsberg somewhat. Corso, no.
> >> >> Have you really need any of Gregory Corso's poetry?
> >> >>
> >> >> Poems such as "Bomb" are very close to the style used by W.K.
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html
> >>
> >> > They're nothing alike
> >> Wrong, there are similarities.
>
> > Explain
> There's a similar "breathless" style which was actually pioneered by Jack Kerouac and used in various ways by many of the Beat poets.

What do you find "rushed," in terms of style, tone, or anything else, about Kabeba's poem?

I get the impression that it was written slowly, by a man seeking out unusual synonyms to use for every other word.

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Zod wrote:

> Quite true there is the similarity and J. Kerouac was the first to use that rushing style and delivery....

Yes, a cascade of words most of the Beat poets employed.

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by: Will Dockery - Sat, 3 Dec 2022 03:54 UTC

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 5:12:58 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 4:52:55 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
> >
> > >> >> > > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> > >> >> > > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> > >> >> > > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> > >> >> > > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> > >> >> > > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> > >> >> > > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> > >> >> > > > >> > Take off your mask
> > >> >> > > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> > >> >> > > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> > >> >> > > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> > >> >> > > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> > >> >> > > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
> > >> >> > > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> > >> >> > > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> > >> >> > > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> > >> >> > > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> > >> >> > > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> > >> >> > > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> > >> >> > > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> > >> >> > > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> > >> >> > > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> > >> >> > > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> > >> >> > > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> > >> >> > > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> > >> >> > > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> > >> >> > > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> > >> >> > > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> > >> >> > > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> > >> >> > > > >> > His well born beacon
> > >> >> > > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> > >> >> > > > >> > An opera star of lard
> > >> >> > > > >> > Harried disquiet
> > >> >> > > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> > >> >> > > > >> >
> > >> >> > > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> > >> >> > > > >> > copyright 2021
> >
> > >> >> Poems such as "Bomb" are very close to the style used by W.K.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html
> > >>
> > >> > They're nothing alike
> > >> Wrong, there are similarities.
> >
> > > Explain
> > There's a similar "breathless" style which was actually pioneered by Jack Kerouac and used in various ways by many of the Beat poets.
> Quite true there is the similarity and J. Kerouac was the first to use that rushing style and delivery....

True, as Robert's friend can confirm.

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by: Michael Pendragon - Sat, 3 Dec 2022 04:24 UTC

On Friday, December 2, 2022 at 10:54:30 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 5:12:58 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 4:52:55 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
> > >
> > > >> >> > > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Take off your mask
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> > > >> >> > > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> > > >> >> > > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> > > >> >> > > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> > > >> >> > > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> > > >> >> > > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> > > >> >> > > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> > > >> >> > > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> > > >> >> > > > >> > His well born beacon
> > > >> >> > > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> > > >> >> > > > >> > An opera star of lard
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Harried disquiet
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> > > >> >> > > > >> >
> > > >> >> > > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> > > >> >> > > > >> > copyright 2021
> > >
> > > >> >> Poems such as "Bomb" are very close to the style used by W.K.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html
> > > >>
> > > >> > They're nothing alike
> > > >> Wrong, there are similarities.
> > >
> > > > Explain
> > > There's a similar "breathless" style which was actually pioneered by Jack Kerouac and used in various ways by many of the Beat poets.
> > Quite true there is the similarity and J. Kerouac was the first to use that rushing style and delivery....
> True, as Robert's friend can confirm.

Robert's friend is, to the best of my knowledge, not an expert on Mr. Kabeba's poetry.

I've asked you to point out, and explain, how any lines in Mr. Kabeba's poem have a "breathless" feel to them.

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On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 3:32:09 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 4:52:55 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
> >>
> >> >> >> > > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Take off your mask
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> >> >> >> > > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> >> >> >> > > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> >> >> >> > > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> >> >> >> > > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> >> >> >> > > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> >> >> >> > > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> >> >> >> > > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> >> >> >> > > > >> > His well born beacon
> >> >> >> > > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> >> >> >> > > > >> > An opera star of lard
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Harried disquiet
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> >> >> >> > > > >> >
> >> >> >> > > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> >> >> >> > > > >> > copyright 2021
> >>
> >> >> >> Poems such as "Bomb" are very close to the style used by W.K.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html
> >> >>
> >> >> > They're nothing alike
> >> >> Wrong, there are similarities.
> >>
> >> > Explain
> >> There's a similar "breathless" style which was actually pioneered by Jack Kerouac and used in various ways by many of the Beat poets.
>
> > Quite true there is the similarity and J. Kerouac was the first to use that rushing style and delivery....
> Yes, a cascade of words most of the Beat poets employed.

Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock
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Subject: Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
From: opb...@yahoo.com (Will Dockery)
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by: Will Dockery - Sat, 3 Dec 2022 09:53 UTC

On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 4:31:17 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 12:00:20 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Wenceslas Kabeba wrote:
> >
> > > > > > >> > The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell
> > > > > > >> > Fusty metropolitans, cranks and jokers
> > > > > > >> > Jiggered by fibrocystic breast disease
> > > > > > >> > Crosscut clouds of teargas in blue topaz Calcutta
> > > > > > >> > Salubrious hematomas in overexposed heroism incarnate
> > > > > > >> > Surfaces a ragged stilted formalism
> > > > > > >> > Take off your mask
> > > > > > >> > Is it murder or is it debunked intoxication
> > > > > > >> > Hence the cowards in their religious residences
> > > > > > >> > Dissipated Jainism, prosaic love-in-a-mist
> > > > > > >> > Tom Thumbs knee high to a grasshopper
> > > > > > >> > Distrain mean leadership
> > > > > > >> > Necks thick as a celery stick
> > > > > > >> > Enjoying spatchcocked Muslims for their picnics
> > > > > > >> > Compromised hacked puttering figurations
> > > > > > >> > He was a government agent for the Department of Health, Education and Welfare
> > > > > > >> > A full bodied isometric gnostic by trade
> > > > > > >> > Excavating the crosshatched neoliths
> > > > > > >> > Buttresses, posts and lintels
> > > > > > >> > Hairsplittings of a Mancunian snuffler
> > > > > > >> > A terrorism of bullshit
> > > > > > >> > Pyrrhic and masochistic
> > > > > > >> > More gazump per square foot than Trump University
> > > > > > >> > Long ago I was fluent in Sindhi
> > > > > > >> > Now I am pious to careerism
> > > > > > >> > A jacked programmer with a massive line of credit
> > > > > > >> > The Secretary of Education at the Circuit Court of Appeals
> > > > > > >> > I have forsaken the old man, the bearded one
> > > > > > >> > His well born beacon
> > > > > > >> > And engaging manner inspiring aspersion
> > > > > > >> > An opera star of lard
> > > > > > >> > Harried disquiet
> > > > > > >> > Of the ambiguous weaver
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Wenceslas Kabeba
> > > > > > >> > copyright 2021
> >
> > > > > > Good morning, the writing reminds me of Lawrence Ferlinghetti a bit.
> >
> > > > > Corso and mid period Ginsberg as well:
> >
> > > https://www.litkicks.com/Texts/Bomb.html
> >
> >
> > [[Zod]] knows far more about poetry than you, and correctly noted the similarity to Ginsberg.
>
> I thank...

Kudos, Zod.

🙂

The questions remain the same. The answers are eternally variable.

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Subject	Author
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Zod
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	W-Dockery
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Michael Pendragon
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Will Dockery
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Michael Pendragon
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	W-Dockery
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	General-Zod
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Zod
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Michael Pendragon
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Will Dockery
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Michael Pendragon
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	W-Dockery
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Michael Pendragon
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	W.Dockery
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Zod
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	W-Dockery
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	W-Dockery
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Robert Burrows
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Will Dockery
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Michael Pendragon
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Michael Pendragon
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Zod
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Will Dockery
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	W-Dockery
Re: The freemen ruined the terrorists when impure buildings fell	Will Dockery