Another essay, but once again on topic.

I had a friend named Gil who grew up in Oklahoma. He said that people there kept soldering the intellectuals.

I ask this: How many intellectuals are there in Oklahoma? Do these people even know, or have read, any intellectuals? So how can they be attacking these people when they know nothing about them?

There are also people on Far Right who want to fight for the Western culture. Once again, what do these people know about culture? Have they made up a song? Authored a painting? Written a book?

I know a number of genuine artists and intellectuals, and I’ve been impressed with what I have seen. I do see arrogance among them; however I see arrogance everywhere. There are many doctors, businessmen, engineers, military people and construction workers who think that they are better than everyone else. There are arrogant artists and intellectuals. However they don’t own arrogance.

As for myself, I’ve been arrogant at some points in my life and not arrogant at others. There are many things that are regarded as arrogance that are not. Students who take school seriously are thought to be arrogant. No, they rightfully value learning. Women who want to be loved are thought to be arrogant. No, they want to be appreciated for the vast effort that they put in into being their best. By some people’s definition of arrogance, we owe to arrogance everything that we have. This is the case with science and business; this is also the case with democracy.

I once heard a professor say that there is good arrogance, which he defined as belief that people can figure things out, and bad arrogance, which he defined as oppression. By that standard probably the worst form of arrogance in history was practiced by Spanish colonialists, who destroyed the magnificent Incan, Moore and Aztec civilizations without contributing anything much to mankind. Whereas the best form of arrogance was practiced by the Jews and the Americans, who did vast things to advance science and business without engaging in brutality at anywhere near the level of the Spanish, the English, the Nazis or the Communists.

Why do people in Oklahoma keep attacking the intellectuals? Probably because they don’t have any intellectuals among them to confront them about it. They don’t hear it from the other side, so they get strong in their bigotry on the subject. I would confront them about it. I would tell them that Thomas Jefferson and Ben Franklin were both intellectuals, and that they owe to these intellectuals the conditions that they have.

I am not against people of Oklahoma. I am however against bigotry, and this is what we see here. These people know nothing about the intellectuals, and them attacking the intellectuals is wrong. As for the people who claim that they are protecting the Western culture, they need to learn more about the Western culture. They can start by reading works that were formative to the Western culture and acquainting themselves with the actual culture that they are claiming to protect.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 2:48:38 AM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> Another essay, but once again on topic.

Your justification is not self evident, please explain yourself.

> I ask this: How many intellectuals are there in Oklahoma?

And I ask: how is this on topic for this group of poetry commentary?

> practiced by Spanish colonialists, who destroyed the magnificent Incan, Moore and Aztec civilizations

Moore civilization? Are you speaking of the Mayan civilization?

> without contributing anything much to mankind.

You don't say...

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:43:05 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 2:48:38 AM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
>
> > Another essay, but once again on topic.
> Your justification is not self evident

Ilya is obviously referring to arrogant self-proclaimed "intellectual" types, of which this group has had a few over the years.

HTH and HAND.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 4:51:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:43:05 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 2:48:38 AM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> >
> > > Another essay, but once again on topic.
> > Your justification is not self evident
> Ilya is obviously referring to arrogant self-proclaimed "intellectual" types, of which this group has had a few over the years.
>
> HTH and HAND.

He needs to say it then... clearly. And you need to learn to read.
You really need to understand the summation of his essay:
"I am not against people of Oklahoma. I am however against bigotry, and this is what we see here. These people know nothing about the intellectuals, and them attacking the intellectuals is wrong."

Look at this gem:

"By that standard probably the worst form of arrogance in history was practiced by Spanish colonialists, who destroyed the magnificent Incan, Moore and Aztec civilizations without contributing anything much to mankind. Whereas the best form of arrogance was practiced by the Jews and the Americans, who did vast things to advance science and business without engaging in brutality at anywhere near the level of the Spanish, the English, the Nazis or the Communists."

He speaks of what Spanish colonist did to aboriginal Americans but is ignorant of what American (of the what became the US) colonists did to them.
Does he not realize that a majority of the original colonists of the 13 British/American colonies were British/English?
I guess since the American (US) First Nations had no "civilizations" that he knew of, they don't count.
US President Andrew Jackson ordered the "Trail of Tears" to be carried out.
By 1900, the indigenous population in the Americas declined by more than 80%, and by as much as 98% in some areas. The effects of diseases such as smallpox, measles and cholera during the first century of colonialism contributed greatly to the death toll, while violence, displacement and warfare against the Indians by colonizers contributed to the death toll in subsequent centuries.[38] As detailed in American Philosophy: From Wounded Knee to the Present (2015),

It is also apparent that the shared history of the hemisphere is one which is framed by the dual tragedies of genocide and slavery, both of which are part of the legacy of the European invasions of the past 500 years. Indigenous people both north and south were displaced, died of disease, and were killed by Europeans through slavery, rape, and war. In 1491, about 145 million people lived in the western hemisphere. By 1691, the population of indigenous Americans had declined by 90–95 percent, or by around 130 million people.[39]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples#Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas_(pre-1948)

Does he even know anything about the First Nations of which upon their bones the US built upon? He should at least read "Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee" and perhaps his eyes will be opened. While he was here, he probably enjoyed the entitled life of a White Man probably even living on land stolen from the First Nations.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 4:51:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:43:05 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 2:48:38 AM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
>
> > > > Another essay, but once again on topic.
> > > Your justification is not self evident
> > Ilya is obviously referring to arrogant self-proclaimed "intellectual" types, of which this group has had a few over the years.
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> He needs to say it then

Not really.

Ilya is free to write as he pleases here.

HTH and HAND.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:10:50 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 4:51:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:43:05 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 2:48:38 AM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> >
> > > > > Another essay, but once again on topic.
> > > > Your justification is not self evident
> > > Ilya is obviously referring to arrogant self-proclaimed "intellectual" types, of which this group has had a few over the years.
> > >
> > > HTH and HAND.
> > He needs to say it then
> Not really.
>
> Ilya is free to write as he pleases here.

That's a stupid statement -- even for you. And illuminating glimpse into how you became such a Donkey.

A writer is not free to write as he pleases.

A writer has to learn how to communicate his ideas as clearly as possible.

Writing is a *skill.* It requires a large vocabulary and mastery of grammar. It also requires an understanding of how to compose a narrative or, in Ilya's case, an argument.

Ilya's arguments are not well thought out. They begin with a thesis, but they consistently fail to support it. Rather they branch off onto marginally related tangents -- and usually end up condemning the evil Third Wave Feminists, and the nasty women who bullied all of his past girlfriends for being beautiful.

If Ilya wants his essays to enlighten people on various topics, he needs to learn how to supports his theses with documented facts, relevant observations, and logical conclusions.

You've spent the last 45 years writing just as you please, and you're writing is as fraught with grammatical error, misused words, and as unintelligible as it was when you began.

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 8:45:47 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
>
> "Ilya is free to write as he pleases here."
>
> Dockery
>
> Interesting, I assume we all can --

Don't you, Senetto?

(Moved from the troll thread.)

On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:10:50 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 4:51:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:43:05 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 2:48:38 AM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> >
> > > > > Another essay, but once again on topic.
> > > > Your justification is not self evident
> > > Ilya is obviously referring to arrogant self-proclaimed "intellectual" types, of which this group has had a few over the years.
> > >
> > > HTH and HAND.
> > He needs to say it then
> Not really.
>
> Ilya is free to write as he pleases here.

And Ilya is free to receive what he provokes with his writing. Trust me, only those that think like him would appreciate this and he would so get ridiculed and blasted if he presented this to professionals or the people he that he stereotypes or may know better than him.

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 11:39:21 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> > "Ilya is free to write as he pleases here."
> >
>
> If you're going by # Will Dockery's decree, you're not free to write as you please

Stop lying, Ash.

Obviously, everyone here writes what they please

HTH and HAND.

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:03:08 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:10:50 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 4:51:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:43:05 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 2:48:38 AM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > Another essay, but once again on topic.
> > > > > Your justification is not self evident
> > > > Ilya is obviously referring to arrogant self-proclaimed "intellectual" types, of which this group has had a few over the years.
> > > >
> > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > He needs to say it then
> > Not really.
> >
> > Ilya is free to write as he pleases here.
> And Ilya is free to receive what he provokes with his writing

In other words, you will troll and harass Ilya about it

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:03:08 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:10:50 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 4:51:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:43:05 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 2:48:38 AM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > Another essay, but once again on topic.
> > > > > > Your justification is not self evident
> > > > > Ilya is obviously referring to arrogant self-proclaimed "intellectual" types, of which this group has had a few over the years.
> > > > >
> > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > > > He needs to say it then
> > > Not really.
> > >
> > > Ilya is free to write as he pleases here.
> > And Ilya is free to receive what he provokes with his writing
> In other words, you will troll and harass Ilya about it

If you must call anything other than blind kudos and nods, as just "trolling" and "whining," then who am I to stand in the way of your inane legacy-- there's no stopping that train wreck...
Funny how you won't ignore the slightest imagined slight against you, but I must sit silently and let Ilya insult me and mine as those "Feminists" that he likes stereotype and shame? Even your friend Jordy had criticized Ilya for his essays. And I have to agree with Jordy, Ilya's essays are poorly done and end up insulting or negatively provoking people.
Good thing you never got famous, you would had ended up like Anne Rice or Laurel K Hamilton and sicced your fans on innocent people for merely saying something you didn't approve of.

Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:03:08 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:10:50 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 4:51:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:43:05 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 2:48:38 AM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > Another essay, but once again on topic.
>> > > > > > Your justification is not self evident
>> > > > > Ilya is obviously referring to arrogant self-proclaimed "intellectual" types, of which this group has had a few over the years.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > HTH and HAND.
>> > > > He needs to say it then
>> > > Not really.
>> > >
>> > > Ilya is free to write as he pleases here.
>> > And Ilya is free to receive what he provokes with his writing
>> In other words, you will troll and harass Ilya about it

>
> Funny how you won't ignore the slightest imagined slight against you

I skip and ignore plenty of personal attack posts against me, my friends and family, Ash.

HTH and HAND.

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:00:16 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:03:08 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:10:50 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 4:51:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:43:05 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> > > > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 2:48:38 AM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > > > Another essay, but once again on topic.
> >> > > > > > Your justification is not self evident
> >> > > > > Ilya is obviously referring to arrogant self-proclaimed "intellectual" types, of which this group has had a few over the years.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > HTH and HAND.
> >> > > > He needs to say it then
> >> > > Not really.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ilya is free to write as he pleases here.
> >> > And Ilya is free to receive what he provokes with his writing
> >> In other words, you will troll and harass Ilya about it
>
> >
> > Funny how you won't ignore the slightest imagined slight against you
> I skip and ignore plenty of personal attack posts against me, my friends and family, Ash.

*looks at ALL the posts of you fighting with EVERYBODY (that's not your few supporters)*
Right.,..

Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:00:16 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
>> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:03:08 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >> > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:10:50 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >> > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 4:51:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> > > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:43:05 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >> > > > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 2:48:38 AM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > > > Another essay, but once again on topic.
>> >> > > > > > Your justification is not self evident
>> >> > > > > Ilya is obviously referring to arrogant self-proclaimed "intellectual" types, of which this group has had a few over the years.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > HTH and HAND.
>> >> > > > He needs to say it then
>> >> > > Not really.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Ilya is free to write as he pleases here.
>> >> > And Ilya is free to receive what he provokes with his writing
>> >> In other words, you will troll and harass Ilya about it
>>
>> >
>> > Funny how you won't ignore the slightest imagined slight against you
>> I skip and ignore plenty of personal attack posts against me, my friends and family, Ash.

> *looks at ALL the posts of you fighting with EVERYBODY (that's not your few supporters)*
> Right.,..

If you really looked, you'd see most of the troll posts I skip and ignore, Ash.

HTH and HAND.

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 6:41:23 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 1:00:16 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:34:56 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 12:03:08 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >> > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:10:50 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 6:09:27 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >> > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 4:51:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 10:43:05 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >> > > > > > On Monday, April 24, 2023 at 2:48:38 AM UTC-4, Ilya Shambat wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Another essay, but once again on topic.
> > >> > > > > > Your justification is not self evident
> > >> > > > > Ilya is obviously referring to arrogant self-proclaimed "intellectual" types, of which this group has had a few over the years.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > HTH and HAND.
> > >> > > > He needs to say it then
> > >> > > Not really.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ilya is free to write as he pleases here.
> > >> > And Ilya is free to receive what he provokes with his writing
> > >> In other words, you will troll and harass Ilya about it
> >
> > >
> > > Funny how you won't ignore the slightest imagined slight against you
> > I skip and ignore plenty of personal attack posts against me, my friends and family, Ash.
> *looks at ALL the posts of you fighting with EVERYBODY (that's not your few supporters)*
> Right.,..
Will Dockery is on every single thread except for the one which highlights the whereabouts of his jailbird son, Joey.

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 3:21:03 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>
> Will Dockery is on every single thread

No, you're lying again, NancyGene, but after all that's your only talent.

:)

On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 3:55:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 3:21:03 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> >
> > Will Dockery is on every single thread
> No, you're lying again, NancyGene, but after all that's your only talent.

Sure sounds like jealous from Willy, especially after people loved NG's barkeep poem while they didn't want to look at any of his...

On Friday, April 28, 2023 at 7:33:54 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 3:55:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 3:21:03 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >
> > > Will Dockery is on every single thread
> > No, you're lying again, NancyGene, but after all that's your only talent.
> Sure sounds like jealous from Willy,

Not a chance, Ash.

especially after people loved NG's barkeep poem while they didn't want to look at any of his...

On Saturday, April 29, 2023 at 12:33:54 AM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 3:55:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, April 25, 2023 at 3:21:03 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >
> > > Will Dockery is on every single thread
> > No, you're lying again, NancyGene, but after all that's your only talent.
> Sure sounds like jealous from Willy, especially after people loved NG's barkeep poem while they didn't want to look at any of his...
Thank you, Ash. We are delighted that you enjoyed our poem, which was not taken from real life, not lived, not suffered, and not plagiarized. For George Dance, it is called "imagination." It is not called "taking your bat and ball and going home."

NancyGene wrote:

>

> our poem, which was not taken from real life

"Try not to mistake the speaker or the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers