On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:10:25 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 4:03:07 PM UTC-4, K. Hematite wrote:
> > On Sunday, 6 August 2023 at 14:18:09 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > K, is that Peter Orlovsky driving across country with John Goodman in the back seat, or is this a generic Beat Generation guy?
> > Afraid that I'm not in any position to provide a definitive answer to that question. The character Johnny Five does, out of the blue, suddenly announce to the car passengers "Clean Asshole Poems--Orlovsky," although whether this constitutes a claim of authorship or is merely a reference is far from clear. Later, at a roadside restaurant, Johnny Five seems to be reading--from what looks to me like a manuscript, not a published book--the poem "My Bed Is Covered Yellow" by Orlovsky. That could suggest that he was indeed intended to be taken as some version of Orlovsky.
> >
> > On the other hand, Johnny Five does tell Llewyn Davis that he acted for a while, appearing in the early 1960s play "The Brig," but that the police closed the show. I can't find anything that connects Orlovsky to "The Brig," although he did act in several films. I checked out the original cast listing for "The Brig" and Orlovsky wasn't in it.
> >
> > So, I'd say that the Johnny Five character probably inhabits the range between Orlovsky himself and some more generic representation of a Beat Era poet. Tangentially, a year before "Inside Llewyn Davis," Garrett Hedlund, who played Johnny Five, had the part of Dean Moriarty in "On the Road."
> Ah... although I've seen that On The Road adaptation, I didn't recognize Garrett Hedlund plaed Dean Moriarty.
>
> Makes sense that like the fictional folkies in the film he represents a fictional Beat character.......
> > My Bed is Covered Yellow by Peter Orlovsky
> >
> > My bed is covered yellow - Oh Sun, I sit on you
> > Oh golden field I lay on you
> > Oh money I dream of you
> > More, More, cried the bed - talk to me more -
> > Oh bed that taked the weight of the world -
> > all the lost dreams laid on you
> > Oh bed that grows no hair, that cannot be fucked
> > or can be fucked
> > Oh bed crumbs of all ages spiled on you
> > Oh yellow bed march to the sun whear yr journey will be done
> > Oh 50 lbs. of bed that takes 400 more lbs-
> > how strong you are
> > Oh bed, only for man & not for animals
> > yellow bed when will the animals have equal rights?
> > Oh 4 legged bed off the floor forever built
> > Oh yellow bed all the news of the world
> > lay on you at one time or another
> >
> > 1957, Paris
> ..

I didn't realize it was the same actor from On The Road, either.

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:10:25 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 4:03:07 PM UTC-4, K. Hematite wrote:
>> > On Sunday, 6 August 2023 at 14:18:09 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >
>> > > K, is that Peter Orlovsky driving across country with John Goodman in the back seat, or is this a generic Beat Generation guy?
>> > Afraid that I'm not in any position to provide a definitive answer to that question. The character Johnny Five does, out of the blue, suddenly announce to the car passengers "Clean Asshole Poems--Orlovsky," although whether this constitutes a claim of authorship or is merely a reference is far from clear. Later, at a roadside restaurant, Johnny Five seems to be reading--from what looks to me like a manuscript, not a published book--the poem "My Bed Is Covered Yellow" by Orlovsky. That could suggest that he was indeed intended to be taken as some version of Orlovsky.
>> >
>> > On the other hand, Johnny Five does tell Llewyn Davis that he acted for a while, appearing in the early 1960s play "The Brig," but that the police closed the show. I can't find anything that connects Orlovsky to "The Brig," although he did act in several films. I checked out the original cast listing for "The Brig" and Orlovsky wasn't in it.
>> >
>> > So, I'd say that the Johnny Five character probably inhabits the range between Orlovsky himself and some more generic representation of a Beat Era poet. Tangentially, a year before "Inside Llewyn Davis," Garrett Hedlund, who played Johnny Five, had the part of Dean Moriarty in "On the Road."
>> Ah... although I've seen that On The Road adaptation, I didn't recognize Garrett Hedlund plaed Dean Moriarty.
>>
>> Makes sense that like the fictional folkies in the film he represents a fictional Beat character.......
>> > My Bed is Covered Yellow by Peter Orlovsky
>> >
>> > My bed is covered yellow - Oh Sun, I sit on you
>> > Oh golden field I lay on you
>> > Oh money I dream of you
>> > More, More, cried the bed - talk to me more -
>> > Oh bed that taked the weight of the world -
>> > all the lost dreams laid on you
>> > Oh bed that grows no hair, that cannot be fucked
>> > or can be fucked
>> > Oh bed crumbs of all ages spiled on you
>> > Oh yellow bed march to the sun whear yr journey will be done
>> > Oh 50 lbs. of bed that takes 400 more lbs-
>> > how strong you are
>> > Oh bed, only for man & not for animals
>> > yellow bed when will the animals have equal rights?
>> > Oh 4 legged bed off the floor forever built
>> > Oh yellow bed all the news of the world
>> > lay on you at one time or another
>> >
>> > 1957, Paris
>> ..

> I didn't realize it was the same actor from On The Road, either.

I don't watch many current movies...

The old school is best imo... Marlon Brando would have been the best Neal Cassady:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYA9hvcLekg

General-Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 6:10:25 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 4:03:07 PM UTC-4, K. Hematite wrote:
>>> > On Sunday, 6 August 2023 at 14:18:09 UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > K, is that Peter Orlovsky driving across country with John Goodman in the back seat, or is this a generic Beat Generation guy?
>>> > Afraid that I'm not in any position to provide a definitive answer to that question. The character Johnny Five does, out of the blue, suddenly announce to the car passengers "Clean Asshole Poems--Orlovsky," although whether this constitutes a claim of authorship or is merely a reference is far from clear. Later, at a roadside restaurant, Johnny Five seems to be reading--from what looks to me like a manuscript, not a published book--the poem "My Bed Is Covered Yellow" by Orlovsky. That could suggest that he was indeed intended to be taken as some version of Orlovsky.
>>> >
>>> > On the other hand, Johnny Five does tell Llewyn Davis that he acted for a while, appearing in the early 1960s play "The Brig," but that the police closed the show. I can't find anything that connects Orlovsky to "The Brig," although he did act in several films. I checked out the original cast listing for "The Brig" and Orlovsky wasn't in it.
>>> >
>>> > So, I'd say that the Johnny Five character probably inhabits the range between Orlovsky himself and some more generic representation of a Beat Era poet. Tangentially, a year before "Inside Llewyn Davis," Garrett Hedlund, who played Johnny Five, had the part of Dean Moriarty in "On the Road."
>>> Ah... although I've seen that On The Road adaptation, I didn't recognize Garrett Hedlund plaed Dean Moriarty.
>>>
>>> Makes sense that like the fictional folkies in the film he represents a fictional Beat character.......
>>> > My Bed is Covered Yellow by Peter Orlovsky
>>> >
>>> > My bed is covered yellow - Oh Sun, I sit on you
>>> > Oh golden field I lay on you
>>> > Oh money I dream of you
>>> > More, More, cried the bed - talk to me more -
>>> > Oh bed that taked the weight of the world -
>>> > all the lost dreams laid on you
>>> > Oh bed that grows no hair, that cannot be fucked
>>> > or can be fucked
>>> > Oh bed crumbs of all ages spiled on you
>>> > Oh yellow bed march to the sun whear yr journey will be done
>>> > Oh 50 lbs. of bed that takes 400 more lbs-
>>> > how strong you are
>>> > Oh bed, only for man & not for animals
>>> > yellow bed when will the animals have equal rights?
>>> > Oh 4 legged bed off the floor forever built
>>> > Oh yellow bed all the news of the world
>>> > lay on you at one time or another
>>> >
>>> > 1957, Paris
>>> ..

>> I didn't realize it was the same actor from On The Road, either.

> I don't watch many current movies...

> The old school is best imo... Marlon Brando would have been the best Neal Cassady:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYA9hvcLekg

Interesting