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* "Chaucer Here and Now" at the Bodleian LibrariesNancyGene
`* Re: "Chaucer Here and Now" at the Bodleian LibrariesMichael Pendragon
 `* Re: "Chaucer Here and Now" at the Bodleian LibrariesNancyGene
  +* Re: "Chaucer Here and Now" at the Bodleian LibrariesMichael Pendragon
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  `* Re: "Chaucer Here and Now" at the Bodleian LibrariesAsh Wurthing
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   |`* Re: "Chaucer Here and Now" at the Bodleian LibrariesNancyGene
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   |  `* Re: "Chaucer Here and Now" at the Bodleian LibrariesNancyGene
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The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,

Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:09 UTC

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:35:26 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,
>
> Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
> https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer

It sounds like a fascinating exhibit -- however, I'm going to avoid it as Chaucer has been a bad influence on me in the past. When I first read The Canterbury Tales, about thirty years ago, I started writing all of my poetry in faux Middle English: "O Moder, see the blod-red mone\Doth shinen i' the sky.\O hie thee, love, away for soone\The Devel's hour draws nigh..."

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 by: NancyGene - Fri, 8 Dec 2023 00:48 UTC

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:10:00 PM UTC+12, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:35:26 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,
> >
> > Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
> > https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer
> It sounds like a fascinating exhibit -- however, I'm going to avoid it as Chaucer has been a bad influence on me in the past. When I first read The Canterbury Tales, about thirty years ago, I started writing all of my poetry in faux Middle English: "O Moder, see the blod-red mone\Doth shinen i' the sky.\O hie thee, love, away for soone\The Devel's hour draws nigh..."

We "think" that what is exhibited are original illuminated pages. If you wanted color pictures, they had to be colored by hand. If you went there, you would have to travel by ship, unless you could be convinced to fly across that great ocean. However, at least you could afford to go if you wanted to.

We hadn't thought about talking and writing like Chaucer, but that's a good idea.
Chat GPT:

Hwæt! List, Ic wille rǣdan þē
Of Michael Pendragon, mǣra cyninng.
Se wæs ādlod fram fēara daga,
Rīdende ofer fēra landa.

Micel wæs his mægen, mægenesful se ār,
Hǣleð hæleða, heold his wordloca,
Milde and gemyndig, māþma weorþunga,
Gesibsum and sibb, swā swā snotor hæle.

His swyrd gebunden mid byrnan swā hringas scīnend,
Wælreōw in gewinne, wiste eac ēadmodnisse,
Fǣrlessa on fyrde, frēodrihten his folce,
Wīgend wīsa, wæs his wuldortācen.

Ofer eald felda and ēahta hē geseah,
Bragdestan muntas, bēorhta ond hēah,
In turnīrena þǣm, he gewann weorðmynd,
Gefērd ful cyning, ond folc wæs blīðe.

Nū sēo stunde flyhþ, sǣlig se ār,
Mīn rǣd is þes, þæt we rǣdan and ræcān
Be Michael Pendragon, mōdig and stǣr,
Swa swā eald gewrit secgan mæg.

Elevan his ēorlīcnyss, eallum we willaþ herian,
Swa swā rūna rǣdaþ, rīma gleawe,
His naman ne forlǣt, sēo næs fōrlēten,
On þisum ealdum Engliscum leōþe.

Hwæt! Þū Pendragon, þīn wuldor bēo ēce,
Þurh þisse ealdan ēðel, þīn nama lifað,
We heriaþ þīn wælreādne weg,
Mīn gydd sīe swā fægere, swā sōðlice lēof.

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 by: Michael Pendragon - Fri, 8 Dec 2023 01:16 UTC

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:10:00 PM UTC+12, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:35:26 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,
> > >
> > > Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
> > > https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer
> > It sounds like a fascinating exhibit -- however, I'm going to avoid it as Chaucer has been a bad influence on me in the past. When I first read The Canterbury Tales, about thirty years ago, I started writing all of my poetry in faux Middle English: "O Moder, see the blod-red mone\Doth shinen i' the sky.\O hie thee, love, away for soone\The Devel's hour draws nigh..."
> We "think" that what is exhibited are original illuminated pages. If you wanted color pictures, they had to be colored by hand. If you went there, you would have to travel by ship, unless you could be convinced to fly across that great ocean. However, at least you could afford to go if you wanted to.
>
> We hadn't thought about talking and writing like Chaucer, but that's a good idea.
> Chat GPT:
>
> Hwæt! List, Ic wille rǣdan þē
> Of Michael Pendragon, mǣra cyninng.
> Se wæs ādlod fram fēara daga,
> Rīdende ofer fēra landa.
>
> Micel wæs his mægen, mægenesful se ār,
> Hǣleð hæleða, heold his wordloca,
> Milde and gemyndig, māþma weorþunga,
> Gesibsum and sibb, swā swā snotor hæle.
>
> His swyrd gebunden mid byrnan swā hringas scīnend,
> Wælreōw in gewinne, wiste eac ēadmodnisse,
> Fǣrlessa on fyrde, frēodrihten his folce,
> Wīgend wīsa, wæs his wuldortācen.
>
> Ofer eald felda and ēahta hē geseah,
> Bragdestan muntas, bēorhta ond hēah,
> In turnīrena þǣm, he gewann weorðmynd,
> Gefērd ful cyning, ond folc wæs blīðe.
>
> Nū sēo stunde flyhþ, sǣlig se ār,
> Mīn rǣd is þes, þæt we rǣdan and ræcān
> Be Michael Pendragon, mōdig and stǣr,
> Swa swā eald gewrit secgan mæg.
>
> Elevan his ēorlīcnyss, eallum we willaþ herian,
> Swa swā rūna rǣdaþ, rīma gleawe,
> His naman ne forlǣt, sēo næs fōrlēten,
> On þisum ealdum Engliscum leōþe.
>
> Hwæt! Þū Pendragon, þīn wuldor bēo ēce,
> Þurh þisse ealdan ēðel, þīn nama lifað,
> We heriaþ þīn wælreādne weg,
> Mīn gydd sīe swā fægere, swā sōðlice lēof.

That looks more like Beowulf than Chaucer. Either that or my Middle English has gotten rustier than I thought.

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 by: NancyGene - Fri, 8 Dec 2023 01:51 UTC

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 1:16:54 PM UTC+12, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:10:00 PM UTC+12, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:35:26 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,
> > > >
> > > > Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
> > > > https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer
> > > It sounds like a fascinating exhibit -- however, I'm going to avoid it as Chaucer has been a bad influence on me in the past. When I first read The Canterbury Tales, about thirty years ago, I started writing all of my poetry in faux Middle English: "O Moder, see the blod-red mone\Doth shinen i' the sky.\O hie thee, love, away for soone\The Devel's hour draws nigh..."
> > We "think" that what is exhibited are original illuminated pages. If you wanted color pictures, they had to be colored by hand. If you went there, you would have to travel by ship, unless you could be convinced to fly across that great ocean. However, at least you could afford to go if you wanted to.
> >
> > We hadn't thought about talking and writing like Chaucer, but that's a good idea.
> > Chat GPT:
> >
> > Hwæt! List, Ic wille rǣdan þē
> > Of Michael Pendragon, mǣra cyninng.
> > Se wæs ādlod fram fēara daga,
> > Rīdende ofer fēra landa.
> >
> > Micel wæs his mægen, mægenesful se ār,
> > Hǣleð hæleða, heold his wordloca,
> > Milde and gemyndig, māþma weorþunga,
> > Gesibsum and sibb, swā swā snotor hæle.
> >
> > His swyrd gebunden mid byrnan swā hringas scīnend,
> > Wælreōw in gewinne, wiste eac ēadmodnisse,
> > Fǣrlessa on fyrde, frēodrihten his folce,
> > Wīgend wīsa, wæs his wuldortācen.
> >
> > Ofer eald felda and ēahta hē geseah,
> > Bragdestan muntas, bēorhta ond hēah,
> > In turnīrena þǣm, he gewann weorðmynd,
> > Gefērd ful cyning, ond folc wæs blīðe.
> >
> > Nū sēo stunde flyhþ, sǣlig se ār,
> > Mīn rǣd is þes, þæt we rǣdan and ræcān
> > Be Michael Pendragon, mōdig and stǣr,
> > Swa swā eald gewrit secgan mæg.
> >
> > Elevan his ēorlīcnyss, eallum we willaþ herian,
> > Swa swā rūna rǣdaþ, rīma gleawe,
> > His naman ne forlǣt, sēo næs fōrlēten,
> > On þisum ealdum Engliscum leōþe.
> >
> > Hwæt! Þū Pendragon, þīn wuldor bēo ēce,
> > Þurh þisse ealdan ēðel, þīn nama lifað,
> > We heriaþ þīn wælreādne weg,
> > Mīn gydd sīe swā fægere, swā sōðlice lēof.
> That looks more like Beowulf than Chaucer. Either that or my Middle English has gotten rustier than I thought.

We weren't specific enough for Chat GPT and some letters didn't carry over. How about this:

In olden tales of valor sung,
where chivalry and honor rung,
ther lived a man, michael pendragon hight,
his deeds renowned yn day and nyght.
a knight he was, of noble grace,
with steely gaze and steadfast paas.
upon his shield, a dragon soared,
a symbol of the strength he stored.
through fields of werre and quests untold,
his name yn epics was extolled.
with blade yn hand and corage true,
he faced the trials that heroes doon.
in castles high and meadows green,
his presence known, a noble scene.
with gallant heart and purpose high,
he'd face the storm and reach the sky.
yet michael bore a hidden woe,
a heart that felt a deeper blowe.
for love unrequited was his bane,
a longyng felt, a silent payn.
though battles won and foes undone,
the heart's strife could not be shun.
for yn his soul, a lonely ache,
a love he yearned, a heart to take.
so, let us syng of pendragon bold,
whose tales yn history's scrolls are scrolled.
a knight renowned, both near and far,
yet love's swete touch remayned afar.

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On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:10:00 PM UTC+12, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:35:26 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,
> > >
> > > Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
> > > https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer
> > It sounds like a fascinating exhibit -- however, I'm going to avoid it as Chaucer has been a bad influence on me in the past. When I first read The Canterbury Tales, about thirty years ago, I started writing all of my poetry in faux Middle English: "O Moder, see the blod-red mone\Doth shinen i' the sky.\O hie thee, love, away for soone\The Devel's hour draws nigh..."
> We "think" that what is exhibited are original illuminated pages. If you wanted color pictures, they had to be colored by hand. If you went there, you would have to travel by ship, unless you could be convinced to fly across that great ocean. However, at least you could afford to go if you wanted to.
>
> We hadn't thought about talking and writing like Chaucer, but that's a good idea.
> Chat GPT:
>
> Hwæt! List, Ic wille rǣdan þē
> Of Michael Pendragon, mǣra cyninng.
> Se wæs ādlod fram fēara daga,
> Rīdende ofer fēra landa.
>
> Micel wæs his mægen, mægenesful se ār,
> Hǣleð hæleða, heold his wordloca,
> Milde and gemyndig, māþma weorþunga,
> Gesibsum and sibb, swā swā snotor hæle.
>
> His swyrd gebunden mid byrnan swā hringas scīnend,
> Wælreōw in gewinne, wiste eac ēadmodnisse,
> Fǣrlessa on fyrde, frēodrihten his folce,
> Wīgend wīsa, wæs his wuldortācen.
>
> Ofer eald felda and ēahta hē geseah,
> Bragdestan muntas, bēorhta ond hēah,
> In turnīrena þǣm, he gewann weorðmynd,
> Gefērd ful cyning, ond folc wæs blīðe.
>
> Nū sēo stunde flyhþ, sǣlig se ār,
> Mīn rǣd is þes, þæt we rǣdan and ræcān
> Be Michael Pendragon, mōdig and stǣr,
> Swa swā eald gewrit secgan mæg.
>
> Elevan his ēorlīcnyss, eallum we willaþ herian,
> Swa swā rūna rǣdaþ, rīma gleawe,
> His naman ne forlǣt, sēo næs fōrlēten,
> On þisum ealdum Engliscum leōþe.
>
> Hwæt! Þū Pendragon, þīn wuldor bēo ēce,
> Þurh þisse ealdan ēðel, þīn nama lifað,
> We heriaþ þīn wælreādne weg,
> Mīn gydd sīe swā fægere, swā sōðlice lēof.

Out, damned spot! out, I seye!-- one: two: why,
thanne, 'tis tyme to doon't.--hell ys murky!

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On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 8:59:54 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:10:00 PM UTC+12, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:35:26 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,
> > > >
> > > > Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
> > > > https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer
> > > It sounds like a fascinating exhibit -- however, I'm going to avoid it as Chaucer has been a bad influence on me in the past. When I first read The Canterbury Tales, about thirty years ago, I started writing all of my poetry in faux Middle English: "O Moder, see the blod-red mone\Doth shinen i' the sky.\O hie thee, love, away for soone\The Devel's hour draws nigh..."
> > We "think" that what is exhibited are original illuminated pages. If you wanted color pictures, they had to be colored by hand. If you went there, you would have to travel by ship, unless you could be convinced to fly across that great ocean. However, at least you could afford to go if you wanted to.
> >
> > We hadn't thought about talking and writing like Chaucer, but that's a good idea.
> > Chat GPT:
> >
> > Hwæt! List, Ic wille rǣdan þē
> > Of Michael Pendragon, mǣra cyninng.
> > Se wæs ādlod fram fēara daga,
> > Rīdende ofer fēra landa.
> >
> > Micel wæs his mægen, mægenesful se ār,
> > Hǣleð hæleða, heold his wordloca,
> > Milde and gemyndig, māþma weorþunga,
> > Gesibsum and sibb, swā swā snotor hæle.
> >
> > His swyrd gebunden mid byrnan swā hringas scīnend,
> > Wælreōw in gewinne, wiste eac ēadmodnisse,
> > Fǣrlessa on fyrde, frēodrihten his folce,
> > Wīgend wīsa, wæs his wuldortācen.
> >
> > Ofer eald felda and ēahta hē geseah,
> > Bragdestan muntas, bēorhta ond hēah,
> > In turnīrena þǣm, he gewann weorðmynd,
> > Gefērd ful cyning, ond folc wæs blīðe.
> >
> > Nū sēo stunde flyhþ, sǣlig se ār,
> > Mīn rǣd is þes, þæt we rǣdan and ræcān
> > Be Michael Pendragon, mōdig and stǣr,
> > Swa swā eald gewrit secgan mæg.
> >
> > Elevan his ēorlīcnyss, eallum we willaþ herian,
> > Swa swā rūna rǣdaþ, rīma gleawe,
> > His naman ne forlǣt, sēo næs fōrlēten,
> > On þisum ealdum Engliscum leōþe.
> >
> > Hwæt! Þū Pendragon, þīn wuldor bēo ēce,
> > Þurh þisse ealdan ēðel, þīn nama lifað,
> > We heriaþ þīn wælreādne weg,
> > Mīn gydd sīe swā fægere, swā sōðlice lēof.
> Out, damned spot! out, I seye!-- one: two: why,
> thanne, 'tis tyme to doon't.--hell ys murky!

I believe that AI that NG was using was using a more original Middle English text format
I got the same results with special non-Anglicized characters in the results
Th' witcheſ brew ain poÞ ophe hatæ
with lizard, baÞ a'd man
with ain smilæ hẹ̄ laugh their spellſ
a'd stir with wretchede hanede
--'Don't Burn the Witch' ~~Venom
(The witches brew a pot of hate
With lizard, bat and man
With a smile they laugh their spells
And stir with wretched hand)

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 by: NancyGene - Fri, 8 Dec 2023 13:00 UTC

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 9:59:54 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:10:00 PM UTC+12, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:35:26 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,
> > > >
> > > > Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
> > > > https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer
> > > It sounds like a fascinating exhibit -- however, I'm going to avoid it as Chaucer has been a bad influence on me in the past. When I first read The Canterbury Tales, about thirty years ago, I started writing all of my poetry in faux Middle English: "O Moder, see the blod-red mone\Doth shinen i' the sky.\O hie thee, love, away for soone\The Devel's hour draws nigh..."
> > We "think" that what is exhibited are original illuminated pages. If you wanted color pictures, they had to be colored by hand. If you went there, you would have to travel by ship, unless you could be convinced to fly across that great ocean. However, at least you could afford to go if you wanted to.
> >
> > We hadn't thought about talking and writing like Chaucer, but that's a good idea.
> > Chat GPT:
> >
> > Hwæt! List, Ic wille rǣdan þē
> > Of Michael Pendragon, mǣra cyninng.
> > Se wæs ādlod fram fēara daga,
> > Rīdende ofer fēra landa.
> >
> > Micel wæs his mægen, mægenesful se ār,
> > Hǣleð hæleða, heold his wordloca,
> > Milde and gemyndig, māþma weorþunga,
> > Gesibsum and sibb, swā swā snotor hæle.
> >
> > His swyrd gebunden mid byrnan swā hringas scīnend,
> > Wælreōw in gewinne, wiste eac ēadmodnisse,
> > Fǣrlessa on fyrde, frēodrihten his folce,
> > Wīgend wīsa, wæs his wuldortācen.
> >
> > Ofer eald felda and ēahta hē geseah,
> > Bragdestan muntas, bēorhta ond hēah,
> > In turnīrena þǣm, he gewann weorðmynd,
> > Gefērd ful cyning, ond folc wæs blīðe.
> >
> > Nū sēo stunde flyhþ, sǣlig se ār,
> > Mīn rǣd is þes, þæt we rǣdan and ræcān
> > Be Michael Pendragon, mōdig and stǣr,
> > Swa swā eald gewrit secgan mæg.
> >
> > Elevan his ēorlīcnyss, eallum we willaþ herian,
> > Swa swā rūna rǣdaþ, rīma gleawe,
> > His naman ne forlǣt, sēo næs fōrlēten,
> > On þisum ealdum Engliscum leōþe.
> >
> > Hwæt! Þū Pendragon, þīn wuldor bēo ēce,
> > Þurh þisse ealdan ēðel, þīn nama lifað,
> > We heriaþ þīn wælreādne weg,
> > Mīn gydd sīe swā fægere, swā sōðlice lēof.
> Out, damned spot! out, I seye!-- one: two: why,
> thanne, 'tis tyme to doon't.--hell ys murky!

That damned spot won't come out, no matter what language we use.

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On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:14:06 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 8:59:54 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:10:00 PM UTC+12, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:35:26 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,
> > > > >
> > > > > Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
> > > > > https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer
> > > > It sounds like a fascinating exhibit -- however, I'm going to avoid it as Chaucer has been a bad influence on me in the past. When I first read The Canterbury Tales, about thirty years ago, I started writing all of my poetry in faux Middle English: "O Moder, see the blod-red mone\Doth shinen i' the sky.\O hie thee, love, away for soone\The Devel's hour draws nigh...."
> > > We "think" that what is exhibited are original illuminated pages. If you wanted color pictures, they had to be colored by hand. If you went there, you would have to travel by ship, unless you could be convinced to fly across that great ocean. However, at least you could afford to go if you wanted to.
> > >
> > > We hadn't thought about talking and writing like Chaucer, but that's a good idea.
> > > Chat GPT:
> > >
> > > Hwæt! List, Ic wille rǣdan þē
> > > Of Michael Pendragon, mǣra cyninng.
> > > Se wæs ādlod fram fēara daga,
> > > Rīdende ofer fēra landa.
> > >
> > > Micel wæs his mægen, mægenesful se ār,
> > > Hǣleð hæleða, heold his wordloca,
> > > Milde and gemyndig, māþma weorþunga,
> > > Gesibsum and sibb, swā swā snotor hæle.
> > >
> > > His swyrd gebunden mid byrnan swā hringas scīnend,
> > > Wælreōw in gewinne, wiste eac ēadmodnisse,
> > > Fǣrlessa on fyrde, frēodrihten his folce,
> > > Wīgend wīsa, wæs his wuldortācen.
> > >
> > > Ofer eald felda and ēahta hē geseah,
> > > Bragdestan muntas, bēorhta ond hēah,
> > > In turnīrena þǣm, he gewann weorðmynd,
> > > Gefērd ful cyning, ond folc wæs blīðe.
> > >
> > > Nū sēo stunde flyhþ, sǣlig se ār,
> > > Mīn rǣd is þes, þæt we rǣdan and ræcān
> > > Be Michael Pendragon, mōdig and stǣr,
> > > Swa swā eald gewrit secgan mæg.
> > >
> > > Elevan his ēorlīcnyss, eallum we willaþ herian,
> > > Swa swā rūna rǣdaþ, rīma gleawe,
> > > His naman ne forlǣt, sēo næs fōrlēten,
> > > On þisum ealdum Engliscum leōþe.
> > >
> > > Hwæt! Þū Pendragon, þīn wuldor bēo ēce,
> > > Þurh þisse ealdan ēðel, þīn nama lifað,
> > > We heriaþ þīn wælreādne weg,
> > > Mīn gydd sīe swā fægere, swā sōðlice lēof.
> > Out, damned spot! out, I seye!-- one: two: why,
> > thanne, 'tis tyme to doon't.--hell ys murky!
> I believe that AI that NG was using was using a more original Middle English text format
> I got the same results with special non-Anglicized characters in the results
> Th' witcheſ brew ain poÞ ophe hatæ
> with lizard, baÞ a'd man
> with ain smilæ hẹ̄ laugh their spellſ
> a'd stir with wretchede hanede
> --'Don't Burn the Witch' ~~Venom
> (The witches brew a pot of hate
> With lizard, bat and man
> With a smile they laugh their spells
> And stir with wretched hand)

We tried a direct-from-English-to -Middle-English translator, but it was taking too long; we think it was considering each word. At any rate, we would fail spelling class if we were to go back to Chaucer's time.

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On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:03:58 AM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:14:06 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 8:59:54 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:10:00 PM UTC+12, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:35:26 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
> > > > > > https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer
> > > > > It sounds like a fascinating exhibit -- however, I'm going to avoid it as Chaucer has been a bad influence on me in the past. When I first read The Canterbury Tales, about thirty years ago, I started writing all of my poetry in faux Middle English: "O Moder, see the blod-red mone\Doth shinen i' the sky.\O hie thee, love, away for soone\The Devel's hour draws nigh...."
> > > > We "think" that what is exhibited are original illuminated pages. If you wanted color pictures, they had to be colored by hand. If you went there, you would have to travel by ship, unless you could be convinced to fly across that great ocean. However, at least you could afford to go if you wanted to.
> > > >
> > > > We hadn't thought about talking and writing like Chaucer, but that's a good idea.
> > > > Chat GPT:
> > > >
> > > > Hwæt! List, Ic wille rǣdan þē
> > > > Of Michael Pendragon, mǣra cyninng.
> > > > Se wæs ādlod fram fēara daga,
> > > > Rīdende ofer fēra landa.
> > > >
> > > > Micel wæs his mægen, mægenesful se ār,
> > > > Hǣleð hæleða, heold his wordloca,
> > > > Milde and gemyndig, māþma weorþunga,
> > > > Gesibsum and sibb, swā swā snotor hæle.
> > > >
> > > > His swyrd gebunden mid byrnan swā hringas scīnend,
> > > > Wælreōw in gewinne, wiste eac ēadmodnisse,
> > > > Fǣrlessa on fyrde, frēodrihten his folce,
> > > > Wīgend wīsa, wæs his wuldortācen.
> > > >
> > > > Ofer eald felda and ēahta hē geseah,
> > > > Bragdestan muntas, bēorhta ond hēah,
> > > > In turnīrena þǣm, he gewann weorðmynd,
> > > > Gefērd ful cyning, ond folc wæs blīðe.
> > > >
> > > > Nū sēo stunde flyhþ, sǣlig se ār,
> > > > Mīn rǣd is þes, þæt we rǣdan and ræcān
> > > > Be Michael Pendragon, mōdig and stǣr,
> > > > Swa swā eald gewrit secgan mæg.
> > > >
> > > > Elevan his ēorlīcnyss, eallum we willaþ herian,
> > > > Swa swā rūna rǣdaþ, rīma gleawe,
> > > > His naman ne forlǣt, sēo næs fōrlēten,
> > > > On þisum ealdum Engliscum leōþe.
> > > >
> > > > Hwæt! Þū Pendragon, þīn wuldor bēo ēce,
> > > > Þurh þisse ealdan ēðel, þīn nama lifað,
> > > > We heriaþ þīn wælreādne weg,
> > > > Mīn gydd sīe swā fægere, swā sōðlice lēof.
> > > Out, damned spot! out, I seye!-- one: two: why,
> > > thanne, 'tis tyme to doon't.--hell ys murky!
> > I believe that AI that NG was using was using a more original Middle English text format
> > I got the same results with special non-Anglicized characters in the results
> > Th' witcheſ brew ain poÞ ophe hatæ
> > with lizard, baÞ a'd man
> > with ain smilæ hẹ̄ laugh their spellſ
> > a'd stir with wretchede hanede
> > --'Don't Burn the Witch' ~~Venom
> > (The witches brew a pot of hate
> > With lizard, bat and man
> > With a smile they laugh their spells
> > And stir with wretched hand)
> We tried a direct-from-English-to -Middle-English translator, but it was taking too long; we think it was considering each word. At any rate, we would fail spelling class if we were to go back to Chaucer's time.

lol
On Twitter, look up Chaucer Doth Tweet, it does translations of modern song into Chaucer speak.

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On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:03:58 AM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:14:06 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 8:59:54 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:10:00 PM UTC+12, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:35:26 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
> > > > > > https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer
> > > > > It sounds like a fascinating exhibit -- however, I'm going to avoid it as Chaucer has been a bad influence on me in the past. When I first read The Canterbury Tales, about thirty years ago, I started writing all of my poetry in faux Middle English: "O Moder, see the blod-red mone\Doth shinen i' the sky.\O hie thee, love, away for soone\The Devel's hour draws nigh...."
> > > > We "think" that what is exhibited are original illuminated pages. If you wanted color pictures, they had to be colored by hand. If you went there, you would have to travel by ship, unless you could be convinced to fly across that great ocean. However, at least you could afford to go if you wanted to.
> > > >
> > > > We hadn't thought about talking and writing like Chaucer, but that's a good idea.
> > > > Chat GPT:
> > > >
> > > > Hwæt! List, Ic wille rǣdan þē
> > > > Of Michael Pendragon, mǣra cyninng.
> > > > Se wæs ādlod fram fēara daga,
> > > > Rīdende ofer fēra landa.
> > > >
> > > > Micel wæs his mægen, mægenesful se ār,
> > > > Hǣleð hæleða, heold his wordloca,
> > > > Milde and gemyndig, māþma weorþunga,
> > > > Gesibsum and sibb, swā swā snotor hæle.
> > > >
> > > > His swyrd gebunden mid byrnan swā hringas scīnend,
> > > > Wælreōw in gewinne, wiste eac ēadmodnisse,
> > > > Fǣrlessa on fyrde, frēodrihten his folce,
> > > > Wīgend wīsa, wæs his wuldortācen.
> > > >
> > > > Ofer eald felda and ēahta hē geseah,
> > > > Bragdestan muntas, bēorhta ond hēah,
> > > > In turnīrena þǣm, he gewann weorðmynd,
> > > > Gefērd ful cyning, ond folc wæs blīðe.
> > > >
> > > > Nū sēo stunde flyhþ, sǣlig se ār,
> > > > Mīn rǣd is þes, þæt we rǣdan and ræcān
> > > > Be Michael Pendragon, mōdig and stǣr,
> > > > Swa swā eald gewrit secgan mæg.
> > > >
> > > > Elevan his ēorlīcnyss, eallum we willaþ herian,
> > > > Swa swā rūna rǣdaþ, rīma gleawe,
> > > > His naman ne forlǣt, sēo næs fōrlēten,
> > > > On þisum ealdum Engliscum leōþe.
> > > >
> > > > Hwæt! Þū Pendragon, þīn wuldor bēo ēce,
> > > > Þurh þisse ealdan ēðel, þīn nama lifað,
> > > > We heriaþ þīn wælreādne weg,
> > > > Mīn gydd sīe swā fægere, swā sōðlice lēof.
> > > Out, damned spot! out, I seye!-- one: two: why,
> > > thanne, 'tis tyme to doon't.--hell ys murky!
> > I believe that AI that NG was using was using a more original Middle English text format
> > I got the same results with special non-Anglicized characters in the results
> > Th' witcheſ brew ain poÞ ophe hatæ
> > with lizard, baÞ a'd man
> > with ain smilæ hẹ̄ laugh their spellſ
> > a'd stir with wretchede hanede
> > --'Don't Burn the Witch' ~~Venom
> > (The witches brew a pot of hate
> > With lizard, bat and man
> > With a smile they laugh their spells
> > And stir with wretched hand)
> We tried a direct-from-English-to -Middle-English translator, but it was taking too long; we think it was considering each word. At any rate, we would fail spelling class if we were to go back to Chaucer's time.

Goddamned, Google is certain that I'm not human--
got four visual tests in a row to pass on that last post

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On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:37:29 AM UTC+3, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:03:58 AM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:14:06 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 8:59:54 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:10:00 PM UTC+12, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:35:26 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
> > > > > > > https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer
> > > > > > It sounds like a fascinating exhibit -- however, I'm going to avoid it as Chaucer has been a bad influence on me in the past. When I first read The Canterbury Tales, about thirty years ago, I started writing all of my poetry in faux Middle English: "O Moder, see the blod-red mone\Doth shinen i' the sky.\O hie thee, love, away for soone\The Devel's hour draws nigh..."
> > > > > We "think" that what is exhibited are original illuminated pages. If you wanted color pictures, they had to be colored by hand. If you went there, you would have to travel by ship, unless you could be convinced to fly across that great ocean. However, at least you could afford to go if you wanted to.
> > > > >
> > > > > We hadn't thought about talking and writing like Chaucer, but that's a good idea.
> > > > > Chat GPT:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hwæt! List, Ic wille rǣdan þē
> > > > > Of Michael Pendragon, mǣra cyninng.
> > > > > Se wæs ādlod fram fēara daga,
> > > > > Rīdende ofer fēra landa.
> > > > >
> > > > > Micel wæs his mægen, mægenesful se ār,
> > > > > Hǣleð hæleða, heold his wordloca,
> > > > > Milde and gemyndig, māþma weorþunga,
> > > > > Gesibsum and sibb, swā swā snotor hæle.
> > > > >
> > > > > His swyrd gebunden mid byrnan swā hringas scīnend,
> > > > > Wælreōw in gewinne, wiste eac ēadmodnisse,
> > > > > Fǣrlessa on fyrde, frēodrihten his folce,
> > > > > Wīgend wīsa, wæs his wuldortācen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ofer eald felda and ēahta hē geseah,
> > > > > Bragdestan muntas, bēorhta ond hēah,
> > > > > In turnīrena þǣm, he gewann weorðmynd,
> > > > > Gefērd ful cyning, ond folc wæs blīðe.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nū sēo stunde flyhþ, sǣlig se ār,
> > > > > Mīn rǣd is þes, þæt we rǣdan and ræcān
> > > > > Be Michael Pendragon, mōdig and stǣr,
> > > > > Swa swā eald gewrit secgan mæg.
> > > > >
> > > > > Elevan his ēorlīcnyss, eallum we willaþ herian,
> > > > > Swa swā rūna rǣdaþ, rīma gleawe,
> > > > > His naman ne forlǣt, sēo næs fōrlēten,
> > > > > On þisum ealdum Engliscum leōþe.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hwæt! Þū Pendragon, þīn wuldor bēo ēce,
> > > > > Þurh þisse ealdan ēðel, þīn nama lifað,
> > > > > We heriaþ þīn wælreādne weg,
> > > > > Mīn gydd sīe swā fægere, swā sōðlice lēof.
> > > > Out, damned spot! out, I seye!-- one: two: why,
> > > > thanne, 'tis tyme to doon't.--hell ys murky!
> > > I believe that AI that NG was using was using a more original Middle English text format
> > > I got the same results with special non-Anglicized characters in the results
> > > Th' witcheſ brew ain poÞ ophe hatæ
> > > with lizard, baÞ a'd man
> > > with ain smilæ hẹ̄ laugh their spellſ
> > > a'd stir with wretchede hanede
> > > --'Don't Burn the Witch' ~~Venom
> > > (The witches brew a pot of hate
> > > With lizard, bat and man
> > > With a smile they laugh their spells
> > > And stir with wretched hand)
> > We tried a direct-from-English-to -Middle-English translator, but it was taking too long; we think it was considering each word. At any rate, we would fail spelling class if we were to go back to Chaucer's time.
> Goddamned, Google is certain that I'm not human--
> got four visual tests in a row to pass on that last post

We think that that program is flawed. How many boxes of pictures of motorcycles can we have gotten wrong?

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 by: Ash Wurthing - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:16 UTC

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:38:52 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:37:29 AM UTC+3, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:03:58 AM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:14:06 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 8:59:54 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:10:00 PM UTC+12, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:35:26 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > > The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
> > > > > > > > https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer
> > > > > > > It sounds like a fascinating exhibit -- however, I'm going to avoid it as Chaucer has been a bad influence on me in the past. When I first read The Canterbury Tales, about thirty years ago, I started writing all of my poetry in faux Middle English: "O Moder, see the blod-red mone\Doth shinen i' the sky.\O hie thee, love, away for soone\The Devel's hour draws nigh..."
> > > > > > We "think" that what is exhibited are original illuminated pages. If you wanted color pictures, they had to be colored by hand. If you went there, you would have to travel by ship, unless you could be convinced to fly across that great ocean. However, at least you could afford to go if you wanted to.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We hadn't thought about talking and writing like Chaucer, but that's a good idea.
> > > > > > Chat GPT:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hwæt! List, Ic wille rǣdan þē
> > > > > > Of Michael Pendragon, mǣra cyninng.
> > > > > > Se wæs ādlod fram fēara daga,
> > > > > > Rīdende ofer fēra landa.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Micel wæs his mægen, mægenesful se ār,
> > > > > > Hǣleð hæleða, heold his wordloca,
> > > > > > Milde and gemyndig, māþma weorþunga,
> > > > > > Gesibsum and sibb, swā swā snotor hæle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > His swyrd gebunden mid byrnan swā hringas scīnend,
> > > > > > Wælreōw in gewinne, wiste eac ēadmodnisse,
> > > > > > Fǣrlessa on fyrde, frēodrihten his folce,
> > > > > > Wīgend wīsa, wæs his wuldortācen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ofer eald felda and ēahta hē geseah,
> > > > > > Bragdestan muntas, bēorhta ond hēah,
> > > > > > In turnīrena þǣm, he gewann weorðmynd,
> > > > > > Gefērd ful cyning, ond folc wæs blīðe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nū sēo stunde flyhþ, sǣlig se ār,
> > > > > > Mīn rǣd is þes, þæt we rǣdan and ræcān
> > > > > > Be Michael Pendragon, mōdig and stǣr,
> > > > > > Swa swā eald gewrit secgan mæg.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Elevan his ēorlīcnyss, eallum we willaþ herian,
> > > > > > Swa swā rūna rǣdaþ, rīma gleawe,
> > > > > > His naman ne forlǣt, sēo næs fōrlēten,
> > > > > > On þisum ealdum Engliscum leōþe.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hwæt! Þū Pendragon, þīn wuldor bēo ēce,
> > > > > > Þurh þisse ealdan ēðel, þīn nama lifað,
> > > > > > We heriaþ þīn wælreādne weg,
> > > > > > Mīn gydd sīe swā fægere, swā sōðlice lēof.
> > > > > Out, damned spot! out, I seye!-- one: two: why,
> > > > > thanne, 'tis tyme to doon't.--hell ys murky!
> > > > I believe that AI that NG was using was using a more original Middle English text format
> > > > I got the same results with special non-Anglicized characters in the results
> > > > Th' witcheſ brew ain poÞ ophe hatæ
> > > > with lizard, baÞ a'd man
> > > > with ain smilæ hẹ̄ laugh their spellſ
> > > > a'd stir with wretchede hanede
> > > > --'Don't Burn the Witch' ~~Venom
> > > > (The witches brew a pot of hate
> > > > With lizard, bat and man
> > > > With a smile they laugh their spells
> > > > And stir with wretched hand)
> > > We tried a direct-from-English-to -Middle-English translator, but it was taking too long; we think it was considering each word. At any rate, we would fail spelling class if we were to go back to Chaucer's time.
> > Goddamned, Google is certain that I'm not human--
> > got four visual tests in a row to pass on that last post
> We think that that program is flawed. How many boxes of pictures of motorcycles can we have gotten wrong?

A belated response, Google made it impossible for me prove I'm human...

The repeating of images isn't because you got things wrong.  It hits you with multiple tests to foil more advanced bot scripts that have been programmed to do captchas, I do believe.
The other day it kept hitting me with multiple visual tests, including where the image section you click changes up to three times and you have to click again or leave it unclicked.
My phone app couldn't help me, even though it's a nifty AI assisted app that describes a pic for me in audio.  It couldn't tell me row and column positions for the image sections.
To get theAYoS post posted, I ended up screen sharing and having a online group on Discord be my eyes and tell me what to click.
But that's all I bothered to do, cause I'm not goin' to waste their valuable time on this place, when I need their assistance for real world things like if shatter something on the floor and need help making sure I have it cleaned up properly.  So I didn't bother with any futher posts that day-- I have other places and things to create elsewhere.
If multiple visual tests are going to be the norm every time, and if they don't fix the accessibility audio test for blindness, I'm either going to have to find another way to post or move on to greener pastures.  Some made up disability huh?

A funny aside, in a fight elsewhere, someone told me not to look in a mirror or I'll crack it, so I responded, the mirror doesn't show anything, not that I can see-- i have become SOULLESS!

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 by: NancyGene - Fri, 15 Dec 2023 01:25 UTC

On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 8:16:27 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 12:38:52 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 2:37:29 AM UTC+3, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 8:03:58 AM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 11:14:06 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 8:59:54 PM UTC-5, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 7:49:00 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 12:10:00 PM UTC+12, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 12:35:26 PM UTC-5, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > > > > > The Bodleian Libraries is hosting an exhibition called "Chaucer Here and Now" from December 8, 2023 to April 28, 2024. "Chaucer Here and Now presents Geoffrey Chaucer as you haven’t seen him before." Manuscripts and exhibits,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bodleian Old Library, Broad Street, Oxford OX1 3BG
> > > > > > > > > https://visit.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/chaucer
> > > > > > > > It sounds like a fascinating exhibit -- however, I'm going to avoid it as Chaucer has been a bad influence on me in the past. When I first read The Canterbury Tales, about thirty years ago, I started writing all of my poetry in faux Middle English: "O Moder, see the blod-red mone\Doth shinen i' the sky.\O hie thee, love, away for soone\The Devel's hour draws nigh..."
> > > > > > > We "think" that what is exhibited are original illuminated pages. If you wanted color pictures, they had to be colored by hand. If you went there, you would have to travel by ship, unless you could be convinced to fly across that great ocean. However, at least you could afford to go if you wanted to.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > We hadn't thought about talking and writing like Chaucer, but that's a good idea.
> > > > > > > Chat GPT:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hwæt! List, Ic wille rǣdan þē
> > > > > > > Of Michael Pendragon, mǣra cyninng.
> > > > > > > Se wæs ādlod fram fēara daga,
> > > > > > > Rīdende ofer fēra landa.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Micel wæs his mægen, mægenesful se ār,
> > > > > > > Hǣleð hæleða, heold his wordloca,
> > > > > > > Milde and gemyndig, māþma weorþunga,
> > > > > > > Gesibsum and sibb, swā swā snotor hæle.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > His swyrd gebunden mid byrnan swā hringas scīnend,
> > > > > > > Wælreōw in gewinne, wiste eac ēadmodnisse,
> > > > > > > Fǣrlessa on fyrde, frēodrihten his folce,
> > > > > > > Wīgend wīsa, wæs his wuldortācen.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ofer eald felda and ēahta hē geseah,
> > > > > > > Bragdestan muntas, bēorhta ond hēah,
> > > > > > > In turnīrena þǣm, he gewann weorðmynd,
> > > > > > > Gefērd ful cyning, ond folc wæs blīðe.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nū sēo stunde flyhþ, sǣlig se ār,
> > > > > > > Mīn rǣd is þes, þæt we rǣdan and ræcān
> > > > > > > Be Michael Pendragon, mōdig and stǣr,
> > > > > > > Swa swā eald gewrit secgan mæg.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Elevan his ēorlīcnyss, eallum we willaþ herian,
> > > > > > > Swa swā rūna rǣdaþ, rīma gleawe,
> > > > > > > His naman ne forlǣt, sēo næs fōrlēten,
> > > > > > > On þisum ealdum Engliscum leōþe.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hwæt! Þū Pendragon, þīn wuldor bēo ēce,
> > > > > > > Þurh þisse ealdan ēðel, þīn nama lifað,
> > > > > > > We heriaþ þīn wælreādne weg,
> > > > > > > Mīn gydd sīe swā fægere, swā sōðlice lēof.
> > > > > > Out, damned spot! out, I seye!-- one: two: why,
> > > > > > thanne, 'tis tyme to doon't.--hell ys murky!
> > > > > I believe that AI that NG was using was using a more original Middle English text format
> > > > > I got the same results with special non-Anglicized characters in the results
> > > > > Th' witcheſ brew ain poÞ ophe hatæ
> > > > > with lizard, baÞ a'd man
> > > > > with ain smilæ hẹ̄ laugh their spellſ
> > > > > a'd stir with wretchede hanede
> > > > > --'Don't Burn the Witch' ~~Venom
> > > > > (The witches brew a pot of hate
> > > > > With lizard, bat and man
> > > > > With a smile they laugh their spells
> > > > > And stir with wretched hand)
> > > > We tried a direct-from-English-to -Middle-English translator, but it was taking too long; we think it was considering each word. At any rate, we would fail spelling class if we were to go back to Chaucer's time.
> > > Goddamned, Google is certain that I'm not human--
> > > got four visual tests in a row to pass on that last post
> > We think that that program is flawed. How many boxes of pictures of motorcycles can we have gotten wrong?
> A belated response, Google made it impossible for me prove I'm human...
>
> The repeating of images isn't because you got things wrong. It hits you with multiple tests to foil more advanced bot scripts that have been programmed to do captchas, I do believe.
> The other day it kept hitting me with multiple visual tests, including where the image section you click changes up to three times and you have to click again or leave it unclicked.
> My phone app couldn't help me, even though it's a nifty AI assisted app that describes a pic for me in audio. It couldn't tell me row and column positions for the image sections.
> To get theAYoS post posted, I ended up screen sharing and having a online group on Discord be my eyes and tell me what to click.
> But that's all I bothered to do, cause I'm not goin' to waste their valuable time on this place, when I need their assistance for real world things like if shatter something on the floor and need help making sure I have it cleaned up properly. So I didn't bother with any futher posts that day-- I have other places and things to create elsewhere.
> If multiple visual tests are going to be the norm every time, and if they don't fix the accessibility audio test for blindness, I'm either going to have to find another way to post or move on to greener pastures. Some made up disability huh?

Maybe once they have sorted out the pissbums, who will not be able to solve Captcha on their phones, they will do a Trusted Posters line.
>
> A funny aside, in a fight elsewhere, someone told me not to look in a mirror or I'll crack it, so I responded, the mirror doesn't show anything, not that I can see-- i have become SOULLESS!

What does your picture show, Ash? Have someone else describe it for you.


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