"Black & Indigenous people of color around the world have
suffered under police brutality ..."

Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus" last week to prevent the
Scooby Doo character Velma from calling the police.

For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown The Mystery Inc. gang
solving crimes and alerting police to the presence of potential criminals.
But critics have recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing precisely what
had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a "wanted" poster and calling the
cops on characters from across the Warner Bros. Discovery catalog.

"Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the mystery and calls the
Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery Machine to take the bad guys away," Warner
Brothers games announced last week.

One petition that drew a bare 34 signatures lambasted Warner Brothers,
stating, "Although historically, the Scooby Doo gang has (but not always)
worked with the police to catch the suspect within the cartoons, this cop car
is _not_ necessary in the game nor does it add meaning to her moveset. For
decades, and especially in recent times, Black & Indigenous people of color
around the world have suffered under police brutality and this cop car is
ignoring the problem of police brutality in this day in age."

"We the players of MultiVersus demand the devs from Player First Games to
please reconsider the ultimate art of the cop car chase to be replaced by the
Mystery Machine van chase that Velma and her friends use to race around to
catch the suspects in the cartoon," the petition continues.

In August, one YouTuber tweeted, "I am enjoying Velma in Multiversus but
maining a character who's special move is calling the police on her enemies
definitely don't sit right with me as a black man lol," adding, "'Get em
sheriff!' that shit kills me Karen ultimate."

"Get em sheriff!" ?? that shit kills me

Karen ultimate

-- he who vibes (@NgObscure) August 1, 2022

"A predominant feature of the 'Karen' stereotype is that they weaponise their
relative privilege against people of colour -- for example, when making
police complaints against black people for minor or even -- in numerous cases
-- fictitious infringements," the BBC explains.

According to VentureBeat, "MultiVersus," which was introduced in July,
garnered over 20 million users in the first month it was available.

--
Let's go Brandon!

In article <tfnqvt$2aaap$3@dont-email.me>,
Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:

> "Black & Indigenous people of color around the world have
> suffered under police brutality ..."
>
> Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus" last week to prevent the
> Scooby Doo character Velma from calling the police.
>
> For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown The Mystery Inc. gang
> solving crimes and alerting police to the presence of potential criminals.
> But critics have recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing precisely what
> had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a "wanted" poster and calling the
> cops on characters from across the Warner Bros. Discovery catalog.
>
> "Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the mystery and calls the
> Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery Machine to take the bad guys away," Warner
> Brothers games announced last week.

So not only does the game teach that calling the cops on criminals is
somehow a bad thing, it justifies vigilantism by having civilians with
no law enforcement authority whatsoever literally shove people into
their van and kidnap them.

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> In article <tfnqvt$2aaap$3@dont-email.me>,
> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>> "Black & Indigenous people of color around the world have
>> suffered under police brutality ..."
>>
>> Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus" last week to prevent the
>> Scooby Doo character Velma from calling the police.
>>
>> For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown The Mystery Inc. gang
>> solving crimes and alerting police to the presence of potential criminals.
>> But critics have recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing precisely what
>> had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a "wanted" poster and calling the
>> cops on characters from across the Warner Bros. Discovery catalog.
>>
>> "Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the mystery and calls the
>> Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery Machine to take the bad guys away," Warner
>> Brothers games announced last week.
>
> So not only does the game teach that calling the cops on criminals is
> somehow a bad thing, it justifies vigilantism by having civilians with
> no law enforcement authority whatsoever literally shove people into
> their van and kidnap them.
>

You do have to wonder what the gang does with the criminals if they won’t
deal with the police…

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

On 9/12/2022 4:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> In article <tfnqvt$2aaap$3@dont-email.me>,
>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Black & Indigenous people of color around the world have
>>> suffered under police brutality ..."
>>>
>>> Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus" last week to prevent the
>>> Scooby Doo character Velma from calling the police.
>>>
>>> For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown The Mystery Inc. gang
>>> solving crimes and alerting police to the presence of potential criminals.
>>> But critics have recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing precisely what
>>> had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a "wanted" poster and calling the
>>> cops on characters from across the Warner Bros. Discovery catalog.
>>>
>>> "Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the mystery and calls the
>>> Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery Machine to take the bad guys away," Warner
>>> Brothers games announced last week.
>>
>> So not only does the game teach that calling the cops on criminals is
>> somehow a bad thing, it justifies vigilantism by having civilians with
>> no law enforcement authority whatsoever literally shove people into
>> their van and kidnap them.
>>
>
> You do have to wonder what the gang does with the criminals if they won’t
> deal with the police…

The 'Mystery Machine' is a Cuisinart...

On Sep 12, 2022 at 1:04:27 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>> In article <tfnqvt$2aaap$3@dont-email.me>,
>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Black & Indigenous people of color around the world have
>>> suffered under police brutality ..."
>>>
>>> Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus" last week to prevent
>>> the
>>> Scooby Doo character Velma from calling the police.
>>>
>>> For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown The Mystery Inc.
>>> gang
>>> solving crimes and alerting police to the presence of potential criminals.
>>> But critics have recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing precisely what
>>> had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a "wanted" poster and calling
>>> the
>>> cops on characters from across the Warner Bros. Discovery catalog.
>>>
>>> "Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the mystery and calls the
>>> Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery Machine to take the bad guys away,"
>>> Warner
>>> Brothers games announced last week.
>>
>> So not only does the game teach that calling the cops on criminals is
>> somehow a bad thing, it justifies vigilantism by having civilians with
>> no law enforcement authority whatsoever literally shove people into
>> their van and kidnap them.
>>
>
> You do have to wonder what the gang does with the criminals if they won’t
> deal with the police…

During the height of the BLM nonsense, one of the neighborhood busybodies-- a
middle-aged guilt-ridden white woman, the most dangerous demographic in
America-- was going door-to-door asking people to sign a pledge not to call
the cops on any black person they catch or see committing a crime. (Apparently
calling the cops on white criminals was still a-okay.)

I told her that if I caught someone breaking into my house or
vandalizing/stealing from my car, regardless of race, I'd not only call the
cops on them, I'd pre-tune them up before the cops got there, to make sure
they were nice and tenderized for the police when they arrived.

If that old cartoon cliche of someone slowly turning red until steam started
blasting out of their ears was a real thing, this biddy was demonstrating it.
She said she was going to call BLM and organize a protest of my house. I told
her to bring it and slammed the door in her face. Never heard from her again,
although my landlord did text me that she'd gotten a call from some lady who
wanted her to know "just who she was renting to" and who proceeded to describe
what I'd told her. My landlord, who's even more conservative than I am, told
her that not only didn't she care, she was considering giving me a discount on
my rent for the month as a reward. I can only imagine how the biddy stroked
out over *that*.

Never did see that discount though...

On 2022-09-12 12:41 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> "Black & Indigenous people of color around the world have
> suffered under police brutality ..."
>
> Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus" last week to prevent the
> Scooby Doo character Velma from calling the police.
>
> For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown The Mystery Inc. gang
> solving crimes and alerting police to the presence of potential criminals.
> But critics have recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing precisely what
> had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a "wanted" poster and calling the
> cops on characters from across the Warner Bros. Discovery catalog.
>
> "Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the mystery and calls the
> Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery Machine to take the bad guys away," Warner
> Brothers games announced last week.
>
> One petition that drew a bare 34 signatures lambasted Warner Brothers,
> stating, "Although historically, the Scooby Doo gang has (but not always)
> worked with the police to catch the suspect within the cartoons, this cop car
> is _not_ necessary in the game nor does it add meaning to her moveset. For
> decades, and especially in recent times, Black & Indigenous people of color
> around the world have suffered under police brutality and this cop car is
> ignoring the problem of police brutality in this day in age."
>
> "We the players of MultiVersus demand the devs from Player First Games to
> please reconsider the ultimate art of the cop car chase to be replaced by the
> Mystery Machine van chase that Velma and her friends use to race around to
> catch the suspects in the cartoon," the petition continues.
>
> In August, one YouTuber tweeted, "I am enjoying Velma in Multiversus but
> maining a character who's special move is calling the police on her enemies
> definitely don't sit right with me as a black man lol," adding, "'Get em
> sheriff!' that shit kills me Karen ultimate."
>
> "Get em sheriff!" ?? that shit kills me
>
> Karen ultimate
>
> -- he who vibes (@NgObscure) August 1, 2022
>
> "A predominant feature of the 'Karen' stereotype is that they weaponise their
> relative privilege against people of colour -- for example, when making
> police complaints against black people for minor or even -- in numerous cases
> -- fictitious infringements," the BBC explains.
>
> According to VentureBeat, "MultiVersus," which was introduced in July,
> garnered over 20 million users in the first month it was available.
>
20 million people played it and 34 complained so they made the change
requested
by the miniscule number of complainers? It's going to be interesting to
see how the 20 million respond to this change. It's going to be funny if
many thousands of people now complain about the changes they made to
pander to the tiny handful of complainers - and play something else
instead. I think this is going to be another case of "go woke, go broke!"

--
Rhino

no_offline_contact@example.com wrote:
> On 2022-09-12 12:41 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:

>> "Black & Indigenous people of color around the world have
>> suffered under police brutality ..."
>>
>> Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus" last week to prevent
>> the Scooby Doo character Velma from calling the police.
>>
>> For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown The Mystery Inc.
>> gang solving crimes and alerting police to the presence of potential
>> criminals. But critics have recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing
>> precisely what had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a "wanted"
>> poster and calling the cops on characters from across the Warner Bros.
>> Discovery catalog.
>>
>> "Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the mystery and calls the
>> Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery Machine to take the bad guys away,"
>> Warner Brothers games announced last week.
>>
>> One petition that drew a bare 34 signatures lambasted Warner Brothers,
>> stating, "Although historically, the Scooby Doo gang has (but not always)
>> worked with the police to catch the suspect within the cartoons, this cop
>> car is _not_ necessary in the game nor does it add meaning to her moveset.
>> For decades, and especially in recent times, Black & Indigenous people of
>> color around the world have suffered under police brutality and this cop
>> car is ignoring the problem of police brutality in this day in age."
>>
>> "We the players of MultiVersus demand the devs from Player First Games to
>> please reconsider the ultimate art of the cop car chase to be replaced by
>> the Mystery Machine van chase that Velma and her friends use to race
>> around to catch the suspects in the cartoon," the petition continues.
>>
>> In August, one YouTuber tweeted, "I am enjoying Velma in Multiversus but
>> maining a character who's special move is calling the police on her
>> enemies definitely don't sit right with me as a black man lol," adding,
>> "'Get em sheriff!' that shit kills me Karen ultimate."
>>
>> "Get em sheriff!" ?? that shit kills me
>>
>> Karen ultimate
>>
>> -- he who vibes (@NgObscure) August 1, 2022
>>
>> "A predominant feature of the 'Karen' stereotype is that they weaponise
>> their relative privilege against people of colour -- for example, when
>> making police complaints against black people for minor or even -- in
>> numerous cases -- fictitious infringements," the BBC explains.
>>
>> According to VentureBeat, "MultiVersus," which was introduced in July,
>> garnered over 20 million users in the first month it was available.
>
>20 million people played it and 34 complained so they made the change
>requested by the miniscule number of complainers? It's going to be
>interesting to see how the 20 million respond to this change. It's going
>to be funny if many thousands of people now complain about the changes they
>made to pander to the tiny handful of complainers - and play something else
>instead. I think this is going to be another case of "go woke, go broke!"

Customers quitting en mass is the only way those woke wankers will learn that
lesson.

--
Let's go Brandon!

In article <tGMTK.169961$9Yp5.149681@fx12.iad>, pwallace@moviepig.com wrote:
> On 9/12/2022 4:04 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>>> So not only does the game teach that calling the cops on criminals is
>>> somehow a bad thing, it justifies vigilantism by having civilians with
>>> no law enforcement authority whatsoever literally shove people into
>>> their van and kidnap them.
>>
>> You do have to wonder what the gang does with the criminals if they won't
>> deal with the police…
>
> The 'Mystery Machine' is a Cuisinart...

Actually, it was a nickname for Velma's nether regions.

--
Let's go Brandon!

BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
> On Sep 12, 2022 at 1:04:27 PM PDT, "anim8rfsk" <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>> In article <tfnqvt$2aaap$3@dont-email.me>,
>>> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Black & Indigenous people of color around the world have
>>>> suffered under police brutality ..."
>>>>
>>>> Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus" last week to prevent
>>> the
>>>> Scooby Doo character Velma from calling the police.
>>>>
>>>> For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown The Mystery Inc.
>>> gang
>>>> solving crimes and alerting police to the presence of potential criminals.
>>>> But critics have recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing precisely what
>>>> had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a "wanted" poster and calling
>>> the
>>>> cops on characters from across the Warner Bros. Discovery catalog.
>>>>
>>>> "Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the mystery and calls the
>>>> Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery Machine to take the bad guys away,"
>>> Warner
>>>> Brothers games announced last week.
>>>
>>> So not only does the game teach that calling the cops on criminals is
>>> somehow a bad thing, it justifies vigilantism by having civilians with
>>> no law enforcement authority whatsoever literally shove people into
>>> their van and kidnap them.
>>>
>>
>> You do have to wonder what the gang does with the criminals if they won’t
>> deal with the police…
>
> During the height of the BLM nonsense, one of the neighborhood busybodies-- a
middle-aged guilt-ridden white woman, the most dangerous demographic in
America-- was going door-to-door asking people to sign a pledge not to call
the cops on any black person they catch or see committing a crime.
(Apparently
calling the cops on white criminals was still a-okay.)
>
> I told her that if I caught someone breaking into my house or
vandalizing/stealing from my car, regardless of race, I'd not only call the
cops on them, I'd pre-tune them up before the cops got there, to make sure
they were nice and tenderized for the police when they arrived.
>
> If that old cartoon cliche of someone slowly turning red until steam started
blasting out of their ears was a real thing, this biddy was demonstrating
it.
She said she was going to call BLM and organize a protest of my house. I
told
her to bring it and slammed the door in her face. Never heard from her
again,
although my landlord did text me that she'd gotten a call from some lady
who
wanted her to know "just who she was renting to" and who proceeded to
describe
what I'd told her. My landlord, who's even more conservative than I am,
told
her that not only didn't she care, she was considering giving me a
discount on
my rent for the month as a reward. I can only imagine how the biddy stroked
out over *that*.
>
> Never did see that discount though...
>

>

Lol

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> On 2022-09-12 12:41 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> "Black & Indigenous people of color around the world have
>> suffered under police brutality ..."
>>
>> Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus" last week to prevent the
>> Scooby Doo character Velma from calling the police.
>>
>> For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown The Mystery Inc. gang
>> solving crimes and alerting police to the presence of potential criminals.
>> But critics have recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing precisely what
>> had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a "wanted" poster and calling the
>> cops on characters from across the Warner Bros. Discovery catalog.
>>
>> "Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the mystery and calls the
>> Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery Machine to take the bad guys away," Warner
>> Brothers games announced last week.
>>
>> One petition that drew a bare 34 signatures lambasted Warner Brothers,
>> stating, "Although historically, the Scooby Doo gang has (but not always)
>> worked with the police to catch the suspect within the cartoons, this cop car
>> is _not_ necessary in the game nor does it add meaning to her moveset. For
>> decades, and especially in recent times, Black & Indigenous people of color
>> around the world have suffered under police brutality and this cop car is
>> ignoring the problem of police brutality in this day in age."
>>
>> "We the players of MultiVersus demand the devs from Player First Games to
>> please reconsider the ultimate art of the cop car chase to be replaced by the
>> Mystery Machine van chase that Velma and her friends use to race around to
>> catch the suspects in the cartoon," the petition continues.
>>
>> In August, one YouTuber tweeted, "I am enjoying Velma in Multiversus but
>> maining a character who's special move is calling the police on her enemies
>> definitely don't sit right with me as a black man lol," adding, "'Get em
>> sheriff!' that shit kills me Karen ultimate."
>>
>> "Get em sheriff!" ?? that shit kills me
>>
>> Karen ultimate
>>
>> -- he who vibes (@NgObscure) August 1, 2022
>>
>> "A predominant feature of the 'Karen' stereotype is that they weaponise their
>> relative privilege against people of colour -- for example, when making
>> police complaints against black people for minor or even -- in numerous cases
>> -- fictitious infringements," the BBC explains.
>>
>> According to VentureBeat, "MultiVersus," which was introduced in July,
>> garnered over 20 million users in the first month it was available.
>>
> 20 million people played it and 34 complained so they made the change
> requested
> by the miniscule number of complainers? It's going to be interesting to
> see how the 20 million respond to this change. It's going to be funny if
> many thousands of people now complain about the changes they made to
> pander to the tiny handful of complainers - and play something else
> instead. I think this is going to be another case of "go woke, go broke!"
>

Back in the late great days of laser disk, s company was producing these
huge box sets, multi platter, multi hundreds of dollars. Of all the Looney
Tunes cartoons. I believe it was called the golden age of Looney Tunes. One
set had a World War II propaganda cartoon on it called “Bugs Bunny nips the
nips“
They got one complaint, count them, one, from some mother in Ohio who
didn’t think her kids should be seeing that cartoon.
They canceled and recalled and eradicated every copy in existence that they
could (I still have mine) and said they were going to re-issue it without
that one cartoon (I don’t know if they ever actually did).

One. Complaint.

One.

There are a lot of segments from it on the YouTube. Here’s one now!

https://youtu.be/qL0s0fEjnXg

Ian describes it in great detail here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugs_Bunny_Nips_the_Nips?wprov=sfti1

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

anim8rfsk wrote:

> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-09-12 12:41 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>> "Black & Indigenous people of color around the world
>>> have suffered under police brutality ..."
>>>
>>> Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus"
>>> last week to prevent the Scooby Doo character Velma from
>>> calling the police.
>>>
>>> For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown
>>> The Mystery Inc. gang solving crimes and alerting police
>>> to the presence of potential criminals. But critics have
>>> recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing precisely
>>> what had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a
>>> "wanted" poster and calling the cops on characters from
>>> across the Warner Bros. Discovery catalog.
>>>
>>> "Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the
>>> mystery and calls the Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery
>>> Machine to take the bad guys away," Warner Brothers
>>> games announced last week.
>>>
>>> One petition that drew a bare 34 signatures lambasted
>>> Warner Brothers, stating, "Although historically, the
>>> Scooby Doo gang has (but not always) worked with the
>>> police to catch the suspect within the cartoons, this
>>> cop car is _not_ necessary in the game nor does it add
>>> meaning to her moveset. For decades, and especially in
>>> recent times, Black & Indigenous people of color around
>>> the world have suffered under police brutality and this
>>> cop car is ignoring the problem of police brutality in
>>> this day in age."
>>>
>>> "We the players of MultiVersus demand the devs from
>>> Player First Games to please reconsider the ultimate art
>>> of the cop car chase to be replaced by the Mystery
>>> Machine van chase that Velma and her friends use to race
>>> around to catch the suspects in the cartoon," the
>>> petition continues.
>>>
>>> In August, one YouTuber tweeted, "I am enjoying Velma in
>>> Multiversus but maining a character who's special move
>>> is calling the police on her enemies definitely don't
>>> sit right with me as a black man lol," adding, "'Get em
>>> sheriff!' that shit kills me Karen ultimate."
>>>
>>> "Get em sheriff!" ?? that shit kills me
>>>
>>> Karen ultimate
>>>
>>> -- he who vibes (@NgObscure) August 1, 2022
>>>
>>> "A predominant feature of the 'Karen' stereotype is that
>>> they weaponise their relative privilege against people
>>> of colour -- for example, when making police complaints
>>> against black people for minor or even -- in numerous
>>> cases -- fictitious infringements," the BBC explains.
>>>
>>> According to VentureBeat, "MultiVersus," which was
>>> introduced in July, garnered over 20 million users in
>>> the first month it was available.
>>>
>> 20 million people played it and 34 complained so they
>> made the change requested
>> by the miniscule number of complainers? It's going to be
>> interesting to see how the 20 million respond to this
>> change. It's going to be funny if many thousands of
>> people now complain about the changes they made to pander
>> to the tiny handful of complainers - and play something
>> else instead. I think this is going to be another case of
>> "go woke, go broke!"
>>
>
> Back in the late great days of laser disk, s company was
> producing these huge box sets, multi platter, multi
> hundreds of dollars. Of all the Looney Tunes cartoons. I
> believe it was called the golden age of Looney Tunes. One
> set had a World War II propaganda cartoon on it called
> ?Bugs Bunny nips the nips? They got one complaint, count
> them, one, from some mother in Ohio who didn?t think her
> kids should be seeing that cartoon. They canceled and
> recalled and eradicated every copy in existence that they
> could (I still have mine) and said they were going to
> re-issue it without that one cartoon (I don?t know if they
> ever actually did).
>
> One. Complaint.
>
> One.
>
> There are a lot of segments from it on the YouTube. Here?s
> one now!
>
> https://youtu.be/qL0s0fEjnXg
>
> Ian describes it in great detail here:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugs_Bunny_Nips_the_Nips?wprov=sfti1
>
>
>
I've got the VHS version of the WWII Looney Tunes cartoons
with some bozo narrator "explaining" them.

I'll have to re-check it out to see if the Nips cartoon
is included.

I also have the multi boxsets of the Golden Age of Looney
Tunes, but I doubt the Nips cartoon is on any of them
since the release dates are well past that one Ohio
person's complaints. I'll check 'em anyway.

Nyssa, who some day might actually get around to watching
all of those DVDs

On 2022-09-12 8:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-09-12 12:41 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>> "Black & Indigenous people of color around the world have
>>> suffered under police brutality ..."
>>>
>>> Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus" last week to prevent the
>>> Scooby Doo character Velma from calling the police.
>>>
>>> For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown The Mystery Inc. gang
>>> solving crimes and alerting police to the presence of potential criminals.
>>> But critics have recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing precisely what
>>> had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a "wanted" poster and calling the
>>> cops on characters from across the Warner Bros. Discovery catalog.
>>>
>>> "Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the mystery and calls the
>>> Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery Machine to take the bad guys away," Warner
>>> Brothers games announced last week.
>>>
>>> One petition that drew a bare 34 signatures lambasted Warner Brothers,
>>> stating, "Although historically, the Scooby Doo gang has (but not always)
>>> worked with the police to catch the suspect within the cartoons, this cop car
>>> is _not_ necessary in the game nor does it add meaning to her moveset. For
>>> decades, and especially in recent times, Black & Indigenous people of color
>>> around the world have suffered under police brutality and this cop car is
>>> ignoring the problem of police brutality in this day in age."
>>>
>>> "We the players of MultiVersus demand the devs from Player First Games to
>>> please reconsider the ultimate art of the cop car chase to be replaced by the
>>> Mystery Machine van chase that Velma and her friends use to race around to
>>> catch the suspects in the cartoon," the petition continues.
>>>
>>> In August, one YouTuber tweeted, "I am enjoying Velma in Multiversus but
>>> maining a character who's special move is calling the police on her enemies
>>> definitely don't sit right with me as a black man lol," adding, "'Get em
>>> sheriff!' that shit kills me Karen ultimate."
>>>
>>> "Get em sheriff!" ?? that shit kills me
>>>
>>> Karen ultimate
>>>
>>> -- he who vibes (@NgObscure) August 1, 2022
>>>
>>> "A predominant feature of the 'Karen' stereotype is that they weaponise their
>>> relative privilege against people of colour -- for example, when making
>>> police complaints against black people for minor or even -- in numerous cases
>>> -- fictitious infringements," the BBC explains.
>>>
>>> According to VentureBeat, "MultiVersus," which was introduced in July,
>>> garnered over 20 million users in the first month it was available.
>>>
>> 20 million people played it and 34 complained so they made the change
>> requested
>> by the miniscule number of complainers? It's going to be interesting to
>> see how the 20 million respond to this change. It's going to be funny if
>> many thousands of people now complain about the changes they made to
>> pander to the tiny handful of complainers - and play something else
>> instead. I think this is going to be another case of "go woke, go broke!"
>>
>
> Back in the late great days of laser disk, s company was producing these
> huge box sets, multi platter, multi hundreds of dollars. Of all the Looney
> Tunes cartoons. I believe it was called the golden age of Looney Tunes. One
> set had a World War II propaganda cartoon on it called “Bugs Bunny nips the
> nips“
> They got one complaint, count them, one, from some mother in Ohio who
> didn’t think her kids should be seeing that cartoon.
> They canceled and recalled and eradicated every copy in existence that they
> could (I still have mine) and said they were going to re-issue it without
> that one cartoon (I don’t know if they ever actually did).
>
> One. Complaint.
>
> One.
>
> There are a lot of segments from it on the YouTube. Here’s one now!
>
> https://youtu.be/qL0s0fEjnXg
>
> Ian describes it in great detail here:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugs_Bunny_Nips_the_Nips?wprov=sfti1
>
It's like the idiocy of banning license plates that a single person
finds "offensive". I've mentioned several such cases from this country.
Why do we pander to this nonsense? Where is the great harm if a tiny
number of people are offended by something? Or even a large number of
people? I am CONSTANTLY offended by this "woke" crap and no one panders
to me. I complain and then live with it, rolling my eyes fairly
frequently, and life goes on. What is wrong with THAT as a model for living?

--
Rhino

On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 11:20:54 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <tfnqvt$2aaap$3@dont-email.me>,
> Ubiquitous <weberm@polaris.net> wrote:
>
>> "Black & Indigenous people of color around the world have
>> suffered under police brutality ..."
>>
>> Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus" last week to prevent the
>> Scooby Doo character Velma from calling the police.
>>
>> For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown The Mystery Inc. gang
>> solving crimes and alerting police to the presence of potential criminals.
>> But critics have recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing precisely what
>> had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a "wanted" poster and calling the
>> cops on characters from across the Warner Bros. Discovery catalog.
>>
>> "Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the mystery and calls the
>> Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery Machine to take the bad guys away," Warner
>> Brothers games announced last week.
>
>So not only does the game teach that calling the cops on criminals is
>somehow a bad thing, it justifies vigilantism by having civilians with
>no law enforcement authority whatsoever literally shove people into
>their van and kidnap them.

That's what unlabled unnanounced alleged "federal officers" did in
Portland, and the local police, seeing an obvious kidnapping with
their own eyes, did ... nothing.

So, apparently, this is no longer a crime. At least if "they" are
being kidnapped.

Note: these mysterious boyos eventually established themselves as
legitimate and were required /by a Judge/ to each wear an identifying
number when they went outside, said number to be:
1. Different for each officer.
2. For each officer, the same number each time.
3. Associated on a list with that officer's name.

They also managed to "help" the situatioin by boosting the number of
protestors form around 100 to over 1000 in one day. Prolonging a
problem, IOW, that was just about to go away.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 17:15:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
wrote:

<snippo>

>Back in the late great days of laser disk, s company was producing these
>huge box sets, multi platter, multi hundreds of dollars. Of all the Looney
>Tunes cartoons. I believe it was called the golden age of Looney Tunes. One
>set had a World War II propaganda cartoon on it called “Bugs Bunny nips the
>nips“
>They got one complaint, count them, one, from some mother in Ohio who
>didn’t think her kids should be seeing that cartoon.
>They canceled and recalled and eradicated every copy in existence that they
>could (I still have mine) and said they were going to re-issue it without
>that one cartoon (I don’t know if they ever actually did).
>
>One. Complaint.
>
>One.
>
>There are a lot of segments from it on the YouTube. Here’s one now!
>
>https://youtu.be/qL0s0fEjnXg
>
>Ian describes it in great detail here:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugs_Bunny_Nips_the_Nips?wprov=sfti1

I'm surprised there was only 1 cartoon that caused problems.

There are many many cartoons that one would expect to cause problems.

Racist times produce racist cinema. And war produces propaganda, often
racist.

A more recent (now about two decades old, BTW) custom appears to have
two parts:
1. Include clear and obvious statements on the packaging that the
contents may be disturbing/repulsive to some viewers.
2. Require he viewer to start each individual cartoon separately, so
kids can get ahold of it and just watch all of them in sequence.

Except for Disney. The Disney approach was bowlderization. Which
apparently had some hilarious results.

And those older cartoons that are out of copyright appear on many
DVDs. These things are out there.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

Nyssa <Nyssa@LogicalInsight.net> wrote:
> anim8rfsk wrote:
>
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-09-12 12:41 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>> "Black & Indigenous people of color around the world
>>>> have suffered under police brutality ..."
>>>>
>>>> Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus"
>>>> last week to prevent the Scooby Doo character Velma from
>>>> calling the police.
>>>>
>>>> For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown
>>>> The Mystery Inc. gang solving crimes and alerting police
>>>> to the presence of potential criminals. But critics have
>>>> recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing precisely
>>>> what had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a
>>>> "wanted" poster and calling the cops on characters from
>>>> across the Warner Bros. Discovery catalog.
>>>>
>>>> "Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the
>>>> mystery and calls the Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery
>>>> Machine to take the bad guys away," Warner Brothers
>>>> games announced last week.
>>>>
>>>> One petition that drew a bare 34 signatures lambasted
>>>> Warner Brothers, stating, "Although historically, the
>>>> Scooby Doo gang has (but not always) worked with the
>>>> police to catch the suspect within the cartoons, this
>>>> cop car is _not_ necessary in the game nor does it add
>>>> meaning to her moveset. For decades, and especially in
>>>> recent times, Black & Indigenous people of color around
>>>> the world have suffered under police brutality and this
>>>> cop car is ignoring the problem of police brutality in
>>>> this day in age."
>>>>
>>>> "We the players of MultiVersus demand the devs from
>>>> Player First Games to please reconsider the ultimate art
>>>> of the cop car chase to be replaced by the Mystery
>>>> Machine van chase that Velma and her friends use to race
>>>> around to catch the suspects in the cartoon," the
>>>> petition continues.
>>>>
>>>> In August, one YouTuber tweeted, "I am enjoying Velma in
>>>> Multiversus but maining a character who's special move
>>>> is calling the police on her enemies definitely don't
>>>> sit right with me as a black man lol," adding, "'Get em
>>>> sheriff!' that shit kills me Karen ultimate."
>>>>
>>>> "Get em sheriff!" ?? that shit kills me
>>>>
>>>> Karen ultimate
>>>>
>>>> -- he who vibes (@NgObscure) August 1, 2022
>>>>
>>>> "A predominant feature of the 'Karen' stereotype is that
>>>> they weaponise their relative privilege against people
>>>> of colour -- for example, when making police complaints
>>>> against black people for minor or even -- in numerous
>>>> cases -- fictitious infringements," the BBC explains.
>>>>
>>>> According to VentureBeat, "MultiVersus," which was
>>>> introduced in July, garnered over 20 million users in
>>>> the first month it was available.
>>>>
>>> 20 million people played it and 34 complained so they
>>> made the change requested
>>> by the miniscule number of complainers? It's going to be
>>> interesting to see how the 20 million respond to this
>>> change. It's going to be funny if many thousands of
>>> people now complain about the changes they made to pander
>>> to the tiny handful of complainers - and play something
>>> else instead. I think this is going to be another case of
>>> "go woke, go broke!"
>>>
>>
>> Back in the late great days of laser disk, s company was
>> producing these huge box sets, multi platter, multi
>> hundreds of dollars. Of all the Looney Tunes cartoons. I
>> believe it was called the golden age of Looney Tunes. One
>> set had a World War II propaganda cartoon on it called
>> ?Bugs Bunny nips the nips? They got one complaint, count
>> them, one, from some mother in Ohio who didn?t think her
>> kids should be seeing that cartoon. They canceled and
>> recalled and eradicated every copy in existence that they
>> could (I still have mine) and said they were going to
>> re-issue it without that one cartoon (I don?t know if they
>> ever actually did).
>>
>> One. Complaint.
>>
>> One.
>>
>> There are a lot of segments from it on the YouTube. Here?s
>> one now!
>>
>> https://youtu.be/qL0s0fEjnXg
>>
>> Ian describes it in great detail here:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugs_Bunny_Nips_the_Nips?wprov=sfti1
>>
>>
>>
> I've got the VHS version of the WWII Looney Tunes cartoons
> with some bozo narrator "explaining" them.

Ack!

>
> I'll have to re-check it out to see if the Nips cartoon
> is included.
>
> I also have the multi boxsets of the Golden Age of Looney
> Tunes, but I doubt the Nips cartoon is on any of them
> since the release dates are well past that one Ohio
> person's complaints. I'll check 'em anyway.

Yeah, it could be possible somebody refused to ship them back.

>
> Nyssa, who some day might actually get around to watching
> all of those DVDs
>
>

:)

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
> On 2022-09-12 8:15 PM, anim8rfsk wrote:
>> Rhino <no_offline_contact@example.com> wrote:
>>> On 2022-09-12 12:41 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
>>>> "Black & Indigenous people of color around the world have
>>>> suffered under police brutality ..."
>>>>
>>>> Warner Brothers altered the video game "MultiVersus" last week to prevent the
>>>> Scooby Doo character Velma from calling the police.
>>>>
>>>> For nearly 50 years, the Scooby Doo franchise has shown The Mystery Inc. gang
>>>> solving crimes and alerting police to the presence of potential criminals.
>>>> But critics have recently labeled Velma a "Karen" for doing precisely what
>>>> had seemed innocent enough before, flashing a "wanted" poster and calling the
>>>> cops on characters from across the Warner Bros. Discovery catalog.
>>>>
>>>> "Instead of calling the police, Velma now solves the mystery and calls the
>>>> Mystery Inc. gang and the Mystery Machine to take the bad guys away," Warner
>>>> Brothers games announced last week.
>>>>
>>>> One petition that drew a bare 34 signatures lambasted Warner Brothers,
>>>> stating, "Although historically, the Scooby Doo gang has (but not always)
>>>> worked with the police to catch the suspect within the cartoons, this cop car
>>>> is _not_ necessary in the game nor does it add meaning to her moveset. For
>>>> decades, and especially in recent times, Black & Indigenous people of color
>>>> around the world have suffered under police brutality and this cop car is
>>>> ignoring the problem of police brutality in this day in age."
>>>>
>>>> "We the players of MultiVersus demand the devs from Player First Games to
>>>> please reconsider the ultimate art of the cop car chase to be replaced by the
>>>> Mystery Machine van chase that Velma and her friends use to race around to
>>>> catch the suspects in the cartoon," the petition continues.
>>>>
>>>> In August, one YouTuber tweeted, "I am enjoying Velma in Multiversus but
>>>> maining a character who's special move is calling the police on her enemies
>>>> definitely don't sit right with me as a black man lol," adding, "'Get em
>>>> sheriff!' that shit kills me Karen ultimate."
>>>>
>>>> "Get em sheriff!" ?? that shit kills me
>>>>
>>>> Karen ultimate
>>>>
>>>> -- he who vibes (@NgObscure) August 1, 2022
>>>>
>>>> "A predominant feature of the 'Karen' stereotype is that they weaponise their
>>>> relative privilege against people of colour -- for example, when making
>>>> police complaints against black people for minor or even -- in numerous cases
>>>> -- fictitious infringements," the BBC explains.
>>>>
>>>> According to VentureBeat, "MultiVersus," which was introduced in July,
>>>> garnered over 20 million users in the first month it was available.
>>>>
>>> 20 million people played it and 34 complained so they made the change
>>> requested
>>> by the miniscule number of complainers? It's going to be interesting to
>>> see how the 20 million respond to this change. It's going to be funny if
>>> many thousands of people now complain about the changes they made to
>>> pander to the tiny handful of complainers - and play something else
>>> instead. I think this is going to be another case of "go woke, go broke!"
>>>
>>
>> Back in the late great days of laser disk, s company was producing these
>> huge box sets, multi platter, multi hundreds of dollars. Of all the Looney
>> Tunes cartoons. I believe it was called the golden age of Looney Tunes. One
>> set had a World War II propaganda cartoon on it called “Bugs Bunny nips the
>> nips“
>> They got one complaint, count them, one, from some mother in Ohio who
>> didn’t think her kids should be seeing that cartoon.
>> They canceled and recalled and eradicated every copy in existence that they
>> could (I still have mine) and said they were going to re-issue it without
>> that one cartoon (I don’t know if they ever actually did).
>>
>> One. Complaint.
>>
>> One.
>>
>> There are a lot of segments from it on the YouTube. Here’s one now!
>>
>> https://youtu.be/qL0s0fEjnXg
>>
>> Ian describes it in great detail here:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bugs_Bunny_Nips_the_Nips?wprov=sfti1
>>
> It's like the idiocy of banning license plates that a single person
> finds "offensive". I've mentioned several such cases from this country.
> Why do we pander to this nonsense? Where is the great harm if a tiny
> number of people are offended by something? Or even a large number of
> people? I am CONSTANTLY offended by this "woke" crap and no one panders
> to me. I complain and then live with it, rolling my eyes fairly
> frequently, and life goes on. What is wrong with THAT as a model for living?
>
>

+1

--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 17:15:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

>>. . .

>I'm surprised there was only 1 cartoon that caused problems.

>There are many many cartoons that one would expect to cause problems.

>Racist times produce racist cinema.

Every time in history is a racist time. I have absolutely no doubt that
people in future will look down upon the inferiority of human social
structures and the way we entertain and communicate in the decades that
I've lived in. Of course we are also going to be laughing stocks.

>And war produces propaganda, often racist.

That's unfair. The conflicts that led to WWII had absolutely nothing to
do with an adversarial relationship between the Empire of Japan and the
United States due to racism.

War is about KILLING THE ENEMY. They want to kill us. We want to kill
them. Propoganda is used to make the enemy as unsympathetic as possible.
Japan produced its own propoganda, none of which made the people of the
United States sympathetic.

There was racism versus Chinese immigrants to the western United States,
which was blatant. And yet, diplomatically and militarily, the United
States and China were allies prior to Mao's successful revolution.

>A more recent (now about two decades old, BTW) custom appears to have
>two parts:
>1. Include clear and obvious statements on the packaging that the
>contents may be disturbing/repulsive to some viewers.
>2. Require he viewer to start each individual cartoon separately, so
>kids can get ahold of it and just watch all of them in sequence.

>Except for Disney. The Disney approach was bowlderization. Which
>apparently had some hilarious results.

Good point

>And those older cartoons that are out of copyright appear on many
>DVDs. These things are out there.

Zzzzz

In article <tfqnt6$2lmgm$1@dont-email.me>, ahk@chinet.com wrote:
>
>
>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 17:15:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>. . .
>
>>I'm surprised there was only 1 cartoon that caused problems.
>
>>There are many many cartoons that one would expect to cause problems.
>
>>Racist times produce racist cinema.
>
>Every time in history is a racist time. I have absolutely no doubt that
>people in future will look down upon the inferiority of human social
>structures and the way we entertain and communicate in the decades that
>I've lived in. Of course we are also going to be laughing stocks.
>
>>And war produces propaganda, often racist.
>
>That's unfair. The conflicts that led to WWII had absolutely nothing to
>do with an adversarial relationship between the Empire of Japan and the
>United States due to racism.
>
>War is about KILLING THE ENEMY. They want to kill us. We want to kill
>them. Propoganda is used to make the enemy as unsympathetic as possible.
>Japan produced its own propoganda, none of which made the people of the
>United States sympathetic.
>
>There was racism versus Chinese immigrants to the western United States,
>which was blatant. And yet, diplomatically and militarily, the United
>States and China were allies prior to Mao's successful revolution.
>
>>A more recent (now about two decades old, BTW) custom appears to have
>>two parts:
>>1. Include clear and obvious statements on the packaging that the
>>contents may be disturbing/repulsive to some viewers.
>>2. Require he viewer to start each individual cartoon separately, so
>>kids can get ahold of it and just watch all of them in sequence.
>
>>Except for Disney. The Disney approach was bowlderization. Which
>>apparently had some hilarious results.
>
>Good point
>
>>And those older cartoons that are out of copyright appear on many
>>DVDs. These things are out there.

Zzzzz


On Tue, 13 Sep 2022 20:07:02 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
<ahk@chinet.com> wrote:

>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 17:15:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>>. . .
>
>>I'm surprised there was only 1 cartoon that caused problems.
>
>>There are many many cartoons that one would expect to cause problems.
>
>>Racist times produce racist cinema.
>
>Every time in history is a racist time. I have absolutely no doubt that
>people in future will look down upon the inferiority of human social
>structures and the way we entertain and communicate in the decades that
>I've lived in. Of course we are also going to be laughing stocks.

Looks like I punched a button here.

>>And war produces propaganda, often racist.
>
>That's unfair. The conflicts that led to WWII had absolutely nothing to
>do with an adversarial relationship between the Empire of Japan and the
>United States due to racism.

Looks like I punched a button here too.

The Naval Attache to Japan, in the late 30s, reported faithfully to
his superior that Japan had an aircraft that could beat the socks off
of anything the USA had. That superior, a racist who believed that no
yellow man could do anything better than any white man, trashed the
report. One reason for the success of Japanese aviation in the early
part of the war was because of /our/ racism towards /them/.

>War is about KILLING THE ENEMY. They want to kill us. We want to kill
>them. Propoganda is used to make the enemy as unsympathetic as possible.
>Japan produced its own propoganda, none of which made the people of the
>United States sympathetic.

Wow, that button must have been pressed real hard!

My maternal grandparents had their house egged in WWI because their
name (Steinhoff) was German. You might want to look at how Germans
were portrayed, and realize that racism applied to the various other
"white" races as well as to all the others.

>There was racism versus Chinese immigrants to the western United States,
>which was blatant. And yet, diplomatically and militarily, the United
>States and China were allies prior to Mao's successful revolution.

Diplomacy is not domestic behavior.

>>A more recent (now about two decades old, BTW) custom appears to have
>>two parts:
>>1. Include clear and obvious statements on the packaging that the
>>contents may be disturbing/repulsive to some viewers.
>>2. Require he viewer to start each individual cartoon separately, so
>>kids can get ahold of it and just watch all of them in sequence.
>
>>Except for Disney. The Disney approach was bowlderization. Which
>>apparently had some hilarious results.
>
>Good point
>
>>And those older cartoons that are out of copyright appear on many
>>DVDs. These things are out there.
--
"In this connexion, unquestionably the most significant
development was the disintegration, under Christian
influence, of classical conceptions of the family and
of family right."

Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>Tue, 13 Sep 2022 20:07:02 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>Paul S Person <psperson@old.netcom.invalid> wrote:
>>>On Mon, 12 Sep 2022 17:15:56 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net> wrote:

>>>>. . .

>>>I'm surprised there was only 1 cartoon that caused problems.

>>>There are many many cartoons that one would expect to cause problems.

>>>Racist times produce racist cinema.

>>Every time in history is a racist time. I have absolutely no doubt that
>>people in future will look down upon the inferiority of human social
>>structures and the way we entertain and communicate in the decades that
>>I've lived in. Of course we are also going to be laughing stocks.

>Looks like I punched a button here.

You're kidding, right? Every historian writes history as filtered
through his own experiences and perceptions. It's literally impossible
to write history in the context of the era being described. Because of
this, people in future are inclined to look down upon the social
attitudes and social structures of the past, always telling themselves
that human existence has always built upon the past and there are never
any setbacks. It's just straight progress.

People kid themselves.

>>>And war produces propaganda, often racist.

>>That's unfair. The conflicts that led to WWII had absolutely nothing to
>>do with an adversarial relationship between the Empire of Japan and the
>>United States due to racism.

>Looks like I punched a button here too.

>The Naval Attache to Japan, in the late 30s, reported faithfully to
>his superior that Japan had an aircraft that could beat the socks off
>of anything the USA had. That superior, a racist who believed that no
>yellow man could do anything better than any white man, trashed the
>report. One reason for the success of Japanese aviation in the early
>part of the war was because of /our/ racism towards /them/.

I am not disputing that, and you've made a very good point about willful
ignorance. I am disputing the notion that racism is one of the
causes of the war between the United States and Japan and that the
existence of anti-Japanese propoganda made during the war is evidence of
deadly racists attitudes that existed prior to the war and therefore
caused the war.

Others have made that argument explicity in recent years, without
offering evidence.

>>War is about KILLING THE ENEMY. They want to kill us. We want to kill
>>them. Propoganda is used to make the enemy as unsympathetic as possible.
>>Japan produced its own propoganda, none of which made the people of the
>>United States sympathetic.

>Wow, that button must have been pressed real hard!

>My maternal grandparents had their house egged in WWI because their
>name (Steinhoff) was German. You might want to look at how Germans
>were portrayed, and realize that racism applied to the various other
>"white" races as well as to all the others.

Let's not call that racism, ok? Yes, I am well aware of how much
anti-German sentiment existed during the WWI era, and we all recall that
the Royal House of England was renamed "House of Windsor" hoping that
all UK subjects would ignore that they had to import their princes from
Germany to avoid having another Catholic king or queen.

The United States isn't responsible for starting WWI either. Pretty much
every country in Europe (except maybe Andorra) bears responsibility for
that. They're all white, so not racism.

>>There was racism versus Chinese immigrants to the western United States,
>>which was blatant. And yet, diplomatically and militarily, the United
>>States and China were allies prior to Mao's successful revolution.

>Diplomacy is not domestic behavior.

Isn't it? The two cannot be separated and diplomats argue against ill
treatment of their own citizens in foreign countries all the time. Ill
treatment of foreign citizens absolutely causes diplomatic rifts.

I'm just pointing out the speciousness of the "racism the war between
Japan and the United States" based on the Chinese example. Are you agreeing
with me or still disputing that? If it was racism, then we'd have been
at war with China and not Japan.

>>>. . .