I saw a new variation on an old theme whilst traveling home yesterday.
My welcome back to Dear Old Blighty included a train strike and a
station closure which is how I ended up in a Rail Replacement Bus
which was a coach being run on behalf of the one train company
servicing MAN that wasn't on strike.

Which is where I saw this sign:

Please do not
use the toilet whilst the vehicle
is in motion as
insurance will be void.
This is a health and safety
requirement.

The toilet in question is in the middle of the coach, to the right as
you go down the same set of steps that lead to the middle exit.

Plainly, the coach driver is not going to stop every time a member of
Urinary Incontinence Club, on their annual outing, asks them so what
are they supposed to do? Where are they supposed to "go?" (PS I likes
the way the writer managed to smuggle "motion" into a sign about
loos.)

If the vehicle insurance can so easily be voided, how is the coach
legal to drive on the roads?

If it's passenger liability insurance then wouldn't that be an unfair
term of contract?

And either way, how is that a Health and Safety requirement?

Nick

On 03/03/2024 15:58, Nick Odell wrote:

> If it's passenger liability insurance then wouldn't that be an unfair
> term of contract?

There's no requirement on a bus to have a toilet at all. If they do have
a toilet, but it's only safe to use when the bus is stationary, then the
bus company is entitled to say that.

To be frank, I'm struggling to see what you are worrying about? If you
are incontinent, you can always use a pad. Or, take your chance in an
unsafe toilet. Your choice.

>
> And either way, how is that a Health and Safety requirement?
>
> Nick
>

On 03/03/2024 16:23, GB wrote:
> On 03/03/2024 15:58, Nick Odell wrote:
>
>> If it's passenger liability insurance then wouldn't that be an unfair
>> term of contract?
>
> There's no requirement on a bus to have a toilet at all. If they do have
> a toilet, but it's only safe to use when the bus is stationary, then the
> bus company is entitled to say that.
>
> To be frank, I'm struggling to see what you are worrying about?  If you
> are incontinent, you can always use a pad.

I suggest you try using one before recommending them.They have a limited
capacity before they leak.

> Or, take your chance in an
> unsafe toilet. Your choice.
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> And either way, how is that a Health and Safety requirement?
>>
>> Nick
>>
>
>

--
Colin Bignell

On 03/03/2024 18:24, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 03/03/2024 16:23, GB wrote:
>> On 03/03/2024 15:58, Nick Odell wrote:
>>
>>> If it's passenger liability insurance then wouldn't that be an unfair
>>> term of contract?
>>
>> There's no requirement on a bus to have a toilet at all. If they do
>> have a toilet, but it's only safe to use when the bus is stationary,
>> then the bus company is entitled to say that.
>>
>> To be frank, I'm struggling to see what you are worrying about?  If
>> you are incontinent, you can always use a pad.
>
> I suggest you try using one before recommending them.They have a limited
> capacity before they leak.
>
>> Or, take your chance in an unsafe toilet. Your choice.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> And either way, how is that a Health and Safety requirement?
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>
>>
>
Many years ago, on a ski coach in Austria, the driver announced in
strongly German-accented English: "... und plees do not use zee toilet.
Last veek zey used zee toilet und, ven I braked, zee durties came all ze
vay down ze bus" ... we nearly wet ourselves from laughing.

On 03/03/2024 18:24, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 03/03/2024 16:23, GB wrote:
>> On 03/03/2024 15:58, Nick Odell wrote:
>>
>>> If it's passenger liability insurance then wouldn't that be an unfair
>>> term of contract?
>>
>> There's no requirement on a bus to have a toilet at all. If they do
>> have a toilet, but it's only safe to use when the bus is stationary,
>> then the bus company is entitled to say that.
>>
>> To be frank, I'm struggling to see what you are worrying about?  If
>> you are incontinent, you can always use a pad.
>
> I suggest you try using one before recommending them.They have a limited
> capacity before they leak.

I haven't had to use one (yet), but Age UK claim a capacity of up to 3.5
litres for some of theirs.

https://www.ageukincontinence.co.uk/incontinence-shop/disposable-incontinence-products/large-shaped-pads.html

>
>> Or, take your chance in an unsafe toilet. Your choice.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> And either way, how is that a Health and Safety requirement?
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>
>>
>

On 05/03/2024 12:43, GB wrote:
> On 03/03/2024 18:24, Colin Bignell wrote:
>> On 03/03/2024 16:23, GB wrote:
>>> On 03/03/2024 15:58, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>
>>>> If it's passenger liability insurance then wouldn't that be an unfair
>>>> term of contract?
>>>
>>> There's no requirement on a bus to have a toilet at all. If they do
>>> have a toilet, but it's only safe to use when the bus is stationary,
>>> then the bus company is entitled to say that.
>>>
>>> To be frank, I'm struggling to see what you are worrying about?  If
>>> you are incontinent, you can always use a pad.
>>
>> I suggest you try using one before recommending them.They have a
>> limited capacity before they leak.
>
> I haven't had to use one (yet), but Age UK claim a capacity of up to 3.5
> litres for some of theirs.
>
> https://www.ageukincontinence.co.uk/incontinence-shop/disposable-incontinence-products/large-shaped-pads.html
>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TGv9YftAWQ

--
Colin Bignell

On 05/03/2024 13:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
> On 05/03/2024 12:43, GB wrote:
>> On 03/03/2024 18:24, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>> On 03/03/2024 16:23, GB wrote:
>>>> On 03/03/2024 15:58, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If it's passenger liability insurance then wouldn't that be an unfair
>>>>> term of contract?
>>>>
>>>> There's no requirement on a bus to have a toilet at all. If they do
>>>> have a toilet, but it's only safe to use when the bus is stationary,
>>>> then the bus company is entitled to say that.
>>>>
>>>> To be frank, I'm struggling to see what you are worrying about?  If
>>>> you are incontinent, you can always use a pad.
>>>
>>> I suggest you try using one before recommending them.They have a
>>> limited capacity before they leak.
>>
>> I haven't had to use one (yet), but Age UK claim a capacity of up to
>> 3.5 litres for some of theirs.
>>
>> https://www.ageukincontinence.co.uk/incontinence-shop/disposable-incontinence-products/large-shaped-pads.html
>>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TGv9YftAWQ
>

I'm afraid that there are a couple of comics I cannot stand watching,
and he's on the list.

I managed around half a minute of that video, during which he literally
laughed at incontinent people. Given his various serious ailments, I
suspect that he's a keen user of incontinence pads himself, now.

On 05/03/2024 14:20, GB wrote:
> On 05/03/2024 13:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
>> On 05/03/2024 12:43, GB wrote:
>>> On 03/03/2024 18:24, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>>> On 03/03/2024 16:23, GB wrote:
>>>>> On 03/03/2024 15:58, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If it's passenger liability insurance then wouldn't that be an unfair
>>>>>> term of contract?
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no requirement on a bus to have a toilet at all. If they do
>>>>> have a toilet, but it's only safe to use when the bus is
>>>>> stationary, then the bus company is entitled to say that.
>>>>>
>>>>> To be frank, I'm struggling to see what you are worrying about?  If
>>>>> you are incontinent, you can always use a pad.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest you try using one before recommending them.They have a
>>>> limited capacity before they leak.
>>>
>>> I haven't had to use one (yet), but Age UK claim a capacity of up to
>>> 3.5 litres for some of theirs.
>>>
>>> https://www.ageukincontinence.co.uk/incontinence-shop/disposable-incontinence-products/large-shaped-pads.html
>>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TGv9YftAWQ
>>
>
> I'm afraid that there are a couple of comics I cannot stand watching,
> and he's on the list.
>
> I managed around half a minute of that video, during which he literally
> laughed at incontinent people. Given his various serious ailments, I
> suspect that he's a keen user of incontinence pads himself, now.

I wouldn't be surprised. He suffers from lots of complaints, and
regales in recounting many of his own very personal experiences at the
hands of the medical profession. He's not laughing at others so much as
at himself and embarrassing situations in general.

You probably won't like this example either, but I do:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvrzUngEQRw&ab_channel=BillyConnolly

On 05/03/2024 14:20, GB wrote:
> On 05/03/2024 13:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
>> On 05/03/2024 12:43, GB wrote:
>>> On 03/03/2024 18:24, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>>> On 03/03/2024 16:23, GB wrote:
>>>>> On 03/03/2024 15:58, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> If it's passenger liability insurance then wouldn't that be an unfair
>>>>>> term of contract?
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no requirement on a bus to have a toilet at all. If they do
>>>>> have a toilet, but it's only safe to use when the bus is
>>>>> stationary, then the bus company is entitled to say that.
>>>>>
>>>>> To be frank, I'm struggling to see what you are worrying about?  If
>>>>> you are incontinent, you can always use a pad.
>>>>
>>>> I suggest you try using one before recommending them.They have a
>>>> limited capacity before they leak.
>>>
>>> I haven't had to use one (yet), but Age UK claim a capacity of up to
>>> 3.5 litres for some of theirs.
>>>
>>> https://www.ageukincontinence.co.uk/incontinence-shop/disposable-incontinence-products/large-shaped-pads.html
>>>
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TGv9YftAWQ
>>
>
> I'm afraid that there are a couple of comics I cannot stand watching,
> and he's on the list.

My list is the two Carrs.

> I managed around half a minute of that video, during which he literally
> laughed at incontinent people.

I saw that as satirising those who do.

> Given his various serious ailments, I
> suspect that he's a keen user of incontinence pads himself, now.

I hope they are more effective than the ones my late father had to wear.
I gave him a cushion to sit on when I drove him anywhere, as it it hid
the towel I put on the seat. The pads may work well under laboratory
conditions, but they do leak in real life.

--
Colin Bignell

"Norman Wells" <hex@unseen.ac.am> wrote in message
news:l4oss8Fe1kvU5@mid.individual.net...
> On 05/03/2024 14:20, GB wrote:
>> On 05/03/2024 13:46, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>> On 05/03/2024 12:43, GB wrote:
>>>> On 03/03/2024 18:24, Colin Bignell wrote:
>>>>> On 03/03/2024 16:23, GB wrote:
>>>>>> On 03/03/2024 15:58, Nick Odell wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If it's passenger liability insurance then wouldn't that be an unfair
>>>>>>> term of contract?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's no requirement on a bus to have a toilet at all. If they do have a toilet,
>>>>>> but it's only safe to use when the bus is stationary, then the bus company is
>>>>>> entitled to say that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To be frank, I'm struggling to see what you are worrying about? If you are
>>>>>> incontinent, you can always use a pad.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest you try using one before recommending them.They have a limited capacity
>>>>> before they leak.
>>>>
>>>> I haven't had to use one (yet), but Age UK claim a capacity of up to 3.5 litres for
>>>> some of theirs.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.ageukincontinence.co.uk/incontinence-shop/disposable-incontinence-products/large-shaped-pads.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TGv9YftAWQ
>>>
>>
>> I'm afraid that there are a couple of comics I cannot stand watching, and he's on the
>> list.
>>
>> I managed around half a minute of that video, during which he literally laughed at
>> incontinent people. Given his various serious ailments, I suspect that he's a keen
>> user of incontinence pads himself, now.
>
> I wouldn't be surprised. He suffers from lots of complaints, and regales in recounting
> many of his own very personal experiences at the hands of the medical profession. He's
> not laughing at others so much as at himself and embarrassing situations in general.
>
> You probably won't like this example either, but I do:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvrzUngEQRw&ab_channel=BillyConnolly

Billy Connolly was a breath of fresh air when he first appeared on our TV screens
with his hilarious stories about his former life as a welder working in the
Glasgow shipyards and the people he worked with.

That lasted for around 30 minutes.or so

While in the opinion of some people at least over the ensuing 45 years of so
he became progressively less and funny with each successive appearance as he
gradually ran our of new material.

Often in conversation with Michael Parkinson; who at one time actually
wrote a very amusing column about watching Barnsley Football Club and Skinner
Normanton in particular, in the pre-Murdoch "Sunday Times".

bb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinner_Normanton

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