Good morning,

this musical chairs thing is becoming more annoying to me as I lost a
planned recording of BBC Four last night.

Can anyone please tell me to which transponder BBC2 and BBC Four have
moved to.

Many thanks.

On 15/02/2023 07:45, Eddie King wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> this musical chairs thing is becoming more annoying to me as I lost a
> planned recording of BBC Four last night.
>
> Can anyone please tell me to which transponder BBC2 and BBC Four have
> moved to.
>
> Many thanks.
SD versions are at

12.422 H, 27.5, 2/3, DVB-S

On 15/02/2023 07:59, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 15/02/2023 07:45, Eddie King wrote:
>> Good morning,
>>
>> this musical chairs thing is becoming more annoying to me as I lost a
>> planned recording of BBC Four last night.
>>
>> Can anyone please tell me to which transponder BBC2 and BBC Four have
>> moved to.
>>
>> Many thanks.
> SD versions are at
>
> 12.422 H, 27.5, 2/3, DVB-S

I think the plan is for all the SD versions of BBC TV channels (and also
radio channels) to move to 12422, leaving 10733, 10788 etc for HD
variants as they gradually come on line.

I noticed that BBC Four had moved - luckily *before* anything I'd
scheduled to record. Likewise for Radio 4 a few days ago.

I don't know what the BBC's long-term intention is for 12422. I gather
that the SD TV channels will eventually disappear from it (shame they
can't keep one region-independent version forever), but will radio move
again?

On 15/02/2023 08:27, NY wrote:
> On 15/02/2023 07:59, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 15/02/2023 07:45, Eddie King wrote:
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> this musical chairs thing is becoming more annoying to me as I lost
>>> a planned recording of BBC Four last night.
>>>
>>> Can anyone please tell me to which transponder BBC2 and BBC Four
>>> have moved to.
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>> SD versions are at
>>
>> 12.422 H, 27.5, 2/3, DVB-S
>
> I think the plan is for all the SD versions of BBC TV channels (and
> also radio channels) to move to 12422, leaving 10733, 10788 etc for HD
> variants as they gradually come on line.
>
>

It looks that way. It wouldn't surprise me if eventually the BBC SD
channels are squashed down to 544 x 576, and ITV/4/5 stick their PSB
legacy SD stuff on there too, making just a single t/p for all
'essential' PSB SD services.

It really depends how many Sky and Freesat SD only boxes are still in
use by this time next year. (Folk with vanilla D-Sat boxes won't count)

On 15.02.2023 08:59, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 15/02/2023 07:45, Eddie King wrote:
>> Good morning,
>>
>> this musical chairs thing is becoming more annoying to me as I lost a
>> planned recording of BBC Four last night.
>>
>> Can anyone please tell me to which transponder BBC2 and BBC Four have
>> moved to.
>>
>> Many thanks.
> SD versions are at
>
> 12.422 H, 27.5, 2/3, DVB-S

Thank you again for your helpful replies. Unfortunately 12422H is not
the most stable transponder here. Once all this moving around is
complete I might try tweaking the dish and/or lnb skew.

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 08:33:22 +0000, Mark Carver
<mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:

>On 15/02/2023 08:27, NY wrote:
>> On 15/02/2023 07:59, Mark Carver wrote:
>>> On 15/02/2023 07:45, Eddie King wrote:
>>>> Good morning,
>>>>
>>>> this musical chairs thing is becoming more annoying to me as I lost
>>>> a planned recording of BBC Four last night.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone please tell me to which transponder BBC2 and BBC Four
>>>> have moved to.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks.
>>> SD versions are at
>>>
>>> 12.422 H, 27.5, 2/3, DVB-S
>>
>> I think the plan is for all the SD versions of BBC TV channels (and
>> also radio channels) to move to 12422, leaving 10733, 10788 etc for HD
>> variants as they gradually come on line.
>
>It looks that way. It wouldn't surprise me if eventually the BBC SD
>channels are squashed down to 544 x 576, and ITV/4/5 stick their PSB
>legacy SD stuff on there too, making just a single t/p for all
>'essential' PSB SD services.
>
>It really depends how many Sky and Freesat SD only boxes are still in
>use by this time next year. (Folk with vanilla D-Sat boxes won't count)

I take it you can always feed an HD decoder box output to an SD TV? I
feed from an HD decoder to a CRT televison in my kitchen.

"Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
news:gagquh965alttf3ku4b8uene6867m9ubpi@4ax.com...
> I take it you can always feed an HD decoder box output to an SD TV? I
> feed from an HD decoder to a CRT televison in my kitchen.

I suppose it depends whether the HD box has the ability to downscale and
output SD over its HDMI link. If it's feeding a CRT TV then it's definitely
able to downscale to SD and it's probably using analogue video, either
baseband over SCART or modulated to UHF over aerial cable. (Were any CRT TVs
ever made with HDMI inputs?)

The converse is almost certain to be true: an HD TV will be able to accept
an SD signal over its HDMI input.

On 15/02/2023 20:34, Scott wrote:
> I take it you can always feed an HD decoder box output to an SD TV? I
> feed from an HD decoder to a CRT televison in my kitchen.

An SD television probably needs an SD signal, it almost definitely does
if it's a CRT.

It's down to the individual box whether it can output SD at all and/or
SD when tuned to an HD signal, but many can.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

On 15/02/2023 07:45, Eddie King wrote:
> Good morning,
>
> this musical chairs thing is becoming more annoying to me as I lost a
> planned recording of BBC Four last night.
>
> Can anyone please tell me to which transponder BBC2 and BBC Four have
> moved to.
>
> Many thanks.

This:

<https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Channels_testing_%26_channels_not_on_Sky%27s_EPG_(UK_%26_Ireland)>

is the best resource I have found for keeping track of Astra 2
transponder changes.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

On 15/02/2023 21:24, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 15/02/2023 20:34, Scott wrote:
>> I take it you can always feed an HD decoder box output to an SD TV?  I
>> feed from an HD decoder to a CRT televison in my kitchen.
>
> An SD television probably needs an SD signal, it almost definitely
> does if it's a CRT.
>
> It's down to the individual box whether it can output SD at all and/or
> SD when tuned to an HD signal, but many can.
>
Part of the HDMI handshake is to negotiate the maximum resolution the
display device can handle.
However, I can't imagine too many TV sets with HDMI, that are not also
HD displays (in built tuners are another matter)

CRT TVs will be almost exclusively SD, and are unlikely to have HDMI,
just Scart or analogue composite. Modern set top boxes only have HDMI
outputs now.

Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 15/02/2023 21:24, Brian Gregory wrote:
>> On 15/02/2023 20:34, Scott wrote:
>>> I take it you can always feed an HD decoder box output to an SD TV?  I
>>> feed from an HD decoder to a CRT televison in my kitchen.
>>
>> An SD television probably needs an SD signal, it almost definitely
>> does if it's a CRT.
>>
>> It's down to the individual box whether it can output SD at all and/or
>> SD when tuned to an HD signal, but many can.
>>
> Part of the HDMI handshake is to negotiate the maximum resolution the
> display device can handle.
> However, I can't imagine too many TV sets with HDMI, that are not also
> HD displays (in built tuners are another matter)
>
> CRT TVs will be almost exclusively SD, and are unlikely to have HDMI,
> just Scart or analogue composite. Modern set top boxes only have HDMI
> outputs now.
>

There comes a time where ancient kit needs to go to the tip. New stuff is
quite cheap these days.

On 16/02/2023 08:50, Tweed wrote:
> Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> On 15/02/2023 21:24, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>> On 15/02/2023 20:34, Scott wrote:
>>>> I take it you can always feed an HD decoder box output to an SD TV?  I
>>>> feed from an HD decoder to a CRT televison in my kitchen.
>>> An SD television probably needs an SD signal, it almost definitely
>>> does if it's a CRT.
>>>
>>> It's down to the individual box whether it can output SD at all and/or
>>> SD when tuned to an HD signal, but many can.
>>>
>> Part of the HDMI handshake is to negotiate the maximum resolution the
>> display device can handle.
>> However, I can't imagine too many TV sets with HDMI, that are not also
>> HD displays (in built tuners are another matter)
>>
>> CRT TVs will be almost exclusively SD, and are unlikely to have HDMI,
>> just Scart or analogue composite. Modern set top boxes only have HDMI
>> outputs now.
>>
> There comes a time where ancient kit needs to go to the tip. New stuff is
> quite cheap these days.
>
Indeed. I've got a loyalty card for Hampshire Domestic Recycling sites !

On 16.02.2023 05:07, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 15/02/2023 07:45, Eddie King wrote:
>> Good morning,
>>
>> this musical chairs thing is becoming more annoying to me as I lost a
>> planned recording of BBC Four last night.
>>
>> Can anyone please tell me to which transponder BBC2 and BBC Four have
>> moved to.
>>
>> Many thanks.
>
> This:
>
> <https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Channels_testing_%26_channels_not_on_Sky%27s_EPG_(UK_%26_Ireland)>
>
> is the best resource I have found for keeping track of Astra 2
> transponder changes.
>

Thank you, very helpful site, have bookmarked it.

It kind of makes you wonder if a communications company actually has a
customer communications department.
I get the impressing at the moment that all entities and organisations are
arrogant enough that folk will be hanging on their every word, constantly
logged in and never missing anything, when in reality, people who need info
aare very seldom on the Internet, that was just yesterdays hype, so never
get to hear anything of use.
Brian

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"Eddie King" <xxxeddie_ce@gmx.net> wrote in message
news:k56sdiFtkrqU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 16.02.2023 05:07, Brian Gregory wrote:
>> On 15/02/2023 07:45, Eddie King wrote:
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> this musical chairs thing is becoming more annoying to me as I lost a
>>> planned recording of BBC Four last night.
>>>
>>> Can anyone please tell me to which transponder BBC2 and BBC Four have
>>> moved to.
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>
>> This:
>>
>> <https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Channels_testing_%26_channels_not_on_Sky%27s_EPG_(UK_%26_Ireland)>
>>
>> is the best resource I have found for keeping track of Astra 2
>> transponder changes.
>>
>
> Thank you, very helpful site, have bookmarked it.

On 16/02/2023 14:20, Eddie King wrote:
> On 16.02.2023 05:07, Brian Gregory wrote:
>> On 15/02/2023 07:45, Eddie King wrote:
>>> Good morning,
>>>
>>> this musical chairs thing is becoming more annoying to me as I lost a
>>> planned recording of BBC Four last night.
>>>
>>> Can anyone please tell me to which transponder BBC2 and BBC Four have
>>> moved to.
>>>
>>> Many thanks.
>>
>> This:
>>
>> <https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Channels_testing_%26_channels_not_on_Sky%27s_EPG_(UK_%26_Ireland)>
>>
>> is the best resource I have found for keeping track of Astra 2
>> transponder changes.
>>
>
> Thank you, very helpful site, have bookmarked it.

AIUI this round of changes should be over now.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

Brian Gregory wrote:

> AIUI this round of changes should be over now.

Yes, I finally bothered to tune ONE EMidsHD and delete the National ONE
HD, the quality of the upscaled SD for the news inserts is pretty good.

"Brian Gregory" <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote in message
news:k5setmF9ndvU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 16/02/2023 14:20, Eddie King wrote:
>> On 16.02.2023 05:07, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>> On 15/02/2023 07:45, Eddie King wrote:
>>>> Good morning,
>>>>
>>>> this musical chairs thing is becoming more annoying to me as I lost a
>>>> planned recording of BBC Four last night.
>>>>
>>>> Can anyone please tell me to which transponder BBC2 and BBC Four have
>>>> moved to.
>>>>
>>>> Many thanks.
>>>
>>> This:
>>>
>>> <https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Channels_testing_%26_channels_not_on_Sky%27s_EPG_(UK_%26_Ireland)>
>>>
>>> is the best resource I have found for keeping track of Astra 2
>>> transponder changes.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you, very helpful site, have bookmarked it.
>
> AIUI this round of changes should be over now.

Is the intention that multiplex 10803H will be used again in the future? BBC
cleared it of all streams and almost all tables yesterday.

And what about the duplicate radio stations R1, 2, 3, 4 which are on both
11023H and 12421H? Which is the definitive long-term version? Will
everything in 12421H be moving elsewhere when the SD versions of BBC TV
channels are closed down in about year's time?

On Sat 25/02/2023 11:18, NY wrote:
> "Brian Gregory" <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote in
> message news:k5setmF9ndvU1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 16/02/2023 14:20, Eddie King wrote:
>>> On 16.02.2023 05:07, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>> On 15/02/2023 07:45, Eddie King wrote:
>>>>> Good morning,
>>>>>
>>>>> this musical chairs thing is becoming more annoying to me as I lost
>>>>> a planned recording of BBC Four last night.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can anyone please tell me to which transponder BBC2 and BBC Four
>>>>> have moved to.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>
>>>> This:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Channels_testing_%26_channels_not_on_Sky%27s_EPG_(UK_%26_Ireland)>
>>>>
>>>> is the best resource I have found for keeping track of Astra 2
>>>> transponder changes.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you, very helpful site, have bookmarked it.
>>
>> AIUI this round of changes should be over now.
>
>
> Is the intention that multiplex 10803H will be used again in the future?
> BBC cleared it of all streams and almost all tables yesterday.
>
> And what about the duplicate radio stations R1, 2, 3, 4 which are on
> both 11023H and 12421H? Which is the definitive long-term version? Will
> everything in 12421H be moving elsewhere when the SD versions of BBC TV
> channels are closed down in about year's time?

Can they actually do that? There must be loads of people out there using
Freesat because they cannot get Freeview and don't have a TV with an HD
tuner? I would suggest most of those will be elderly, live in the middle
of no-where or at the bottom of a hill or cliff, and cannot afford to
buy a new TV. Will the BBC (at the expense of the rest of us of course!)
provide them with a convertor of some sort?

Woody <harrogate3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> On Sat 25/02/2023 11:18, NY wrote:
>> "Brian Gregory" <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote in
>> message news:k5setmF9ndvU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 16/02/2023 14:20, Eddie King wrote:
>>>> On 16.02.2023 05:07, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>>> On 15/02/2023 07:45, Eddie King wrote:
>>>>>> Good morning,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this musical chairs thing is becoming more annoying to me as I lost
>>>>>> a planned recording of BBC Four last night.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can anyone please tell me to which transponder BBC2 and BBC Four
>>>>>> have moved to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> This:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.tvchannellists.com/w/Channels_testing_%26_channels_not_on_Sky%27s_EPG_(UK_%26_Ireland)>
>>>>>
>>>>> is the best resource I have found for keeping track of Astra 2
>>>>> transponder changes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you, very helpful site, have bookmarked it.
>>>
>>> AIUI this round of changes should be over now.
>>
>>
>> Is the intention that multiplex 10803H will be used again in the future?
>> BBC cleared it of all streams and almost all tables yesterday.
>>
>> And what about the duplicate radio stations R1, 2, 3, 4 which are on
>> both 11023H and 12421H? Which is the definitive long-term version? Will
>> everything in 12421H be moving elsewhere when the SD versions of BBC TV
>> channels are closed down in about year's time?
>
> Can they actually do that? There must be loads of people out there using
> Freesat because they cannot get Freeview and don't have a TV with an HD
> tuner? I would suggest most of those will be elderly, live in the middle
> of no-where or at the bottom of a hill or cliff, and cannot afford to
> buy a new TV. Will the BBC (at the expense of the rest of us of course!)
> provide them with a convertor of some sort?
>
>
>

Manhattan do a Freesat box for £70 that outputs on HDMI, SCART and RCA,
thus being able to feed old sets.

https://manhattan-tv.com/freesat/manhattan-sx

Woody wrote:

> NY wrote:
>
>> when the SD versions of BBC TV channels are closed down in about
>> year's time?
>
> Can they actually do that? There must be loads of people out there using
> Freesat because they cannot get Freeview and don't have a TV with an HD
> tuner? I would suggest most of those will be elderly, live in the middle
> of no-where or at the bottom of a hill or cliff, and cannot afford to
> buy a new TV. Will the BBC (at the expense of the rest of us of course!)
> provide them with a convertor of some sort?

They might be eligible for a voucher ...

<https://www.hdsatelliteupgrade.co.uk/how-can-i-apply-assistance>