In article <hnb4uhpi5708e4ccr8aelq2kldp5nppd8s@4ax.com>,
Roderick Stewart <rjfs@escapetime.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Feb 2023 09:12:05 +0000 (GMT), Bob Latham
> <bob@sick-of-spam.invalid> wrote:

> [...]
> >It's only of technical interest, I only watched one thriller serial
> >last year on iPlayer, that was the full extent of my BBC viewing.

> Same here. So far this year I've watched Happy Valley, which was very
> good, but rather steeply priced at £159 just for one drama programme.

> The only other thing has been University Challenge, which passes the
> time and allows me to feel smug if I know the answers to about three
> of the questions, but I could just as happily live without it, and
> after Paxo retires from the show it won't be the same anyway.

It wasn't the same after Bamber (RIP) left.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 07/02/2023 11:19, Unsteadyken wrote:
> In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
>
> Mark Carver says...
>
>> So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East.
>>
> West Midlands and Yorks & Lincs went HD yesterday.
>
Not on the EPG though....

On 07/02/2023 13:25, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 07/02/2023 11:19, Unsteadyken wrote:
>> In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Mark Carver says...
>>
>>> So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East.
>>>
>> West Midlands and Yorks & Lincs went HD yesterday.
>>
> Not on the EPG though....

Maybe you need to force a retune or wait for one to happen overnight.
Looking at 10847's channels, I see that BBC One Yorks and Lincs HD has
changed its name from "6911" to "BBC One Y&L HD" since I looked at about
0900 today. No doubt the West Midlands version will have done the same.

The EPG over-the-air listing information was working yesterday, but I
imagine most TVs and PVRs don't include channels in their EPG table
until those channels have non-SID names.

In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
mark.carver@invalid.invalid says...
>

>
> So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East.  (South is in
> native HD)

It doesn't look any different, in my view, I was wondering
if it was real HD or upscaled (BBC South).

In article <k4f1pmF8228U1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver says...

> > West Midlands and Yorks & Lincs went HD yesterday.
> >
> Not on the EPG though....
>

They are on my Manhattan STB, as is Alba HD which I forgot to mention.

On 07/02/2023 16:03, Alistair Tyrrell wrote:
> In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
> mark.carver@invalid.invalid says...
>>
>
>>
>> So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East.  (South is in
>> native HD)
>
> It doesn't look any different, in my view, I was wondering
> if it was real HD or upscaled (BBC South).

Southern News definitely looks like real HD to me.
But I think some of the local studios are not HD equipped so they will
show local news as upscaled SD on the new localised HD channels.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

On 07/02/2023 19:12, Brian Gregory wrote:
> On 07/02/2023 16:03, Alistair Tyrrell wrote:
>> In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> mark.carver@invalid.invalid says...
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East. (South is in
>>> native HD)
>>
>> It doesn't look any different, in my view, I was wondering
>> if it was real HD or upscaled (BBC South).
>
> Southern News definitely looks like real HD to me.
> But I think some of the local studios are not HD equipped so they will
> show local news as upscaled SD on the new localised HD channels.
>
Southampton was upgraded to native HD last year. The other regional
sites are London, Salford, and Plymouth.

I think Newcastle has just been upgraded in the last week or so.

Leaves quite a few still operating in SD. Bristol, Norwich, Birmingham,
Nottingham, Leeds, Hull, and Jersey ?

On 07/02/2023 14:47, NY wrote:
> On 07/02/2023 13:25, Mark Carver wrote:
>> On 07/02/2023 11:19, Unsteadyken wrote:
>>> In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> Mark Carver says...
>>>
>>>> So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East.
>>>>
>>> West Midlands and Yorks & Lincs went HD yesterday.
>>>
>> Not on the EPG though....
>
> Maybe you need to force a retune or wait for one to happen overnight.

I thought I was talking about Sky (despite the thread title !)

Freesat was indeed yesterday for those regions

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:k4fme1Fb4c9U1@mid.individual.net...
> On 07/02/2023 19:12, Brian Gregory wrote:
>> On 07/02/2023 16:03, Alistair Tyrrell wrote:
>>> In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> mark.carver@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East. (South is in
>>>> native HD)
>>>
>>> It doesn't look any different, in my view, I was wondering
>>> if it was real HD or upscaled (BBC South).
>>
>> Southern News definitely looks like real HD to me.
>> But I think some of the local studios are not HD equipped so they will
>> show local news as upscaled SD on the new localised HD channels.
>>
> Southampton was upgraded to native HD last year. The other regional sites
> are London, Salford, and Plymouth.
>
> I think Newcastle has just been upgraded in the last week or so.
>
> Leaves quite a few still operating in SD. Bristol, Norwich, Birmingham,
> Nottingham, Leeds, Hull, and Jersey ?

I recorded Look North for the Yorkshire and Lincolnshire region: HD via
satellite and SD via terrestrial from Belmont (*). And I agree that the very
obvious difference for the national news is much less obvious for the local
news, which makes me think that local is SD, upscaled to HD and maybe
sharpened very slightly. I'm surprised that the regions' studios didn't
upgrade to HD in advance of the changes in the broadcast chain, with the HD
feed *down*sampled to SD. It would allow them to make a bigger launch -
"look how much sharper local news is now it's gone HD".

Compare (local news)

https://i.postimg.cc/13Sfs5Jz/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s181.png (SD)
https://i.postimg.cc/SKTs6LqX/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169.png (HD)
https://i.postimg.cc/fbKd60sZ/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169-rescaled.png
(HD rescaled to SD size)

Not a lot of difference: you'd expect the captions at the very least to be
sharper on the HD version.

What I did notice - and maybe this is a known difference and you'll say "How
did anyone *not* know this?" - was the different colour rendition,
especially on strong reds. Compare these two frames (almost identical
timing, by chance!):

https://i.postimg.cc/NMw7RwxC/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m29s212.png (SD) (**)
https://i.postimg.cc/dQ5rVCgx/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169.png (HD)
https://i.postimg.cc/zv2xCcvL/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169-rescaled.png
(HD rescaled to SD size)

Sophie Raworth's red top is rendered very differently. This is from the
national news where there *is* a difference in sharpness between SD and HD.

(*) I've only got one satellite tuner in my PVR so I can't record from two
different satellite muxes at the same time.

(**) Note that VLC player rescales still images from 720x576 to 1024x576, to
preserve the 16:9 aspect ratio.

On 07/02/2023 20:03, NY wrote:
>  I'm surprised that the regions' studios didn't upgrade to HD in
> advance of the changes in the broadcast chain, with the HD feed
> *down*sampled to SD. It would allow them to make a bigger launch -
> "look how much sharper local news is now it's gone HD".

Why are you surprised ? I've been saying in here for literally years,
that the roll out of HD equipment to the regions is, and will be
painfully slow.

What's happening at present is all about not having to switch channels
(from HD to SD) when the local news comes along.

In all other respects the two projects are separate.

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:k4h3a2Fhl3pU1@mid.individual.net...
> On 07/02/2023 20:03, NY wrote:
>> I'm surprised that the regions' studios didn't upgrade to HD in advance
>> of the changes in the broadcast chain, with the HD feed *down*sampled to
>> SD. It would allow them to make a bigger launch - "look how much sharper
>> local news is now it's gone HD".
>
> Why are you surprised ? I've been saying in here for literally years, that
> the roll out of HD equipment to the regions is, and will be painfully
> slow.
>
> What's happening at present is all about not having to switch channels
> (from HD to SD) when the local news comes along.
>
> In all other respects the two projects are separate.

Fair enough. I'd thought that they may be linked, but nothing is that simple
;-)

The "not having to change channels" aspect is probably the more important -
the fact that they didn't even send upscaled SD to the HD muxes on
terrestrial and satellite, and the fact that the workflow was designed in
such a way that made it difficult, was particularly bizarre. I suppose HD in
the regions is like colour in the regions: it took a long time for some
regions to get colour - remember the "regional bounce" on Nationwide when
they went to a "far flung, remote" region like Bristol or Plymouth and you'd
have a B&W picture for their report.

On 07/02/2023 13:25, Mark Carver wrote:
> On 07/02/2023 11:19, Unsteadyken wrote:
>> In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
>> Mark Carver says...
>>
>>> So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East.
>>>
>> West Midlands and Yorks & Lincs went HD yesterday.
>>
> Not on the EPG though....

The change seemed a littled cackhanded!

On the 6th, on a Humax BBC1WM on 101 was indeed HD, but the Now & Next
('i' button) at first late afternoon went to 0915 and we had to scroll
through to find the next programme info.

Later the i button stalled on basic channel info only. Despite the usual
powerdown reset it stayed like this all evening.

On the 6th the i button worked but horror (as the missus says) ALL the
recrdings set for 106 had gone; because 106 had a banner in the EPG
saying go to 101. Consequently all recordings had to be reset.

I've been out of the job since 2004, but what what I remember it
shouldn't be like this. Now was it a cockup with the WM DSAT change or
my Humax?

On Mon, 6 Feb 2023 23:45:16 -0800 (PST), Kevin H wrote:

> Noticed yesterday that 101 - BBC East (now merged West - where I am - and East) is now HD on Sky and the local news broadcasts are in HD. Quality much better than SD but some of the content to my untrained eye looks quite soft.

Thanks - I thought that, although mainly on the regional news. The One Show
is as sharp as it always has been.
--
Peter.
The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

On Tue, 07 Feb 2023 11:29:16 +0000 (GMT), charles
<charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

> It wasn't the same after Bamber (RIP) left.

I wouldn't be surprised if you said he was a mate of yours.

In article <slrntv7hlr.36sg.abuse@news.pr.network>,
Paul Ratcliffe <abuse@orac12.clara34.co56.uk78> wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Feb 2023 11:29:16 +0000 (GMT), charles
> <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

> > It wasn't the same after Bamber (RIP) left.

> I wouldn't be surprised if you said he was a mate of yours.

I certainly knew him.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 07/02/2023 20:03, NY wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:k4fme1Fb4c9U1@mid.individual.net...
>> On 07/02/2023 19:12, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>> On 07/02/2023 16:03, Alistair Tyrrell wrote:
>>>> In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>> mark.carver@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East. (South
>>>>> is in
>>>>> native HD)
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't look any different, in my view, I was wondering
>>>> if it was real HD or upscaled (BBC South).
>>>
>>> Southern News definitely looks like real HD to me.
>>> But I think some of the local studios are not HD equipped so they
>>> will show local news as upscaled SD on the new localised HD channels.
>>>
>> Southampton was upgraded to native HD last year. The other regional
>> sites are London, Salford, and Plymouth.
>>
>> I think Newcastle has just been upgraded in the last week or so.
>>
>> Leaves quite a few still operating in SD. Bristol, Norwich,
>> Birmingham, Nottingham, Leeds, Hull, and Jersey ?
>
> I recorded Look North for the Yorkshire and Lincolnshire region: HD via
> satellite and SD via terrestrial from Belmont (*). And I agree that the
> very obvious difference for the national news is much less obvious for
> the local news, which makes me think that local is SD, upscaled to HD
> and maybe sharpened very slightly. I'm surprised that the regions'
> studios didn't upgrade to HD in advance of the changes in the broadcast
> chain, with the HD feed *down*sampled to SD. It would allow them to make
> a bigger launch - "look how much sharper local news is now it's gone HD".
>
> Compare (local news)
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/13Sfs5Jz/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s181.png (SD)
> https://i.postimg.cc/SKTs6LqX/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169.png (HD)
> https://i.postimg.cc/fbKd60sZ/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169-rescaled.png (HD rescaled to SD size)
>
> Not a lot of difference: you'd expect the captions at the very least to
> be sharper on the HD version.
>
>
>
> What I did notice - and maybe this is a known difference and you'll say
> "How did anyone *not* know this?" - was the different colour rendition,
> especially on strong reds. Compare these two frames (almost identical
> timing, by chance!):
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/NMw7RwxC/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m29s212.png (SD) (**)
> https://i.postimg.cc/dQ5rVCgx/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169.png (HD)
> https://i.postimg.cc/zv2xCcvL/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169-rescaled.png (HD rescaled to SD size)
>
> Sophie Raworth's red top is rendered very differently. This is from the
> national news where there *is* a difference in sharpness between SD and HD.
>
>
> (*) I've only got one satellite tuner in my PVR so I can't record from
> two different satellite muxes at the same time.
>
> (**) Note that VLC player rescales still images from 720x576 to
> 1024x576, to preserve the 16:9 aspect ratio.

The big thing after the change is that you don't have to either a)
change to a different channel to see your local news, or b) accept that
BBC One is always in SD while some other programs are in HD.

--
Brian Gregory (in England).

On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 02:20:16 +0000, Brian Gregory
<void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:

>On 07/02/2023 20:03, NY wrote:
>> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:k4fme1Fb4c9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>> On 07/02/2023 19:12, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>> On 07/02/2023 16:03, Alistair Tyrrell wrote:
>>>>> In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> mark.carver@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East. (South
>>>>>> is in
>>>>>> native HD)
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't look any different, in my view, I was wondering
>>>>> if it was real HD or upscaled (BBC South).
>>>>
>>>> Southern News definitely looks like real HD to me.
>>>> But I think some of the local studios are not HD equipped so they
>>>> will show local news as upscaled SD on the new localised HD channels.
>>>>
>>> Southampton was upgraded to native HD last year. The other regional
>>> sites are London, Salford, and Plymouth.
>>>
>>> I think Newcastle has just been upgraded in the last week or so.
>>>
>>> Leaves quite a few still operating in SD. Bristol, Norwich,
>>> Birmingham, Nottingham, Leeds, Hull, and Jersey ?
>>
>> I recorded Look North for the Yorkshire and Lincolnshire region: HD via
>> satellite and SD via terrestrial from Belmont (*). And I agree that the
>> very obvious difference for the national news is much less obvious for
>> the local news, which makes me think that local is SD, upscaled to HD
>> and maybe sharpened very slightly. I'm surprised that the regions'
>> studios didn't upgrade to HD in advance of the changes in the broadcast
>> chain, with the HD feed *down*sampled to SD. It would allow them to make
>> a bigger launch - "look how much sharper local news is now it's gone HD".
>>
>> Compare (local news)
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/13Sfs5Jz/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s181.png (SD)
>> https://i.postimg.cc/SKTs6LqX/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169.png (HD)
>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbKd60sZ/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169-rescaled.png (HD rescaled to SD size)
>>
>> Not a lot of difference: you'd expect the captions at the very least to
>> be sharper on the HD version.
>>
>>
>>
>> What I did notice - and maybe this is a known difference and you'll say
>> "How did anyone *not* know this?" - was the different colour rendition,
>> especially on strong reds. Compare these two frames (almost identical
>> timing, by chance!):
>>
>> https://i.postimg.cc/NMw7RwxC/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m29s212.png (SD) (**)
>> https://i.postimg.cc/dQ5rVCgx/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169.png (HD)
>> https://i.postimg.cc/zv2xCcvL/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169-rescaled.png (HD rescaled to SD size)
>>
>> Sophie Raworth's red top is rendered very differently. This is from the
>> national news where there *is* a difference in sharpness between SD and HD.
>>
>>
>> (*) I've only got one satellite tuner in my PVR so I can't record from
>> two different satellite muxes at the same time.
>>
>> (**) Note that VLC player rescales still images from 720x576 to
>> 1024x576, to preserve the 16:9 aspect ratio.
>
>The big thing after the change is that you don't have to either a)
>change to a different channel to see your local news, or b) accept that
>BBC One is always in SD while some other programs are in HD.

I normally record in SD, because it uses less disk space. The removal of the SD
channels has also removed all the settings of what to record using Humax Freesat
PVR.Freesat missed the opportunity to put BBC1,2,3 and 4 on the same EPG page.
Maybe because BBC 4's days are numbered?
--

Martin in Zuid Holland

On 21/02/2023 10:17, Martin wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 02:20:16 +0000, Brian Gregory
> <void-invalid-dead-dontuse@email.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 07/02/2023 20:03, NY wrote:
>>> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>>> news:k4fme1Fb4c9U1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> On 07/02/2023 19:12, Brian Gregory wrote:
>>>>> On 07/02/2023 16:03, Alistair Tyrrell wrote:
>>>>>> In article <k4egpsF5fo6U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>>> mark.carver@invalid.invalid says...
>>>>>>> So far the only three regions are South, E Mids, and East. (South
>>>>>>> is in
>>>>>>> native HD)
>>>>>> It doesn't look any different, in my view, I was wondering
>>>>>> if it was real HD or upscaled (BBC South).
>>>>> Southern News definitely looks like real HD to me.
>>>>> But I think some of the local studios are not HD equipped so they
>>>>> will show local news as upscaled SD on the new localised HD channels.
>>>>>
>>>> Southampton was upgraded to native HD last year. The other regional
>>>> sites are London, Salford, and Plymouth.
>>>>
>>>> I think Newcastle has just been upgraded in the last week or so.
>>>>
>>>> Leaves quite a few still operating in SD. Bristol, Norwich,
>>>> Birmingham, Nottingham, Leeds, Hull, and Jersey ?
>>> I recorded Look North for the Yorkshire and Lincolnshire region: HD via
>>> satellite and SD via terrestrial from Belmont (*). And I agree that the
>>> very obvious difference for the national news is much less obvious for
>>> the local news, which makes me think that local is SD, upscaled to HD
>>> and maybe sharpened very slightly. I'm surprised that the regions'
>>> studios didn't upgrade to HD in advance of the changes in the broadcast
>>> chain, with the HD feed *down*sampled to SD. It would allow them to make
>>> a bigger launch - "look how much sharper local news is now it's gone HD".
>>>
>>> Compare (local news)
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/13Sfs5Jz/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s181.png (SD)
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/SKTs6LqX/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169.png (HD)
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/fbKd60sZ/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h38m10s169-rescaled.png (HD rescaled to SD size)
>>>
>>> Not a lot of difference: you'd expect the captions at the very least to
>>> be sharper on the HD version.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What I did notice - and maybe this is a known difference and you'll say
>>> "How did anyone *not* know this?" - was the different colour rendition,
>>> especially on strong reds. Compare these two frames (almost identical
>>> timing, by chance!):
>>>
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/NMw7RwxC/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m29s212.png (SD) (**)
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/dQ5rVCgx/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169.png (HD)
>>> https://i.postimg.cc/zv2xCcvL/vlcsnap-2023-02-07-19h32m23s169-rescaled.png (HD rescaled to SD size)
>>>
>>> Sophie Raworth's red top is rendered very differently. This is from the
>>> national news where there *is* a difference in sharpness between SD and HD.
>>>
>>>
>>> (*) I've only got one satellite tuner in my PVR so I can't record from
>>> two different satellite muxes at the same time.
>>>
>>> (**) Note that VLC player rescales still images from 720x576 to
>>> 1024x576, to preserve the 16:9 aspect ratio.
>> The big thing after the change is that you don't have to either a)
>> change to a different channel to see your local news, or b) accept that
>> BBC One is always in SD while some other programs are in HD.
> I normally record in SD, because it uses less disk space. The removal of the SD
> channels has also removed all the settings of what to record using Humax Freesat
> PVR.

I don't think you'll be able to find the BBC 1 SD stream on an HD
Freesat box now ? That's Freesat's policy.
Sky HD boxes still have BBC 1 SD UK available on Ch 801.

"Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:k5jml2Ft8m7U1@mid.individual.net...

> I don't think you'll be able to find the BBC 1 SD stream on an HD Freesat
> box now ? That's Freesat's policy.
> Sky HD boxes still have BBC 1 SD UK available on Ch 801.

The various BBC channels in SD have all been moved to 12422H and put into a
"nightlight" phase, which means that they will be withdrawn at some
unspecified time in the future. So they've not gone yat, but they will do...

I'm not sure where it is intended that the BBC radio channels will end up,
because they also have been moved to the same mux. Presumably the intention
is for BBC to remove all its channels from 12422H and put them in gaps in
the existing "BBC muxes" (10773, 10788, 11803, 10818, 10847) when all the
changes have finished there.

On 21/02/2023 13:32, NY wrote:
> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
> news:k5jml2Ft8m7U1@mid.individual.net...
>
>> I don't think you'll be able to find the BBC 1 SD stream on an HD
>> Freesat box now ? That's Freesat's policy.
>> Sky HD boxes still have BBC 1 SD UK available on Ch 801.
>
> The various BBC channels in SD have all been moved to 12422H and put
> into a "nightlight" phase, which means that they will be withdrawn at
> some unspecified time in the future. So they've not gone yat, but they
> will do...
Yes, I know. However, I don't think (where HD and SD versions of exactly
the same channels exist) that the SD version is available via the EPG on
HD Freesat boxes, thus making them impossible to record ?

In article <k5k0soFa2eU1@mid.individual.net>,
Mark Carver says...

> I don't think (where HD and SD versions of exactly
> the same channels exist) that the SD version is available via the EPG on
> HD Freesat boxes, thus making them impossible to record ?
>
>
Here in NN17 the only BBC channels remaining in SD are duplicates of
CBBC, Cbeebies, BBC Alba, RB1, and BBC News.

On Tue, 21 Feb 2023 13:56:39 +0000, Mark Carver <mark.carver@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>On 21/02/2023 13:32, NY wrote:
>> "Mark Carver" <mark.carver@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:k5jml2Ft8m7U1@mid.individual.net...
>>
>>> I don't think you'll be able to find the BBC 1 SD stream on an HD
>>> Freesat box now ? That's Freesat's policy.
>>> Sky HD boxes still have BBC 1 SD UK available on Ch 801.
>>
>> The various BBC channels in SD have all been moved to 12422H and put
>> into a "nightlight" phase, which means that they will be withdrawn at
>> some unspecified time in the future. So they've not gone yat, but they
>> will do...
>Yes, I know. However, I don't think (where HD and SD versions of exactly
>the same channels exist) that the SD version is available via the EPG on
>HD Freesat boxes, thus making them impossible to record ?

You are right.
--

Martin in Zuid Holland