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 by: Michael Christ - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 21:39 UTC

On 13/04/2024 2:09 am, ChristRose wrote:
> Context
>
> Luke 9 stands as a pivotal chapter
> within the Gospel of Luke, bridging the
> early ministry of Jesus with His journey
> towards Jerusalem and the culmination of
> His earthly mission. It provides an
> example of what you should expect when
> you follow Christ in discipleship, and
> how you should walk that path.
>
> Proposition
>
> You should follow Christ.
>
> Following Christ is the essence of
> Christian living. Luke 9 intricately
> showcases this through a variety of
> narratives, each pointing to the
> multifaceted journey of discipleship.
> This chapter doesn't stand alone; the
> apostle Paul emphasizes the same theme
> in Romans 12:1-2, urging believers to
> present their bodies as a living
> sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this
> is true and proper worship. Similarly,
> in Ephesians 5:1-2, believers are
> encouraged to imitate God, walking in
> love just as Christ loved us. The entire
> New Testament is woven with this golden
> thread: following Christ is our highest
> calling and greatest privilege.
>
> Transition
>
> Luke 9 vividly illustrates several ways
> to follow Christ, each teaching us
> profound lessons on discipleship.
>
> 1) By Preaching the Gospel (1-10)
>
> When Jesus sends the Twelve, He empowers
> them to preach the Kingdom of God and to
> heal. Their mission draws attention,
> even from Herod, signaling the
> transformative power of the Gospel. This
> action isn't just historical; it's a
> template for us. Romans 1:16 declares
> the Gospel as the power of God for
> salvation to everyone who believes.
> Philippians 1:27-28 further encourages
> believers to conduct themselves in a
> manner worthy of the gospel of Christ.
> That whole chapter reflects the joy it
> brings when believers become bold to
> proclaim the gospel, in the face of
> opposition. Our call is clear: like the
> Twelve, we should boldly proclaim the
> Good News of Christ's death and
> resurrection, relying on the Spirit’s
> power, not our own.
>
> 2) By Ministering to People (11-17,
> 37-43, 51-56)
>
> Jesus’ compassion shines as He feeds the
> hungry, heals the demon-possessed, and
> perseveres through rejection. His
> response to the Samaritans' rejection,
> moving to another village, teaches us
> resilience in ministry. Galatians 6:9
> encourages us not to grow weary in doing
> good, for at the proper time we will
> reap a harvest if we do not give up.
> This segment underscores a vital aspect
> of following Christ: ministering to
> those in need, patiently enduring
> rejection, and moving forward to seek
> new opportunities to proclaim Christ to
> others.
>
> 3) By Taking Up Your Cross (18-27,
> 44-45, 57-62)
>
> The confession that Jesus is the "Christ
> of God" is foundational. Immediately
> after this confession, Jesus prepares
> the disciple for an expectation of
> suffering. He introduces the concept of
> taking up one’s cross, a call to endure
> hardship for His sake. This stark
> contrast between the crowd's marvel and
> the impending suffering highlights the
> cost of discipleship. The epistles echo
> this call; Romans 5:3-5 speaks of
> rejoicing in our sufferings, knowing
> that suffering produces perseverance.
> All who would live a godly life should
> expect persecution and crosses (2
> Timothy 3:12-13). This section calls
> believers to a deep, sacrificial
> following of Christ, braced for
> opposition, yet anchored in hope.
>
> 4) By Hoping for Glory (28-36)
>
> The transfiguration provides a glimpse
> of the glory awaiting those who
> faithfully carry their cross. This hope
> of glory is what sustains believers
> through trials. Similarly, Stephen
> received a vision of glory in Acts,
> while he was being stone to death.
> Colossians 1:27 and 1 peter 1 speak to
> the mystery of Christ in us, the hope of
> glory. This glorious vision fuels our
> perseverance, reminding us that our
> present sufferings are not worth
> comparing with the glory that will be
> revealed in us (Romans 8:18).
>
> 5) Walking in Humility (46-50)
>
> The lesson of humility, taught through
> the example of a child and Jesus’ rebuke
> of the disciples' exclusionary spirit,
> underscores the importance of a humble
> heart in following Christ. Ephesians
> 4:2-3 urges us to be completely humble
> and gentle, bearing with one another in
> love. 1 Corinthians 12 shows we should
> acknowledge the gifts others have to
> minister for God. Denying other people
> opportunities for service can promote
> divisions within the body of Christ.
> This segment calls us to embrace
> humility as a core aspect of our
> discipleship journey.
>
> Exhortation
>
> In the journey of following Christ, Luke
> 9 outlines crucial steps: preaching the
> Gospel, ministering to those in need,
> bearing our cross, hoping for future
> glory, and walking in humility. Each
> step is a call to deeper commitment and
> faithfulness.

This is just religious junk wank talk.

"Shoulda" people charade, lukewarmism pretending to be something, all of
it only a profession of belief without actually believing—trying to
convince themselves to be what they already are meant to be.

Let's make it simple:

You are either committed and faithful, or piss off. There is no
"deeper." You either love God or you don't!

Sheesh!

Plain and simple.

Michael Christ

As we follow this path,
> let us be reminded of the great cloud of
> witnesses who have gone before us
> (Hebrews 12), encouraging us to run with
> perseverance the race marked out for us,
> fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer
> and perfecter of faith.
>
> Invitation
>
> To those yet to embark on this journey,
> Luke 9 extends an invitation to
> experience the transformative power of
> Christ's love and sacrifice. Jesus
> Christ, through His death and
> resurrection, has made the ultimate
> atonement for our sins. This act of
> unmatched love opens the way for us to
> be reconciled to God (2 Corinthians
> 5:21), and to live a life of purpose and
> hope. Embracing this truth sets you on a
> path of true fulfillment, where every
> step is guided by His light. I invite
> you to place your trust in Jesus today,
> to experience the profound peace and joy
> that comes from knowing and following
> Him.
>
>
> --
> Have you heard the good news Christ died
> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
> from the dead?
>
> That Christ died for our sins shows
> we're sinners who deserve the death
> penalty. That God raised Him from the
> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
> God's righteous demands against our sin
> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
> God can now remain just, while forgiving
> you of your sins, and saving you from
> eternal damnation.

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"


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 by: Ted - Sat, 13 Apr 2024 17:35 UTC

Michael Christ wrote:

> On 13/04/2024 2:09 am, ChristRose wrote:
> > Context
> >
> > Luke 9 stands as a pivotal chapter
> > within the Gospel of Luke, bridging the
> > early ministry of Jesus with His journey
> > towards Jerusalem and the culmination of
> > His earthly mission. It provides an
> > example of what you should expect when
> > you follow Christ in discipleship, and
> > how you should walk that path.
> >
> > Proposition
> >
> > You should follow Christ.
> >
> > Following Christ is the essence of
> > Christian living. Luke 9 intricately
> > showcases this through a variety of
> > narratives, each pointing to the
> > multifaceted journey of discipleship.
> > This chapter doesn't stand alone; the
> > apostle Paul emphasizes the same theme
> > in Romans 12:1-2, urging believers to
> > present their bodies as a living
> > sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this
> > is true and proper worship. Similarly,
> > in Ephesians 5:1-2, believers are
> > encouraged to imitate God, walking in
> > love just as Christ loved us. The entire
> > New Testament is woven with this golden
> > thread: following Christ is our highest
> > calling and greatest privilege.
> >
> > Transition
> >
> > Luke 9 vividly illustrates several ways
> > to follow Christ, each teaching us
> > profound lessons on discipleship.
> >
> > 1) By Preaching the Gospel (1-10)
> >
> > When Jesus sends the Twelve, He empowers
> > them to preach the Kingdom of God and to
> > heal. Their mission draws attention,
> > even from Herod, signaling the
> > transformative power of the Gospel. This
> > action isn't just historical; it's a
> > template for us. Romans 1:16 declares
> > the Gospel as the power of God for
> > salvation to everyone who believes.
> > Philippians 1:27-28 further encourages
> > believers to conduct themselves in a
> > manner worthy of the gospel of Christ.
> > That whole chapter reflects the joy it
> > brings when believers become bold to
> > proclaim the gospel, in the face of
> > opposition. Our call is clear: like the
> > Twelve, we should boldly proclaim the
> > Good News of Christ's death and
> > resurrection, relying on the Spirit’s
> > power, not our own.
> >
> > 2) By Ministering to People (11-17,
> > 37-43, 51-56)
> >
> > Jesus’ compassion shines as He feeds the
> > hungry, heals the demon-possessed, and
> > perseveres through rejection. His
> > response to the Samaritans' rejection,
> > moving to another village, teaches us
> > resilience in ministry. Galatians 6:9
> > encourages us not to grow weary in doing
> > good, for at the proper time we will
> > reap a harvest if we do not give up.
> > This segment underscores a vital aspect
> > of following Christ: ministering to
> > those in need, patiently enduring
> > rejection, and moving forward to seek
> > new opportunities to proclaim Christ to
> > others.
> >
> > 3) By Taking Up Your Cross (18-27,
> > 44-45, 57-62)
> >
> > The confession that Jesus is the "Christ
> > of God" is foundational. Immediately
> > after this confession, Jesus prepares
> > the disciple for an expectation of
> > suffering. He introduces the concept of
> > taking up one’s cross, a call to endure
> > hardship for His sake. This stark
> > contrast between the crowd's marvel and
> > the impending suffering highlights the
> > cost of discipleship. The epistles echo
> > this call; Romans 5:3-5 speaks of
> > rejoicing in our sufferings, knowing
> > that suffering produces perseverance.
> > All who would live a godly life should
> > expect persecution and crosses (2
> > Timothy 3:12-13). This section calls
> > believers to a deep, sacrificial
> > following of Christ, braced for
> > opposition, yet anchored in hope.
> >
> > 4) By Hoping for Glory (28-36)
> >
> > The transfiguration provides a glimpse
> > of the glory awaiting those who
> > faithfully carry their cross. This hope
> > of glory is what sustains believers
> > through trials. Similarly, Stephen
> > received a vision of glory in Acts,
> > while he was being stone to death.
> > Colossians 1:27 and 1 peter 1 speak to
> > the mystery of Christ in us, the hope of
> > glory. This glorious vision fuels our
> > perseverance, reminding us that our
> > present sufferings are not worth
> > comparing with the glory that will be
> > revealed in us (Romans 8:18).
> >
> > 5) Walking in Humility (46-50)
> >
> > The lesson of humility, taught through
> > the example of a child and Jesus’ rebuke
> > of the disciples' exclusionary spirit,
> > underscores the importance of a humble
> > heart in following Christ. Ephesians
> > 4:2-3 urges us to be completely humble
> > and gentle, bearing with one another in
> > love. 1 Corinthians 12 shows we should
> > acknowledge the gifts others have to
> > minister for God. Denying other people
> > opportunities for service can promote
> > divisions within the body of Christ.
> > This segment calls us to embrace
> > humility as a core aspect of our
> > discipleship journey.
> >
> > Exhortation
> >
> > In the journey of following Christ, Luke
> > 9 outlines crucial steps: preaching the
> > Gospel, ministering to those in need,
> > bearing our cross, hoping for future
> > glory, and walking in humility. Each
> > step is a call to deeper commitment and
> > faithfulness.

>
> This is just religious junk wank talk.
>
> "Shoulda" people charade, lukewarmism pretending to be something, all
> of it only a profession of belief without actually believing—trying
> to convince themselves to be what they already are meant to be.
>
> Let's make it simple:
>
> You are either committed and faithful, or piss off. There is no
> "deeper." You either love God or you don't!
>
> Sheesh!
>
> Plain and simple.
>
>
> Michael Christ
>

Good point.

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On 14/04/2024 3:35 am, Ted wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>
>> On 13/04/2024 2:09 am, ChristRose wrote:
>>> Context
>>>
>>> Luke 9 stands as a pivotal chapter
>>> within the Gospel of Luke, bridging the
>>> early ministry of Jesus with His journey
>>> towards Jerusalem and the culmination of
>>> His earthly mission. It provides an
>>> example of what you should expect when
>>> you follow Christ in discipleship, and
>>> how you should walk that path.
>>>
>>> Proposition
>>>
>>> You should follow Christ.
>>>
>>> Following Christ is the essence of
>>> Christian living. Luke 9 intricately
>>> showcases this through a variety of
>>> narratives, each pointing to the
>>> multifaceted journey of discipleship.
>>> This chapter doesn't stand alone; the
>>> apostle Paul emphasizes the same theme
>>> in Romans 12:1-2, urging believers to
>>> present their bodies as a living
>>> sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this
>>> is true and proper worship. Similarly,
>>> in Ephesians 5:1-2, believers are
>>> encouraged to imitate God, walking in
>>> love just as Christ loved us. The entire
>>> New Testament is woven with this golden
>>> thread: following Christ is our highest
>>> calling and greatest privilege.
>>>
>>> Transition
>>>
>>> Luke 9 vividly illustrates several ways
>>> to follow Christ, each teaching us
>>> profound lessons on discipleship.
>>>
>>> 1) By Preaching the Gospel (1-10)
>>>
>>> When Jesus sends the Twelve, He empowers
>>> them to preach the Kingdom of God and to
>>> heal. Their mission draws attention,
>>> even from Herod, signaling the
>>> transformative power of the Gospel. This
>>> action isn't just historical; it's a
>>> template for us. Romans 1:16 declares
>>> the Gospel as the power of God for
>>> salvation to everyone who believes.
>>> Philippians 1:27-28 further encourages
>>> believers to conduct themselves in a
>>> manner worthy of the gospel of Christ.
>>> That whole chapter reflects the joy it
>>> brings when believers become bold to
>>> proclaim the gospel, in the face of
>>> opposition. Our call is clear: like the
>>> Twelve, we should boldly proclaim the
>>> Good News of Christ's death and
>>> resurrection, relying on the Spirit’s
>>> power, not our own.
>>>
>>> 2) By Ministering to People (11-17,
>>> 37-43, 51-56)
>>>
>>> Jesus’ compassion shines as He feeds the
>>> hungry, heals the demon-possessed, and
>>> perseveres through rejection. His
>>> response to the Samaritans' rejection,
>>> moving to another village, teaches us
>>> resilience in ministry. Galatians 6:9
>>> encourages us not to grow weary in doing
>>> good, for at the proper time we will
>>> reap a harvest if we do not give up.
>>> This segment underscores a vital aspect
>>> of following Christ: ministering to
>>> those in need, patiently enduring
>>> rejection, and moving forward to seek
>>> new opportunities to proclaim Christ to
>>> others.
>>>
>>> 3) By Taking Up Your Cross (18-27,
>>> 44-45, 57-62)
>>>
>>> The confession that Jesus is the "Christ
>>> of God" is foundational. Immediately
>>> after this confession, Jesus prepares
>>> the disciple for an expectation of
>>> suffering. He introduces the concept of
>>> taking up one’s cross, a call to endure
>>> hardship for His sake. This stark
>>> contrast between the crowd's marvel and
>>> the impending suffering highlights the
>>> cost of discipleship. The epistles echo
>>> this call; Romans 5:3-5 speaks of
>>> rejoicing in our sufferings, knowing
>>> that suffering produces perseverance.
>>> All who would live a godly life should
>>> expect persecution and crosses (2
>>> Timothy 3:12-13). This section calls
>>> believers to a deep, sacrificial
>>> following of Christ, braced for
>>> opposition, yet anchored in hope.
>>>
>>> 4) By Hoping for Glory (28-36)
>>>
>>> The transfiguration provides a glimpse
>>> of the glory awaiting those who
>>> faithfully carry their cross. This hope
>>> of glory is what sustains believers
>>> through trials. Similarly, Stephen
>>> received a vision of glory in Acts,
>>> while he was being stone to death.
>>> Colossians 1:27 and 1 peter 1 speak to
>>> the mystery of Christ in us, the hope of
>>> glory. This glorious vision fuels our
>>> perseverance, reminding us that our
>>> present sufferings are not worth
>>> comparing with the glory that will be
>>> revealed in us (Romans 8:18).
>>>
>>> 5) Walking in Humility (46-50)
>>>
>>> The lesson of humility, taught through
>>> the example of a child and Jesus’ rebuke
>>> of the disciples' exclusionary spirit,
>>> underscores the importance of a humble
>>> heart in following Christ. Ephesians
>>> 4:2-3 urges us to be completely humble
>>> and gentle, bearing with one another in
>>> love. 1 Corinthians 12 shows we should
>>> acknowledge the gifts others have to
>>> minister for God. Denying other people
>>> opportunities for service can promote
>>> divisions within the body of Christ.
>>> This segment calls us to embrace
>>> humility as a core aspect of our
>>> discipleship journey.
>>>
>>> Exhortation
>>>
>>> In the journey of following Christ, Luke
>>> 9 outlines crucial steps: preaching the
>>> Gospel, ministering to those in need,
>>> bearing our cross, hoping for future
>>> glory, and walking in humility. Each
>>> step is a call to deeper commitment and
>>> faithfulness.
>
>>
>> This is just religious junk wank talk.
>>
>> "Shoulda" people charade, lukewarmism pretending to be something, all
>> of it only a profession of belief without actually believing—trying
>> to convince themselves to be what they already are meant to be.
>>
>> Let's make it simple:
>>
>> You are either committed and faithful, or piss off. There is no
>> "deeper." You either love God or you don't!
>>
>> Sheesh!
>>
>> Plain and simple.
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>
>
> Good point.

I mean, how simple is it, Ted?

Even Maximus Moronimus could see that! Well, maybe not, but an idiot could!

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
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 by: Ted - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 17:09 UTC

Michael Christ wrote:

> On 14/04/2024 3:35 am, Ted wrote:
> > Michael Christ wrote:
> >
> > > On 13/04/2024 2:09 am, ChristRose wrote:
> > > > Context
> > > >
> > > > Luke 9 stands as a pivotal chapter
> > > > within the Gospel of Luke, bridging the
> > > > early ministry of Jesus with His journey
> > > > towards Jerusalem and the culmination of
> > > > His earthly mission. It provides an
> > > > example of what you should expect when
> > > > you follow Christ in discipleship, and
> > > > how you should walk that path.
> > > >
> > > > Proposition
> > > >
> > > > You should follow Christ.
> > > >
> > > > Following Christ is the essence of
> > > > Christian living. Luke 9 intricately
> > > > showcases this through a variety of
> > > > narratives, each pointing to the
> > > > multifaceted journey of discipleship.
> > > > This chapter doesn't stand alone; the
> > > > apostle Paul emphasizes the same theme
> > > > in Romans 12:1-2, urging believers to
> > > > present their bodies as a living
> > > > sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this
> > > > is true and proper worship. Similarly,
> > > > in Ephesians 5:1-2, believers are
> > > > encouraged to imitate God, walking in
> > > > love just as Christ loved us. The entire
> > > > New Testament is woven with this golden
> > > > thread: following Christ is our highest
> > > > calling and greatest privilege.
> > > >
> > > > Transition
> > > >
> > > > Luke 9 vividly illustrates several ways
> > > > to follow Christ, each teaching us
> > > > profound lessons on discipleship.
> > > >
> > > > 1) By Preaching the Gospel (1-10)
> > > >
> > > > When Jesus sends the Twelve, He empowers
> > > > them to preach the Kingdom of God and to
> > > > heal. Their mission draws attention,
> > > > even from Herod, signaling the
> > > > transformative power of the Gospel. This
> > > > action isn't just historical; it's a
> > > > template for us. Romans 1:16 declares
> > > > the Gospel as the power of God for
> > > > salvation to everyone who believes.
> > > > Philippians 1:27-28 further encourages
> > > > believers to conduct themselves in a
> > > > manner worthy of the gospel of Christ.
> > > > That whole chapter reflects the joy it
> > > > brings when believers become bold to
> > > > proclaim the gospel, in the face of
> > > > opposition. Our call is clear: like the
> > > > Twelve, we should boldly proclaim the
> > > > Good News of Christ's death and
> > > > resurrection, relying on the Spirit’s
> > > > power, not our own.
> > > >
> > > > 2) By Ministering to People (11-17,
> > > > 37-43, 51-56)
> > > >
> > > > Jesus’ compassion shines as He feeds the
> > > > hungry, heals the demon-possessed, and
> > > > perseveres through rejection. His
> > > > response to the Samaritans' rejection,
> > > > moving to another village, teaches us
> > > > resilience in ministry. Galatians 6:9
> > > > encourages us not to grow weary in doing
> > > > good, for at the proper time we will
> > > > reap a harvest if we do not give up.
> > > > This segment underscores a vital aspect
> > > > of following Christ: ministering to
> > > > those in need, patiently enduring
> > > > rejection, and moving forward to seek
> > > > new opportunities to proclaim Christ to
> > > > others.
> > > >
> > > > 3) By Taking Up Your Cross (18-27,
> > > > 44-45, 57-62)
> > > >
> > > > The confession that Jesus is the "Christ
> > > > of God" is foundational. Immediately
> > > > after this confession, Jesus prepares
> > > > the disciple for an expectation of
> > > > suffering. He introduces the concept of
> > > > taking up one’s cross, a call to endure
> > > > hardship for His sake. This stark
> > > > contrast between the crowd's marvel and
> > > > the impending suffering highlights the
> > > > cost of discipleship. The epistles echo
> > > > this call; Romans 5:3-5 speaks of
> > > > rejoicing in our sufferings, knowing
> > > > that suffering produces perseverance.
> > > > All who would live a godly life should
> > > > expect persecution and crosses (2
> > > > Timothy 3:12-13). This section calls
> > > > believers to a deep, sacrificial
> > > > following of Christ, braced for
> > > > opposition, yet anchored in hope.
> > > >
> > > > 4) By Hoping for Glory (28-36)
> > > >
> > > > The transfiguration provides a glimpse
> > > > of the glory awaiting those who
> > > > faithfully carry their cross. This hope
> > > > of glory is what sustains believers
> > > > through trials. Similarly, Stephen
> > > > received a vision of glory in Acts,
> > > > while he was being stone to death.
> > > > Colossians 1:27 and 1 peter 1 speak to
> > > > the mystery of Christ in us, the hope of
> > > > glory. This glorious vision fuels our
> > > > perseverance, reminding us that our
> > > > present sufferings are not worth
> > > > comparing with the glory that will be
> > > > revealed in us (Romans 8:18).
> > > >
> > > > 5) Walking in Humility (46-50)
> > > >
> > > > The lesson of humility, taught through
> > > > the example of a child and Jesus’ rebuke
> > > > of the disciples' exclusionary spirit,
> > > > underscores the importance of a humble
> > > > heart in following Christ. Ephesians
> > > > 4:2-3 urges us to be completely humble
> > > > and gentle, bearing with one another in
> > > > love. 1 Corinthians 12 shows we should
> > > > acknowledge the gifts others have to
> > > > minister for God. Denying other people
> > > > opportunities for service can promote
> > > > divisions within the body of Christ.
> > > > This segment calls us to embrace
> > > > humility as a core aspect of our
> > > > discipleship journey.
> > > >
> > > > Exhortation
> > > >
> > > > In the journey of following Christ, Luke
> > > > 9 outlines crucial steps: preaching the
> > > > Gospel, ministering to those in need,
> > > > bearing our cross, hoping for future
> > > > glory, and walking in humility. Each
> > > > step is a call to deeper commitment and
> > > > faithfulness.
> >
> > >
> > > This is just religious junk wank talk.
> > >
> > > "Shoulda" people charade, lukewarmism pretending to be something,
> > > all of it only a profession of belief without actually
> > > believing—trying to convince themselves to be what they already
> > > are meant to be.
> > >
> > > Let's make it simple:
> > >
> > > You are either committed and faithful, or piss off. There is no
> > > "deeper." You either love God or you don't!
> > >
> > > Sheesh!
> > >
> > > Plain and simple.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael Christ
> > >
> >

> >
> > Good point.

>
> I mean, how simple is it, Ted?
>
> Even Maximus Moronimus could see that! Well, maybe not, but an idiot
> could!

LOL!

>
>
> Michael Christ

Your thoughts are very similar to my own when I was a christer. It's
rare.

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 by: Michael Christ - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 22:01 UTC

On 16/04/2024 3:09 am, Ted wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>
>> On 14/04/2024 3:35 am, Ted wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 13/04/2024 2:09 am, ChristRose wrote:
>>>>> Context
>>>>>
>>>>> Luke 9 stands as a pivotal chapter
>>>>> within the Gospel of Luke, bridging the
>>>>> early ministry of Jesus with His journey
>>>>> towards Jerusalem and the culmination of
>>>>> His earthly mission. It provides an
>>>>> example of what you should expect when
>>>>> you follow Christ in discipleship, and
>>>>> how you should walk that path.
>>>>>
>>>>> Proposition
>>>>>
>>>>> You should follow Christ.
>>>>>
>>>>> Following Christ is the essence of
>>>>> Christian living. Luke 9 intricately
>>>>> showcases this through a variety of
>>>>> narratives, each pointing to the
>>>>> multifaceted journey of discipleship.
>>>>> This chapter doesn't stand alone; the
>>>>> apostle Paul emphasizes the same theme
>>>>> in Romans 12:1-2, urging believers to
>>>>> present their bodies as a living
>>>>> sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this
>>>>> is true and proper worship. Similarly,
>>>>> in Ephesians 5:1-2, believers are
>>>>> encouraged to imitate God, walking in
>>>>> love just as Christ loved us. The entire
>>>>> New Testament is woven with this golden
>>>>> thread: following Christ is our highest
>>>>> calling and greatest privilege.
>>>>>
>>>>> Transition
>>>>>
>>>>> Luke 9 vividly illustrates several ways
>>>>> to follow Christ, each teaching us
>>>>> profound lessons on discipleship.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1) By Preaching the Gospel (1-10)
>>>>>
>>>>> When Jesus sends the Twelve, He empowers
>>>>> them to preach the Kingdom of God and to
>>>>> heal. Their mission draws attention,
>>>>> even from Herod, signaling the
>>>>> transformative power of the Gospel. This
>>>>> action isn't just historical; it's a
>>>>> template for us. Romans 1:16 declares
>>>>> the Gospel as the power of God for
>>>>> salvation to everyone who believes.
>>>>> Philippians 1:27-28 further encourages
>>>>> believers to conduct themselves in a
>>>>> manner worthy of the gospel of Christ.
>>>>> That whole chapter reflects the joy it
>>>>> brings when believers become bold to
>>>>> proclaim the gospel, in the face of
>>>>> opposition. Our call is clear: like the
>>>>> Twelve, we should boldly proclaim the
>>>>> Good News of Christ's death and
>>>>> resurrection, relying on the Spirit’s
>>>>> power, not our own.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2) By Ministering to People (11-17,
>>>>> 37-43, 51-56)
>>>>>
>>>>> Jesus’ compassion shines as He feeds the
>>>>> hungry, heals the demon-possessed, and
>>>>> perseveres through rejection. His
>>>>> response to the Samaritans' rejection,
>>>>> moving to another village, teaches us
>>>>> resilience in ministry. Galatians 6:9
>>>>> encourages us not to grow weary in doing
>>>>> good, for at the proper time we will
>>>>> reap a harvest if we do not give up.
>>>>> This segment underscores a vital aspect
>>>>> of following Christ: ministering to
>>>>> those in need, patiently enduring
>>>>> rejection, and moving forward to seek
>>>>> new opportunities to proclaim Christ to
>>>>> others.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3) By Taking Up Your Cross (18-27,
>>>>> 44-45, 57-62)
>>>>>
>>>>> The confession that Jesus is the "Christ
>>>>> of God" is foundational. Immediately
>>>>> after this confession, Jesus prepares
>>>>> the disciple for an expectation of
>>>>> suffering. He introduces the concept of
>>>>> taking up one’s cross, a call to endure
>>>>> hardship for His sake. This stark
>>>>> contrast between the crowd's marvel and
>>>>> the impending suffering highlights the
>>>>> cost of discipleship. The epistles echo
>>>>> this call; Romans 5:3-5 speaks of
>>>>> rejoicing in our sufferings, knowing
>>>>> that suffering produces perseverance.
>>>>> All who would live a godly life should
>>>>> expect persecution and crosses (2
>>>>> Timothy 3:12-13). This section calls
>>>>> believers to a deep, sacrificial
>>>>> following of Christ, braced for
>>>>> opposition, yet anchored in hope.
>>>>>
>>>>> 4) By Hoping for Glory (28-36)
>>>>>
>>>>> The transfiguration provides a glimpse
>>>>> of the glory awaiting those who
>>>>> faithfully carry their cross. This hope
>>>>> of glory is what sustains believers
>>>>> through trials. Similarly, Stephen
>>>>> received a vision of glory in Acts,
>>>>> while he was being stone to death.
>>>>> Colossians 1:27 and 1 peter 1 speak to
>>>>> the mystery of Christ in us, the hope of
>>>>> glory. This glorious vision fuels our
>>>>> perseverance, reminding us that our
>>>>> present sufferings are not worth
>>>>> comparing with the glory that will be
>>>>> revealed in us (Romans 8:18).
>>>>>
>>>>> 5) Walking in Humility (46-50)
>>>>>
>>>>> The lesson of humility, taught through
>>>>> the example of a child and Jesus’ rebuke
>>>>> of the disciples' exclusionary spirit,
>>>>> underscores the importance of a humble
>>>>> heart in following Christ. Ephesians
>>>>> 4:2-3 urges us to be completely humble
>>>>> and gentle, bearing with one another in
>>>>> love. 1 Corinthians 12 shows we should
>>>>> acknowledge the gifts others have to
>>>>> minister for God. Denying other people
>>>>> opportunities for service can promote
>>>>> divisions within the body of Christ.
>>>>> This segment calls us to embrace
>>>>> humility as a core aspect of our
>>>>> discipleship journey.
>>>>>
>>>>> Exhortation
>>>>>
>>>>> In the journey of following Christ, Luke
>>>>> 9 outlines crucial steps: preaching the
>>>>> Gospel, ministering to those in need,
>>>>> bearing our cross, hoping for future
>>>>> glory, and walking in humility. Each
>>>>> step is a call to deeper commitment and
>>>>> faithfulness.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is just religious junk wank talk.
>>>>
>>>> "Shoulda" people charade, lukewarmism pretending to be something,
>>>> all of it only a profession of belief without actually
>>>> believing—trying to convince themselves to be what they already
>>>> are meant to be.
>>>>
>>>> Let's make it simple:
>>>>
>>>> You are either committed and faithful, or piss off. There is no
>>>> "deeper." You either love God or you don't!
>>>>
>>>> Sheesh!
>>>>
>>>> Plain and simple.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>
>>>
>
>>>
>>> Good point.
>
>>
>> I mean, how simple is it, Ted?
>>
>> Even Maximus Moronimus could see that! Well, maybe not, but an idiot
>> could!
>
>
> LOL!
>
>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>
>
>
> Your thoughts are very similar to my own when I was a christer. It's
> rare.


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You cry crocodile tears while lollygagging worshipfully before your golden calf named Papa.

And you break this commandment with your idol:

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."

You continuously bear false witness against the brethren of Jesus who believe what he said about who God is: the Father alone.

You also bear false witness against the Father in Heaven and Jesus the Christ by replacing them with the fake Roman Jesus.

And now we see who the sinner whore is--the one who protests them loudest.

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 by: Ted - Mon, 22 Apr 2024 01:06 UTC

Michael Christ wrote:

> On 16/04/2024 3:09 am, Ted wrote:
> > Michael Christ wrote:
> >
> > > On 14/04/2024 3:35 am, Ted wrote:
> > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 13/04/2024 2:09 am, ChristRose wrote:
> > > > > > Context
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Luke 9 stands as a pivotal chapter
> > > > > > within the Gospel of Luke, bridging the
> > > > > > early ministry of Jesus with His journey
> > > > > > towards Jerusalem and the culmination of
> > > > > > His earthly mission. It provides an
> > > > > > example of what you should expect when
> > > > > > you follow Christ in discipleship, and
> > > > > > how you should walk that path.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Proposition
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You should follow Christ.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Following Christ is the essence of
> > > > > > Christian living. Luke 9 intricately
> > > > > > showcases this through a variety of
> > > > > > narratives, each pointing to the
> > > > > > multifaceted journey of discipleship.
> > > > > > This chapter doesn't stand alone; the
> > > > > > apostle Paul emphasizes the same theme
> > > > > > in Romans 12:1-2, urging believers to
> > > > > > present their bodies as a living
> > > > > > sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this
> > > > > > is true and proper worship. Similarly,
> > > > > > in Ephesians 5:1-2, believers are
> > > > > > encouraged to imitate God, walking in
> > > > > > love just as Christ loved us. The entire
> > > > > > New Testament is woven with this golden
> > > > > > thread: following Christ is our highest
> > > > > > calling and greatest privilege.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Transition
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Luke 9 vividly illustrates several ways
> > > > > > to follow Christ, each teaching us
> > > > > > profound lessons on discipleship.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) By Preaching the Gospel (1-10)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When Jesus sends the Twelve, He empowers
> > > > > > them to preach the Kingdom of God and to
> > > > > > heal. Their mission draws attention,
> > > > > > even from Herod, signaling the
> > > > > > transformative power of the Gospel. This
> > > > > > action isn't just historical; it's a
> > > > > > template for us. Romans 1:16 declares
> > > > > > the Gospel as the power of God for
> > > > > > salvation to everyone who believes.
> > > > > > Philippians 1:27-28 further encourages
> > > > > > believers to conduct themselves in a
> > > > > > manner worthy of the gospel of Christ.
> > > > > > That whole chapter reflects the joy it
> > > > > > brings when believers become bold to
> > > > > > proclaim the gospel, in the face of
> > > > > > opposition. Our call is clear: like the
> > > > > > Twelve, we should boldly proclaim the
> > > > > > Good News of Christ's death and
> > > > > > resurrection, relying on the Spirit’s
> > > > > > power, not our own.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2) By Ministering to People (11-17,
> > > > > > 37-43, 51-56)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jesus’ compassion shines as He feeds the
> > > > > > hungry, heals the demon-possessed, and
> > > > > > perseveres through rejection. His
> > > > > > response to the Samaritans' rejection,
> > > > > > moving to another village, teaches us
> > > > > > resilience in ministry. Galatians 6:9
> > > > > > encourages us not to grow weary in doing
> > > > > > good, for at the proper time we will
> > > > > > reap a harvest if we do not give up.
> > > > > > This segment underscores a vital aspect
> > > > > > of following Christ: ministering to
> > > > > > those in need, patiently enduring
> > > > > > rejection, and moving forward to seek
> > > > > > new opportunities to proclaim Christ to
> > > > > > others.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3) By Taking Up Your Cross (18-27,
> > > > > > 44-45, 57-62)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The confession that Jesus is the "Christ
> > > > > > of God" is foundational. Immediately
> > > > > > after this confession, Jesus prepares
> > > > > > the disciple for an expectation of
> > > > > > suffering. He introduces the concept of
> > > > > > taking up one’s cross, a call to endure
> > > > > > hardship for His sake. This stark
> > > > > > contrast between the crowd's marvel and
> > > > > > the impending suffering highlights the
> > > > > > cost of discipleship. The epistles echo
> > > > > > this call; Romans 5:3-5 speaks of
> > > > > > rejoicing in our sufferings, knowing
> > > > > > that suffering produces perseverance.
> > > > > > All who would live a godly life should
> > > > > > expect persecution and crosses (2
> > > > > > Timothy 3:12-13). This section calls
> > > > > > believers to a deep, sacrificial
> > > > > > following of Christ, braced for
> > > > > > opposition, yet anchored in hope.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 4) By Hoping for Glory (28-36)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The transfiguration provides a glimpse
> > > > > > of the glory awaiting those who
> > > > > > faithfully carry their cross. This hope
> > > > > > of glory is what sustains believers
> > > > > > through trials. Similarly, Stephen
> > > > > > received a vision of glory in Acts,
> > > > > > while he was being stone to death.
> > > > > > Colossians 1:27 and 1 peter 1 speak to
> > > > > > the mystery of Christ in us, the hope of
> > > > > > glory. This glorious vision fuels our
> > > > > > perseverance, reminding us that our
> > > > > > present sufferings are not worth
> > > > > > comparing with the glory that will be
> > > > > > revealed in us (Romans 8:18).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 5) Walking in Humility (46-50)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The lesson of humility, taught through
> > > > > > the example of a child and Jesus’ rebuke
> > > > > > of the disciples' exclusionary spirit,
> > > > > > underscores the importance of a humble
> > > > > > heart in following Christ. Ephesians
> > > > > > 4:2-3 urges us to be completely humble
> > > > > > and gentle, bearing with one another in
> > > > > > love. 1 Corinthians 12 shows we should
> > > > > > acknowledge the gifts others have to
> > > > > > minister for God. Denying other people
> > > > > > opportunities for service can promote
> > > > > > divisions within the body of Christ.
> > > > > > This segment calls us to embrace
> > > > > > humility as a core aspect of our
> > > > > > discipleship journey.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Exhortation
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In the journey of following Christ, Luke
> > > > > > 9 outlines crucial steps: preaching the
> > > > > > Gospel, ministering to those in need,
> > > > > > bearing our cross, hoping for future
> > > > > > glory, and walking in humility. Each
> > > > > > step is a call to deeper commitment and
> > > > > > faithfulness.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This is just religious junk wank talk.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Shoulda" people charade, lukewarmism pretending to be
> > > > > something, all of it only a profession of belief without
> > > > > actually believing—trying to convince themselves to be what
> > > > > they already are meant to be.
> > > > >
> > > > > Let's make it simple:
> > > > >
> > > > > You are either committed and faithful, or piss off. There is
> > > > > no "deeper." You either love God or you don't!
> > > > >
> > > > > Sheesh!
> > > > >
> > > > > Plain and simple.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Christ
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
> > > >
> > > > Good point.
> >
> > >
> > > I mean, how simple is it, Ted?
> > >
> > > Even Maximus Moronimus could see that! Well, maybe not, but an
> > > idiot could!
> >
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael Christ
> >
> >
> >
> > Your thoughts are very similar to my own when I was a christer. It's
> > rare.


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 by: Michael Christ - Mon, 22 Apr 2024 03:19 UTC

On 22/04/2024 11:06 am, Ted wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>
>> On 16/04/2024 3:09 am, Ted wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 14/04/2024 3:35 am, Ted wrote:
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 2:09 am, ChristRose wrote:
>>>>>>> Context
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Luke 9 stands as a pivotal chapter
>>>>>>> within the Gospel of Luke, bridging the
>>>>>>> early ministry of Jesus with His journey
>>>>>>> towards Jerusalem and the culmination of
>>>>>>> His earthly mission. It provides an
>>>>>>> example of what you should expect when
>>>>>>> you follow Christ in discipleship, and
>>>>>>> how you should walk that path.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Proposition
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You should follow Christ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Following Christ is the essence of
>>>>>>> Christian living. Luke 9 intricately
>>>>>>> showcases this through a variety of
>>>>>>> narratives, each pointing to the
>>>>>>> multifaceted journey of discipleship.
>>>>>>> This chapter doesn't stand alone; the
>>>>>>> apostle Paul emphasizes the same theme
>>>>>>> in Romans 12:1-2, urging believers to
>>>>>>> present their bodies as a living
>>>>>>> sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God—this
>>>>>>> is true and proper worship. Similarly,
>>>>>>> in Ephesians 5:1-2, believers are
>>>>>>> encouraged to imitate God, walking in
>>>>>>> love just as Christ loved us. The entire
>>>>>>> New Testament is woven with this golden
>>>>>>> thread: following Christ is our highest
>>>>>>> calling and greatest privilege.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Transition
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Luke 9 vividly illustrates several ways
>>>>>>> to follow Christ, each teaching us
>>>>>>> profound lessons on discipleship.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1) By Preaching the Gospel (1-10)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When Jesus sends the Twelve, He empowers
>>>>>>> them to preach the Kingdom of God and to
>>>>>>> heal. Their mission draws attention,
>>>>>>> even from Herod, signaling the
>>>>>>> transformative power of the Gospel. This
>>>>>>> action isn't just historical; it's a
>>>>>>> template for us. Romans 1:16 declares
>>>>>>> the Gospel as the power of God for
>>>>>>> salvation to everyone who believes.
>>>>>>> Philippians 1:27-28 further encourages
>>>>>>> believers to conduct themselves in a
>>>>>>> manner worthy of the gospel of Christ.
>>>>>>> That whole chapter reflects the joy it
>>>>>>> brings when believers become bold to
>>>>>>> proclaim the gospel, in the face of
>>>>>>> opposition. Our call is clear: like the
>>>>>>> Twelve, we should boldly proclaim the
>>>>>>> Good News of Christ's death and
>>>>>>> resurrection, relying on the Spirit’s
>>>>>>> power, not our own.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2) By Ministering to People (11-17,
>>>>>>> 37-43, 51-56)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jesus’ compassion shines as He feeds the
>>>>>>> hungry, heals the demon-possessed, and
>>>>>>> perseveres through rejection. His
>>>>>>> response to the Samaritans' rejection,
>>>>>>> moving to another village, teaches us
>>>>>>> resilience in ministry. Galatians 6:9
>>>>>>> encourages us not to grow weary in doing
>>>>>>> good, for at the proper time we will
>>>>>>> reap a harvest if we do not give up.
>>>>>>> This segment underscores a vital aspect
>>>>>>> of following Christ: ministering to
>>>>>>> those in need, patiently enduring
>>>>>>> rejection, and moving forward to seek
>>>>>>> new opportunities to proclaim Christ to
>>>>>>> others.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3) By Taking Up Your Cross (18-27,
>>>>>>> 44-45, 57-62)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The confession that Jesus is the "Christ
>>>>>>> of God" is foundational. Immediately
>>>>>>> after this confession, Jesus prepares
>>>>>>> the disciple for an expectation of
>>>>>>> suffering. He introduces the concept of
>>>>>>> taking up one’s cross, a call to endure
>>>>>>> hardship for His sake. This stark
>>>>>>> contrast between the crowd's marvel and
>>>>>>> the impending suffering highlights the
>>>>>>> cost of discipleship. The epistles echo
>>>>>>> this call; Romans 5:3-5 speaks of
>>>>>>> rejoicing in our sufferings, knowing
>>>>>>> that suffering produces perseverance.
>>>>>>> All who would live a godly life should
>>>>>>> expect persecution and crosses (2
>>>>>>> Timothy 3:12-13). This section calls
>>>>>>> believers to a deep, sacrificial
>>>>>>> following of Christ, braced for
>>>>>>> opposition, yet anchored in hope.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4) By Hoping for Glory (28-36)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The transfiguration provides a glimpse
>>>>>>> of the glory awaiting those who
>>>>>>> faithfully carry their cross. This hope
>>>>>>> of glory is what sustains believers
>>>>>>> through trials. Similarly, Stephen
>>>>>>> received a vision of glory in Acts,
>>>>>>> while he was being stone to death.
>>>>>>> Colossians 1:27 and 1 peter 1 speak to
>>>>>>> the mystery of Christ in us, the hope of
>>>>>>> glory. This glorious vision fuels our
>>>>>>> perseverance, reminding us that our
>>>>>>> present sufferings are not worth
>>>>>>> comparing with the glory that will be
>>>>>>> revealed in us (Romans 8:18).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 5) Walking in Humility (46-50)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The lesson of humility, taught through
>>>>>>> the example of a child and Jesus’ rebuke
>>>>>>> of the disciples' exclusionary spirit,
>>>>>>> underscores the importance of a humble
>>>>>>> heart in following Christ. Ephesians
>>>>>>> 4:2-3 urges us to be completely humble
>>>>>>> and gentle, bearing with one another in
>>>>>>> love. 1 Corinthians 12 shows we should
>>>>>>> acknowledge the gifts others have to
>>>>>>> minister for God. Denying other people
>>>>>>> opportunities for service can promote
>>>>>>> divisions within the body of Christ.
>>>>>>> This segment calls us to embrace
>>>>>>> humility as a core aspect of our
>>>>>>> discipleship journey.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Exhortation
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the journey of following Christ, Luke
>>>>>>> 9 outlines crucial steps: preaching the
>>>>>>> Gospel, ministering to those in need,
>>>>>>> bearing our cross, hoping for future
>>>>>>> glory, and walking in humility. Each
>>>>>>> step is a call to deeper commitment and
>>>>>>> faithfulness.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is just religious junk wank talk.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Shoulda" people charade, lukewarmism pretending to be
>>>>>> something, all of it only a profession of belief without
>>>>>> actually believing—trying to convince themselves to be what
>>>>>> they already are meant to be.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's make it simple:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You are either committed and faithful, or piss off. There is
>>>>>> no "deeper." You either love God or you don't!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sheesh!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plain and simple.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Good point.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I mean, how simple is it, Ted?
>>>>
>>>> Even Maximus Moronimus could see that! Well, maybe not, but an
>>>> idiot could!
>>>
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your thoughts are very similar to my own when I was a christer. It's
>>> rare.
>
>>
>> Absolutely.
>>
>> Those sinner Christians, modern age Pharisees, find what I say to be
>> repugnant and offensive, which does nothing but confirm what I say as
>> I know what they are and what they pretend to be.
>>
>> However, the fact that you understand numerous things I say leads me
>> to wonder why you didn't go on? I know why an old friend of mine
>> didn't go on; he was similar to you. He chose his family first.
>>
>> The light always comes after the darkest part of the night. Well, it
>> was that way for me, but I did run when in the darkness—but I came
>> back, for good!
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>
>
> Your words are quite appealing, they bring back memories. But I know
> too much now to ever again be a Christian.


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