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 by: Michael Christ - Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:14 UTC

(KJV)
Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine
integrity? curse God, and die.

You could write a book on that verse.

It is true, Job's wife was trying to get him to choose himself, not God,
like she chose herself (at that time) and not God.

Job was still at that point.

But this is the point that Job finally lost his life, choosing God
before all else...

(KJV)
Job 42:5  I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine
eye seeth thee.
Job 42:6  Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.

Job chose God. That didn't make him righteous; that made him dust and
ashes—what he really was. And now God had full control over the clay to
make him into the image of Himself in the Messiah to come.

Job would go down into the grave 'in the faith' to receive the Messiah,
along with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, and all those others.

Now, "Christian," be not fooled by the lukewarm religionists seeking
followers or con yourself! Unless you come to that place of Job's
"abhorrence" and "dust and ashes," you'll always be serving yourself in
your religion (and in your bible) and not Him.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

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 by: Ted - Thu, 4 Apr 2024 18:12 UTC

Michael Christ wrote:

> (KJV)
> Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine
> integrity? curse God, and die.
>
> You could write a book on that verse.
>
> It is true, Job's wife was trying to get him to choose himself, not
> God, like she chose herself (at that time) and not God.
>
> Job was still at that point.
>
> But this is the point that Job finally lost his life, choosing God
> before all else...
>
> (KJV)
> Job 42:5  I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now
> mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6  Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent
> in dust and ashes.
>
> Job chose God. That didn't make him righteous; that made him dust and
> ashes—what he really was. And now God had full control over the clay
> to make him into the image of Himself in the Messiah to come.
>
> Job would go down into the grave 'in the faith' to receive the
> Messiah, along with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, and all those
> others.
>
> Now, "Christian," be not fooled by the lukewarm religionists seeking
> followers or con yourself! Unless you come to that place of Job's
> "abhorrence" and "dust and ashes," you'll always be serving yourself
> in your religion (and in your bible) and not Him.
>
>
>
> Michael Christ

Very well said, MX! If I ever become a preacher, I'll hire you to write
my sermons.

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 by: Michael Christ - Thu, 4 Apr 2024 22:42 UTC

On 5/04/2024 5:12 am, Ted wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>
>> (KJV)
>> Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine
>> integrity? curse God, and die.
>>
>> You could write a book on that verse.
>>
>> It is true, Job's wife was trying to get him to choose himself, not
>> God, like she chose herself (at that time) and not God.
>>
>> Job was still at that point.
>>
>> But this is the point that Job finally lost his life, choosing God
>> before all else...
>>
>> (KJV)
>> Job 42:5  I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now
>> mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6  Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent
>> in dust and ashes.
>>
>> Job chose God. That didn't make him righteous; that made him dust and
>> ashes—what he really was. And now God had full control over the clay
>> to make him into the image of Himself in the Messiah to come.
>>
>> Job would go down into the grave 'in the faith' to receive the
>> Messiah, along with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, and all those
>> others.
>>
>> Now, "Christian," be not fooled by the lukewarm religionists seeking
>> followers or con yourself! Unless you come to that place of Job's
>> "abhorrence" and "dust and ashes," you'll always be serving yourself
>> in your religion (and in your bible) and not Him.

Ted wrote:
> Very well said, MX! If I ever become a preacher, I'll hire you to write
> my sermons.

It would be a pleasure to serve you, and I'll do it for free.

The only thing I would request is that you would be so kind as to impart
a blessing—a spaghetti bolognese that only those who know how to cook it
would cook.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

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 by: Ted - Fri, 5 Apr 2024 14:26 UTC

Michael Christ wrote:

> On 5/04/2024 5:12 am, Ted wrote:
> > Michael Christ wrote:
> >
> > > (KJV)
> > > Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine
> > > integrity? curse God, and die.
> > >
> > > You could write a book on that verse.
> > >
> > > It is true, Job's wife was trying to get him to choose himself,
> > > not God, like she chose herself (at that time) and not God.
> > >
> > > Job was still at that point.
> > >
> > > But this is the point that Job finally lost his life, choosing God
> > > before all else...
> > >
> > > (KJV)
> > > Job 42:5  I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now
> > > mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6  Wherefore I abhor myself, and
> > > repent in dust and ashes.
> > >
> > > Job chose God. That didn't make him righteous; that made him dust
> > > and ashes—what he really was. And now God had full control over
> > > the clay to make him into the image of Himself in the Messiah to
> > > come.
> > >
> > > Job would go down into the grave 'in the faith' to receive the
> > > Messiah, along with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, and all those
> > > others.
> > >
> > > Now, "Christian," be not fooled by the lukewarm religionists
> > > seeking followers or con yourself! Unless you come to that place
> > > of Job's "abhorrence" and "dust and ashes," you'll always be
> > > serving yourself in your religion (and in your bible) and not Him.
>
> Ted wrote:
> > Very well said, MX! If I ever become a preacher, I'll hire you to
> > write my sermons.
>
> It would be a pleasure to serve you, and I'll do it for free.
>

Thanks man.

> The only thing I would request is that you would be so kind as to
> impart a blessing—a spaghetti bolognese that only those who know how
> to cook it would cook.
>
>
> Michael Christ

Oh heck yeah. The women in my family can make all sorts of delicious
dago food.

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 by: Michael Christ - Fri, 5 Apr 2024 22:22 UTC

On 6/04/2024 1:26 am, Ted wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>
>> On 5/04/2024 5:12 am, Ted wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>
>>>> (KJV)
>>>> Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine
>>>> integrity? curse God, and die.
>>>>
>>>> You could write a book on that verse.
>>>>
>>>> It is true, Job's wife was trying to get him to choose himself,
>>>> not God, like she chose herself (at that time) and not God.
>>>>
>>>> Job was still at that point.
>>>>
>>>> But this is the point that Job finally lost his life, choosing God
>>>> before all else...
>>>>
>>>> (KJV)
>>>> Job 42:5  I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now
>>>> mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6  Wherefore I abhor myself, and
>>>> repent in dust and ashes.
>>>>
>>>> Job chose God. That didn't make him righteous; that made him dust
>>>> and ashes—what he really was. And now God had full control over
>>>> the clay to make him into the image of Himself in the Messiah to
>>>> come.
>>>>
>>>> Job would go down into the grave 'in the faith' to receive the
>>>> Messiah, along with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, and all those
>>>> others.
>>>>
>>>> Now, "Christian," be not fooled by the lukewarm religionists
>>>> seeking followers or con yourself! Unless you come to that place
>>>> of Job's "abhorrence" and "dust and ashes," you'll always be
>>>> serving yourself in your religion (and in your bible) and not Him.
>>
>> Ted wrote:
>>> Very well said, MX! If I ever become a preacher, I'll hire you to
>>> write my sermons.
>>
>> It would be a pleasure to serve you, and I'll do it for free.
>>
>
>
> Thanks man.
>
>
>> The only thing I would request is that you would be so kind as to
>> impart a blessing—a spaghetti bolognese that only those who know how
>> to cook it would cook.
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>
>
> Oh heck yeah. The women in my family can make all sorts of delicious
> dago food.

And I like it! :-). My friend's mother, years ago, used to start cooking
the Sunday lunch sauce on Saturday morning!

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."


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 by: Ted - Sat, 6 Apr 2024 06:17 UTC

Michael Christ wrote:

> On 6/04/2024 1:26 am, Ted wrote:
> > Michael Christ wrote:
> >
> > > On 5/04/2024 5:12 am, Ted wrote:
> > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > (KJV)
> > > > > Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain
> > > > > thine integrity? curse God, and die.
> > > > >
> > > > > You could write a book on that verse.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is true, Job's wife was trying to get him to choose
> > > > > himself, not God, like she chose herself (at that time) and
> > > > > not God.
> > > > >
> > > > > Job was still at that point.
> > > > >
> > > > > But this is the point that Job finally lost his life,
> > > > > choosing God before all else...
> > > > >
> > > > > (KJV)
> > > > > Job 42:5  I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but
> > > > > now mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6  Wherefore I abhor myself,
> > > > > and repent in dust and ashes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Job chose God. That didn't make him righteous; that made him
> > > > > dust and ashes—what he really was. And now God had full
> > > > > control over the clay to make him into the image of Himself
> > > > > in the Messiah to come.
> > > > >
> > > > > Job would go down into the grave 'in the faith' to receive the
> > > > > Messiah, along with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, and all
> > > > > those others.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, "Christian," be not fooled by the lukewarm religionists
> > > > > seeking followers or con yourself! Unless you come to that
> > > > > place of Job's "abhorrence" and "dust and ashes," you'll
> > > > > always be serving yourself in your religion (and in your
> > > > > bible) and not Him.
> > >
> > > Ted wrote:
> > > > Very well said, MX! If I ever become a preacher, I'll hire you
> > > > to write my sermons.
> > >
> > > It would be a pleasure to serve you, and I'll do it for free.
> > >
> >
> >
> > Thanks man.
> >
> >
> > > The only thing I would request is that you would be so kind as to
> > > impart a blessing—a spaghetti bolognese that only those who know
> > > how to cook it would cook.
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael Christ
> >
> >
> > Oh heck yeah. The women in my family can make all sorts of delicious
> > dago food.

>
> And I like it! :-). My friend's mother, years ago, used to start
> cooking the Sunday lunch sauce on Saturday morning!
>
>
>
> Michael Christ

Yes, that sounds about right.

A ton of Italians migrated to the US. A bunch went to the Pittsburgh
area to work in the steel mills and established communities. In my home
town, near Pittsburgh, almost everybody has an Italian name.

You'd be surprised at the variety of Italian foods. There are different
variations depending on which part of Italy your family is from. Some
Italians, e.g., never use tomato sauce.

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 by: Michael Christ - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 00:31 UTC

On 6/04/2024 5:17 pm, Ted wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>
>> On 6/04/2024 1:26 am, Ted wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/04/2024 5:12 am, Ted wrote:
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> (KJV)
>>>>>> Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain
>>>>>> thine integrity? curse God, and die.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could write a book on that verse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is true, Job's wife was trying to get him to choose
>>>>>> himself, not God, like she chose herself (at that time) and
>>>>>> not God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Job was still at that point.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But this is the point that Job finally lost his life,
>>>>>> choosing God before all else...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (KJV)
>>>>>> Job 42:5  I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but
>>>>>> now mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6  Wherefore I abhor myself,
>>>>>> and repent in dust and ashes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Job chose God. That didn't make him righteous; that made him
>>>>>> dust and ashes—what he really was. And now God had full
>>>>>> control over the clay to make him into the image of Himself
>>>>>> in the Messiah to come.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Job would go down into the grave 'in the faith' to receive the
>>>>>> Messiah, along with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, David, and all
>>>>>> those others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, "Christian," be not fooled by the lukewarm religionists
>>>>>> seeking followers or con yourself! Unless you come to that
>>>>>> place of Job's "abhorrence" and "dust and ashes," you'll
>>>>>> always be serving yourself in your religion (and in your
>>>>>> bible) and not Him.
>>>>
>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>> Very well said, MX! If I ever become a preacher, I'll hire you
>>>>> to write my sermons.
>>>>
>>>> It would be a pleasure to serve you, and I'll do it for free.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks man.
>>>
>>>
>>>> The only thing I would request is that you would be so kind as to
>>>> impart a blessing—a spaghetti bolognese that only those who know
>>>> how to cook it would cook.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh heck yeah. The women in my family can make all sorts of delicious
>>> dago food.
>
>>
>> And I like it! :-). My friend's mother, years ago, used to start
>> cooking the Sunday lunch sauce on Saturday morning!
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>
>
> Yes, that sounds about right.
>
> A ton of Italians migrated to the US. A bunch went to the Pittsburgh
> area to work in the steel mills and established communities. In my home
> town, near Pittsburgh, almost everybody has an Italian name.
>
> You'd be surprised at the variety of Italian foods. There are different
> variations depending on which part of Italy your family is from. Some
> Italians, e.g., never use tomato sauce.

Really? Okay.

My friend's family—I don't see them now because I travelled a lot—but I
remember all of us sitting around the table and yelling and laughing and
arguing and fighting over stupid things, but it was the unity I loved.

Two brothers will be going at it with hammer and tong, almost coming to
blows, but if a stranger criticises one of the brothers, the other
brother will rip his head off! :-).

Beautiful! I love it!

Something many Australian families just do not have!

Michael Christ

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"


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 by: Ted - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 19:35 UTC

Michael Christ wrote:

> On 6/04/2024 5:17 pm, Ted wrote:
> > Michael Christ wrote:
> >
> > > On 6/04/2024 1:26 am, Ted wrote:
> > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 5/04/2024 5:12 am, Ted wrote:
> > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > (KJV)
> > > > > > > Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still
> > > > > > > retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You could write a book on that verse.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is true, Job's wife was trying to get him to choose
> > > > > > > himself, not God, like she chose herself (at that time)
> > > > > > > and not God.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Job was still at that point.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But this is the point that Job finally lost his life,
> > > > > > > choosing God before all else...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > (KJV)
> > > > > > > Job 42:5  I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear:
> > > > > > > but now mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6  Wherefore I abhor
> > > > > > > myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Job chose God. That didn't make him righteous; that made
> > > > > > > him dust and ashes—what he really was. And now God had
> > > > > > > full control over the clay to make him into the image of
> > > > > > > Himself in the Messiah to come.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Job would go down into the grave 'in the faith' to
> > > > > > > receive the Messiah, along with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,
> > > > > > > David, and all those others.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now, "Christian," be not fooled by the lukewarm
> > > > > > > religionists seeking followers or con yourself! Unless
> > > > > > > you come to that place of Job's "abhorrence" and "dust
> > > > > > > and ashes," you'll always be serving yourself in your
> > > > > > > religion (and in your bible) and not Him.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ted wrote:
> > > > > > Very well said, MX! If I ever become a preacher, I'll hire
> > > > > > you to write my sermons.
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be a pleasure to serve you, and I'll do it for free.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks man.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The only thing I would request is that you would be so kind
> > > > > as to impart a blessing—a spaghetti bolognese that only those
> > > > > who know how to cook it would cook.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael Christ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh heck yeah. The women in my family can make all sorts of
> > > > delicious dago food.
> >
> > >
> > > And I like it! :-). My friend's mother, years ago, used to start
> > > cooking the Sunday lunch sauce on Saturday morning!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael Christ
> >
> >
> > Yes, that sounds about right.
> >
> > A ton of Italians migrated to the US. A bunch went to the Pittsburgh
> > area to work in the steel mills and established communities. In my
> > home town, near Pittsburgh, almost everybody has an Italian name.
> >
> > You'd be surprised at the variety of Italian foods. There are
> > different variations depending on which part of Italy your family
> > is from. Some Italians, e.g., never use tomato sauce.
>
> Really? Okay.
>
> My friend's family—I don't see them now because I travelled a lot—but
> I remember all of us sitting around the table and yelling and
> laughing and arguing and fighting over stupid things, but it was the
> unity I loved.
>

I know what you mean. It's how people are supposted to live.

> Two brothers will be going at it with hammer and tong, almost coming
> to blows, but if a stranger criticises one of the brothers, the other
> brother will rip his head off! :-).

Yeah, that isn't uncommon.

>
> Beautiful! I love it!
>
> Something many Australian families just do not have!
>
>
>
> Michael Christ

I guess Australia didn't have the massive immigration waves we did
here. That's interesting. I've travelled all over the US, and there are
many places like that here, e.g. the southeast. Most of the immigrants
from Italy remained in the northeast.

Here's an interesting fact: Chicago has more Polish people than any
city in Poland other than Warsaw. And a lot of them are first
generation. You can't go to Chicago without encountering somebody who
moved there from Poland.

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 by: Michael Christ - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 21:47 UTC

On 8/04/2024 5:35 am, Ted wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>
>> On 6/04/2024 5:17 pm, Ted wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/04/2024 1:26 am, Ted wrote:
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 5/04/2024 5:12 am, Ted wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (KJV)
>>>>>>>> Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still
>>>>>>>> retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You could write a book on that verse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is true, Job's wife was trying to get him to choose
>>>>>>>> himself, not God, like she chose herself (at that time)
>>>>>>>> and not God.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Job was still at that point.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But this is the point that Job finally lost his life,
>>>>>>>> choosing God before all else...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (KJV)
>>>>>>>> Job 42:5  I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear:
>>>>>>>> but now mine eye seeth thee. Job 42:6  Wherefore I abhor
>>>>>>>> myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Job chose God. That didn't make him righteous; that made
>>>>>>>> him dust and ashes—what he really was. And now God had
>>>>>>>> full control over the clay to make him into the image of
>>>>>>>> Himself in the Messiah to come.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Job would go down into the grave 'in the faith' to
>>>>>>>> receive the Messiah, along with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,
>>>>>>>> David, and all those others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, "Christian," be not fooled by the lukewarm
>>>>>>>> religionists seeking followers or con yourself! Unless
>>>>>>>> you come to that place of Job's "abhorrence" and "dust
>>>>>>>> and ashes," you'll always be serving yourself in your
>>>>>>>> religion (and in your bible) and not Him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>>>> Very well said, MX! If I ever become a preacher, I'll hire
>>>>>>> you to write my sermons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It would be a pleasure to serve you, and I'll do it for free.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks man.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The only thing I would request is that you would be so kind
>>>>>> as to impart a blessing—a spaghetti bolognese that only those
>>>>>> who know how to cook it would cook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh heck yeah. The women in my family can make all sorts of
>>>>> delicious dago food.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And I like it! :-). My friend's mother, years ago, used to start
>>>> cooking the Sunday lunch sauce on Saturday morning!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes, that sounds about right.
>>>
>>> A ton of Italians migrated to the US. A bunch went to the Pittsburgh
>>> area to work in the steel mills and established communities. In my
>>> home town, near Pittsburgh, almost everybody has an Italian name.
>>>
>>> You'd be surprised at the variety of Italian foods. There are
>>> different variations depending on which part of Italy your family
>>> is from. Some Italians, e.g., never use tomato sauce.
>>
>> Really? Okay.
>>
>> My friend's family—I don't see them now because I travelled a lot—but
>> I remember all of us sitting around the table and yelling and
>> laughing and arguing and fighting over stupid things, but it was the
>> unity I loved.
>>
>
>
> I know what you mean. It's how people are supposted to live.
>
>
>> Two brothers will be going at it with hammer and tong, almost coming
>> to blows, but if a stranger criticises one of the brothers, the other
>> brother will rip his head off! :-).
>
>
> Yeah, that isn't uncommon.
>
>>
>> Beautiful! I love it!
>>
>> Something many Australian families just do not have!
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>
>
> I guess Australia didn't have the massive immigration waves we did
> here. That's interesting. I've travelled all over the US, and there are
> many places like that here, e.g. the southeast. Most of the immigrants
> from Italy remained in the northeast.
>
> Here's an interesting fact: Chicago has more Polish people than any
> city in Poland other than Warsaw. And a lot of them are first
> generation. You can't go to Chicago without encountering somebody who
> moved there from Poland.

Surprising.

Michael Christ

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God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."


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 by: Obelisk Idol - Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:13 UTC

You weep tears of soy as you kiss the toes of your binitarian god-man idol.

And you break this commandment with your idol:

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour."

You continuously bear false witness against the brethren of Jesus who believe what he said about who God is: the Father alone.

You also bear false witness against the Father in Heaven and Jesus the Christ by replacing them with the fake Roman Jesus.

And now we see who the sinner whore is--the one who protests them loudest.

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 by: Obelisk Idol - Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:23 UTC

You conflate Jesus with Jupiter looking toward your deceptive dinky dios.

And you break this commandment with your idol:

"Honour thy father and thy mother."

You reject the counsel of your fathers and mothers recorded in holy writ. You dishonor their testimonies, which are the written word of God. You esteem the words of your father and mother as a plaything to abuse and amuse yourself and others.

Your hatred for the true brethren of Jesus drips from your venemous lips! You call them sinner whores when your words prove that your idol also makes you a sinner whore and a hypocrite.


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