"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v03e3t$cjvt$4@dont-email.me...

> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
> name an example of what God wills.
>
> Dawn

It is God's desire and His will for you to
be saved.

"For God sent not his Son into the world
to condemn the world; but that the world
through Him might be saved."

~ Jn 3:17

Andrew wrote:
> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v03e3t$cjvt$4@dont-email.me...
>
>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree, name an example
>> of what God wills.
>>
>> Dawn
>
> It is God's desire and His will for you to be saved.
>
> "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that
> the world
> through Him might be saved."
>
>                    ~ Jn 3:17
>
what is she , a hockey puck ,
jesus makes the save but gretsky scores on the rebound

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:MDQWN.742857$Gp2.685541
@fx04.ams4:

> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v03e3t$cjvt$4@dont-email.me...
>
>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>> name an example of what God wills.
>>
>> Dawn
>
> It is God's desire and His will for you to
> be saved.

Is everything that happens "God's will"?

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> Wrote in message:r
> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v03e3t$cjvt$4@dont-email.me...> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree, > name an example of what God wills.> > DawnIt is God's desire and His will for you to be saved."For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved." ~ Jn 3:17

I agree with that.
--
Have you heard the good news that Christ died for our sin and God
raised Him from the dead?

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB160CF484D9D8noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.16...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>
>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>>> name an example of what God wills.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
>> be saved.
>
> Is everything that happens "God's will"?

No. It is not God's will that you go into
the fire. But He respects your choice.

"I have no pleasure in the death of anyone,
declares the Lord God; therefore repent
and live." ~ Ezekiel 18:32

"But all cowards, unbelieving [infidels and
atheists], abominable persons, murderers
sexually immoral, and those who practice
magic spells, idol worshipers, and all liars
shall have their part in the lake that burns
with fire and brimstone: This is the second
death." ~ Revelation 21:8

This is in contrast to those who are saved
who will exist in the next realm where the
former things will have been passed away.

"And God will wipe away every tear from
their eyes; there shall be no more death, nor
sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more
pain, for the former things have passed
away." ~ Revelation 21:4

"ChristRose" wrote in message news:HuScnYpTIuhkaLH7nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@giganews.com...
"Andrew" wrote:
> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>
>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>> name an example of what God wills.
>>
>> Dawn
>
> It is God's desire and His will for you to
> be saved.
>
> "For God sent not his Son into the world
> to condemn the world; but that the world
> through Him might be saved."
>
> ~ Jn 3:17
>
> I agree with that.
> --
> Have you heard the good news that Christ died
> for our sin and God raised Him from the dead?

Yes, and He will return in power and glory to
take us to the good place He has prepared for
us.

"I go to prepare a place for you? And if I go
and prepare a place for you, I will come again
and will take you to myself, that where I am,
you may be also." ~ John 14

"When the Son of Man comes, everyone will
see him. It will be like lightning flashing in
the sky that can be seen everywhere."
~ Matthew 24:27

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:piaXN.677368$yZ2.586299@fx13.ams4:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB160CF484D9D8noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.16...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>
>>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>>>> name an example of what God wills.
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>
>>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
>>> be saved.
>>
>> Is everything that happens "God's will"?
>
> No. It is not God's will that you go into
> the fire. But He respects your choice.

So things happen that are
contrary to God's will.

Doesn't that seem like a
rather....limited...deity?

In article <XnsB1618587CB6F5noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.14>,
dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>
> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
> news:piaXN.677368$yZ2.586299@fx13.ams4:
>
> > "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> > news:XnsB160CF484D9D8noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.16...
> >> "Andrew" wrote:
> >>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
> >>>> name an example of what God wills.
> >>>>
> >>>> Dawn
> >>>
> >>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
> >>> be saved.
> >>
> >> Is everything that happens "God's will"?
> >
> > No. It is not God's will that you go into
> > the fire. But He respects your choice.
>
>
>
> So things happen that are
> contrary to God's will.
>
> Doesn't that seem like a
> rather....limited...deity?

Things happen because He gave us the world to run and the consequences
that go with it.

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:662d430b$0$7182
$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <XnsB1618587CB6F5noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.14>,
> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>
>> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
>> news:piaXN.677368$yZ2.586299@fx13.ams4:
>>
>> > "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> > news:XnsB160CF484D9D8noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.16...
>> >> "Andrew" wrote:
>> >>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>> >>>> name an example of what God wills.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dawn
>> >>>
>> >>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
>> >>> be saved.
>> >>
>> >> Is everything that happens "God's will"?
>> >
>> > No. It is not God's will that you go into
>> > the fire. But He respects your choice.
>>
>>
>>
>> So things happen that are
>> contrary to God's will.
>>
>> Doesn't that seem like a
>> rather....limited...deity?
>
> Things happen because He gave us the world to run and the consequences
> that go with it.

So there is no "God's Plan".

In article <XnsB1618CC93A0B1noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.23>,
dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:662d430b$0$7182
> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
> > In article <XnsB1618587CB6F5noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.14>,
> > dalmationstation@aol.com says...
> >>
> >> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
> >> news:piaXN.677368$yZ2.586299@fx13.ams4:
> >>
> >> > "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> >> > news:XnsB160CF484D9D8noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.16...
> >> >> "Andrew" wrote:
> >> >>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
> >> >>>> name an example of what God wills.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Dawn
> >> >>>
> >> >>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
> >> >>> be saved.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is everything that happens "God's will"?
> >> >
> >> > No. It is not God's will that you go into
> >> > the fire. But He respects your choice.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So things happen that are
> >> contrary to God's will.
> >>
> >> Doesn't that seem like a
> >> rather....limited...deity?
> >
> > Things happen because He gave us the world to run and the consequences
> > that go with it.
>
>
> So there is no "God's Plan".
>
>
>
>
>

Who said?

On 4/27/2024 1:50 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:662d430b$0$7182
> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <XnsB1618587CB6F5noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.14>,
>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>
>>> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
>>> news:piaXN.677368$yZ2.586299@fx13.ams4:
>>>
>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>> news:XnsB160CF484D9D8noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.16...
>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>>>>>>> name an example of what God wills.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
>>>>>> be saved.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is everything that happens "God's will"?
>>>>
>>>> No. It is not God's will that you go into
>>>> the fire. But He respects your choice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So things happen that are
>>> contrary to God's will.
>>>
>>> Doesn't that seem like a
>>> rather....limited...deity?
>>
>> Things happen because He gave us the world to run and the consequences
>> that go with it.
>
>
> So there is no "God's Plan".
>
>

Mitch,

You need to stop "rising from the dead".

Dawn

On 4/27/2024 2:30 PM, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <XnsB1618CC93A0B1noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.23>,
> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:662d430b$0$7182
>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsB1618587CB6F5noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.14>,
>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>
>>>> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
>>>> news:piaXN.677368$yZ2.586299@fx13.ams4:
>>>>
>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>> news:XnsB160CF484D9D8noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.16...
>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>>>>>>>> name an example of what God wills.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
>>>>>>> be saved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is everything that happens "God's will"?
>>>>>
>>>>> No. It is not God's will that you go into
>>>>> the fire. But He respects your choice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So things happen that are
>>>> contrary to God's will.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't that seem like a
>>>> rather....limited...deity?
>>>
>>> Things happen because He gave us the world to run and the consequences
>>> that go with it.
>>
>>
>> So there is no "God's Plan".
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Who said?

"Me". Can you *disprove* it??

Dawn

On 28/04/2024 5:40 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 4/27/2024 2:30 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>> In article <XnsB1618CC93A0B1noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.23>,
>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:662d430b$0$7182
>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsB1618587CB6F5noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.14>,
>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
>>>>> news:piaXN.677368$yZ2.586299@fx13.ams4:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:XnsB160CF484D9D8noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.16...
>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>>>>>>>>> name an example of what God wills.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
>>>>>>>> be saved.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Is everything that happens "God's will"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No. It is not God's will that you go into
>>>>>> the fire. But He respects your choice.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>       So things happen that are
>>>>> contrary to God's will.
>>>>>
>>>>>       Doesn't that seem like a
>>>>> rather....limited...deity?
>>>>
>>>> Things happen because He gave us the world to run and the consequences
>>>> that go with it.
>>>
>>>
>>>        So there is no "God's Plan".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Who said?
>
> "Me".  Can you *disprove* it??
>
> Dawn

First tell us how you keep the universe in check.

You've gone all "Maximus Moronimus" on us!

It is disappointing.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

On 27/04/2024 10:56 pm, ChristRose wrote:
> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> Wrote in message:r
>> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v03e3t$cjvt$4@dont-email.me...> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree, > name an example of what God wills.> > DawnIt is God's desire and His will for you to be saved."For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved." ~ Jn 3:17
>
> I agree with that.

Saved for what?

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

On 28/04/2024 4:08 am, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
> news:piaXN.677368$yZ2.586299@fx13.ams4:
>
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>> news:XnsB160CF484D9D8noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.16...
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>>>>> name an example of what God wills.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
>>>> be saved.
>>>
>>> Is everything that happens "God's will"?
>>
>> No. It is not God's will that you go into
>> the fire. But He respects your choice.
>
>
>
> So things happen that are
> contrary to God's will.
>
> Doesn't that seem like a
> rather....limited...deity?

No, it shows His greatness because you don't deserve a choice.

No one "deserved" anything.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

For God's sake, go and learn something!

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v0jka4$hoqu$2@dont-
email.me:

> On 4/27/2024 1:50 PM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:662d430b$0$7182
>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsB1618587CB6F5noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.14>,
>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>
>>>> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
>>>> news:piaXN.677368$yZ2.586299@fx13.ams4:
>>>>
>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>> news:XnsB160CF484D9D8noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.16...
>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>>>>>>>> name an example of what God wills.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
>>>>>>> be saved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is everything that happens "God's will"?
>>>>>
>>>>> No. It is not God's will that you go into
>>>>> the fire. But He respects your choice.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So things happen that are
>>>> contrary to God's will.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't that seem like a
>>>> rather....limited...deity?
>>>
>>> Things happen because He gave us the world to run and the
consequences
>>> that go with it.
>>
>>
>> So there is no "God's Plan".
>>
>>
>
> Mitch,
>
> You need to stop "rising from the dead".
>
> Dawn
>

Everyone needs a hobby..........;)

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB1618587CB6F5noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.14...
> "Andrew" wrote:
>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>>>>> name an example of what God wills.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
>>>> be saved.
>>>
>>> Is everything that happens "God's will"?
>>
>> No. It is not God's will that you go into
>> the fire. But He respects your choice.
>
> So things happen that are
> contrary to God's will.
>
> Doesn't that seem like a
> rather....limited...deity?

It is His will for you to make right choices
and avoid trouble. But you have freedom
to rebel and suffer the consequences.

You can't blame God for your own willful
foolishness.

On 4/27/2024 5:37 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> On 28/04/2024 5:40 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 4/27/2024 2:30 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <XnsB1618CC93A0B1noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.23>,
>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:662d430b$0$7182
>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsB1618587CB6F5noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.14>,
>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
>>>>>> news:piaXN.677368$yZ2.586299@fx13.ams4:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>>>> news:XnsB160CF484D9D8noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.16...
>>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>>>>>>>>>> name an example of what God wills.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
>>>>>>>>> be saved.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    Is everything that happens "God's will"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. It is not God's will that you go into
>>>>>>> the fire. But He respects your choice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       So things happen that are
>>>>>> contrary to God's will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Doesn't that seem like a
>>>>>> rather....limited...deity?
>>>>>
>>>>> Things happen because He gave us the world to run and the consequences
>>>>> that go with it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        So there is no "God's Plan".
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Who said?
>>
>> "Me".  Can you *disprove* it??
>>
>> Dawn
>
> First tell us how you keep the universe in check.
>
> You've gone all "Maximus Moronimus" on us!
>
> It is disappointing.
>

You ask a great question, Michael! Aristotle, long ago, asked similar
questions, and concluded that there must be a "Prime Mover" based upon
universal observations that when one stops pushing something (say, a
cart) that something stops moving.

In the early 1600s, Galileo Galilei forever disproved Aristotelian
mechanics, discovering a specific form of the law of inertia, which the
philosopher René Descartes generalized and which Isaac Newton
mathematically described in his Principia. It was Newton's friend,
Edmond Halley, who recognized that the comet that now bears his name
would return again in 1758. While Halley did not live to see the comet
(he died over a decade earlier), countless others did.

And, so began the Enlightenment...

Dawn

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:DhrXN.1600355$Rq2.717608@fx15.ams4:

> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
> news:XnsB1618587CB6F5noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.14...
>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>>>>>> name an example of what God wills.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
>>>>> be saved.
>>>>
>>>> Is everything that happens "God's will"?
>>>
>>> No. It is not God's will that you go into
>>> the fire. But He respects your choice.
>>
>> So things happen that are
>> contrary to God's will.
>>
>> Doesn't that seem like a
>> rather....limited...deity?
>
> It is His will for you to make right choices
> and avoid trouble. But you have freedom
> to rebel and suffer the consequences.
>

Evasion noted.

Either everything that happens
is God's will or things happen that
are contrary to God's will.

Which is it?

On 28/04/2024 10:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 4/27/2024 5:37 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 28/04/2024 5:40 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> On 4/27/2024 2:30 PM, Skeeter wrote:
>>>> In article <XnsB1618CC93A0B1noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.23>,
>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:662d430b$0$7182
>>>>> $882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB1618587CB6F5noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.14>,
>>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:piaXN.677368$yZ2.586299@fx13.ams4:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
>>>>>>>> news:XnsB160CF484D9D8noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.16...
>>>>>>>>> "Andrew" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
>>>>>>>>>>> name an example of what God wills.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It is God's desire and His will for you to
>>>>>>>>>> be saved.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>    Is everything that happens "God's will"?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No. It is not God's will that you go into
>>>>>>>> the fire. But He respects your choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       So things happen that are
>>>>>>> contrary to God's will.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Doesn't that seem like a
>>>>>>> rather....limited...deity?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Things happen because He gave us the world to run and the
>>>>>> consequences
>>>>>> that go with it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        So there is no "God's Plan".
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Who said?
>>>
>>> "Me".  Can you *disprove* it??
>>>
>>> Dawn

Michael Christ wrote:
>> First tell us how you keep the universe in check.
>>
>> You've gone all "Maximus Moronimus" on us!
>>
>> It is disappointing.

Dawn weaved:
> You ask a great question, Michael!

I didn't ask a question, it was rhetorical statement.

> Aristotle, long ago, asked similar
> questions, and concluded that there must be a "Prime Mover" based upon
> universal observations that when one stops pushing something (say, a
> cart) that something stops moving.
>
> In the early 1600s, Galileo Galilei forever disproved Aristotelian
> mechanics, discovering a specific form of the law of inertia, which the
> philosopher René Descartes generalized and which Isaac Newton
> mathematically described in his Principia.  It was Newton's friend,
> Edmond Halley, who recognized that the comet that now bears his name
> would return again in 1758.  While Halley did not live to see the comet
> (he died over a decade earlier), countless others did.

There is nothing eternal in the physical universe, Cupcake Self-Inertia.
I am still waiting for that perpetual motion machine; there must be
dozens of them. :-). It seems like a perpetual wait, though.

> And, so began the Enlightenment...
>
> Dawn

The only time man becomes "enlightened" is when he finds God, Sweetie.

And you dodged the truth...yet again.

You can't run forever.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"