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* The JW bible, John 1:1Michael Christ
`* Re: The JW bible, John 1:1James
 +* Re: The JW bible, John 1:1Robert
 |+* Re: The JW bible, John 1:1pyotr filipivich
 ||`* Re: The JW bible, John 1:1Robert
 || `* Re: The JW bible, John 1:1pyotr filipivich
 ||  `- Re: The JW bible, John 1:1Robert
 |`* Re: The JW bible, John 1:1James
 | +* Re: The JW bible, John 1:1Mitchell Holman
 | |`- Re: The JW bible, John 1:1Ted
 | `- Re: The JW bible, John 1:1Robert
 +* Re: The JW bible, John 1:1Michael Christ
 |`* Re: The JW bible, John 1:1James
 | `* Re: The JW bible, John 1:1Michael Christ
 |  `* Re: The JW bible, John 1:1James
 |   `- Re: The JW bible, John 1:1Michael Christ
 `* Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1servant
  `* Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1Michael Christ
   `* Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1James
    `* Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1Michael Christ
     `* Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1James
      `* Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1Michael Christ
       `* Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1James
        +* Re: All sinners are liars, period.Michael Christ
        |+* Re: All sinners are liars, period.James
        ||`- Re: All sinners are liars, period.Michael Christ
        |`* Re: All sinners are liars, period.James
        | `- Re: All sinners are liars, period.Michael Christ
        `* Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1servant
         `* Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1James
          `* Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1servant
           `* Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1James
            `* Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1servant
             `* Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1James
              +* Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1servant
              |`- Re: Nwt refutes: The JW bible, John 1:1James
              `* The parable of the beggar and rich manservant
               +* A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsservant
               |`* Re: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               | `* Re: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsservant
               |  +* Re: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |`* Re: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsservant
               |  | `* 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsservant
               |  |  +* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  |`* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsservant
               |  |  | +* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  | |`* Re: 3rd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  | | +* 4th request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsservant
               |  |  | | |`- Re: 4th request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  | | `* 5th request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsservant
               |  |  | |  +- Re: 5th request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  | |  `* Re: 5th request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsteslaStinker
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               |  |  | +* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  | |`* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsMichael Christ
               |  |  | | +* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
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               |  |  | | |`- Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsMitchell Holman
               |  |  | | +* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  | | |`* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsMichael Christ
               |  |  | | | +* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  | | | |`- Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsMichael Christ
               |  |  | | | `* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  | | |  `- Re: Sin is whoredom, they isn't any other option.Michael Christ
               |  |  | | +- Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  | | `* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  | |  `* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsMichael Christ
               |  |  | |   `* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  | |    `* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsMichael Christ
               |  |  | |     +* Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  | |     |`- Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsMichael Christ
               |  |  | |     `- Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               |  |  | `- Re: 2nd request: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
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               |  `- Re: A jw vatican ritual using many pagan ideas/behaviorsJames
               +* Re: The parable of the beggar and rich manJames
               |`- Re: The parable of the beggar and rich manRobert
               `* Re: The parable of the beggar and rich manJames
                `* Re: The parable of the beggar and rich manRobert
                 `* Re: The parable of the beggar and rich manJames
                  `* Re: The parable of the beggar and rich manRobert
                   +* Re: The parable of the beggar and rich manJames
                   |`- Re: The parable of the beggar and rich manRobert
                   `- Re: The parable of the beggar and rich manJames

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 by: James - Sun, 28 Apr 2024 11:57 UTC

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:13:31 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 21/04/2024 2:08 am, ChristRose wrote:
>> ========================
>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:37:48 -0400,
>> Article:<gqm72j1k93dbo8limfqe6g9n8sbmu1hvml@4ax.com>,
>> James wrote:
>> ========================
>>
>>> You must not be claiming to be a Christian, because of your lying.
>>
>>
>> JW's lie when they deny the deity of
>> Christ. Everything they say about the
>> deity of Christ is a lie. They publish a
>> lying translation of the Bible (NWT),
>> such as where they change John 1:1 from
>> "the word was God" to "the word was a
>> god".
>
>So what, do you think you are sinless perfection bibleism? Huh? You dick!
>
>Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin.
>
>That is what God does, He hands over these self-righteous sinless
>theology thick heads to their own ends.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Have you heard the good news Christ died
>> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
>> from the dead?
>>
>> That Christ died for our sins shows
>> we're sinners who deserve the death
>> penalty. That God raised Him from the
>> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
>> God's righteous demands against our sin
>> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
>> God can now remain just, while forgiving
>> you of your sins, and saving you from
>> eternal damnation.

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On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:13:31 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 21/04/2024 2:08 am, ChristRose wrote:
>> ========================
>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:37:48 -0400,
>> Article:<gqm72j1k93dbo8limfqe6g9n8sbmu1hvml@4ax.com>,
>> James wrote:
>> ========================
>>
>>> You must not be claiming to be a Christian, because of your lying.
>>
>>
>> JW's lie when they deny the deity of
>> Christ. Everything they say about the
>> deity of Christ is a lie. They publish a
>> lying translation of the Bible (NWT),
>> such as where they change John 1:1 from
>> "the word was God" to "the word was a
>> god".
>
>So what, do you think you are sinless perfection bibleism? Huh? You dick!
>
>Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin.
>
>That is what God does, He hands over these self-righteous sinless
>theology thick heads to their own ends.

Michael,

You have said a lot of words, but have not given any evidence to
support them. Thus it stands as only weak opinion.

Don't be afraid to support what you believe in.

Sincerely, James
Being really happy.
Are you missing that?
go to jw.org
4/28/2024

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Have you heard the good news Christ died
>> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
>> from the dead?
>>
>> That Christ died for our sins shows
>> we're sinners who deserve the death
>> penalty. That God raised Him from the
>> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
>> God's righteous demands against our sin
>> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
>> God can now remain just, while forgiving
>> you of your sins, and saving you from
>> eternal damnation.

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 by: Michael Christ - Sun, 28 Apr 2024 20:56 UTC

On 28/04/2024 10:22 pm, James wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:13:31 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 21/04/2024 2:08 am, ChristRose wrote:
>>> ========================
>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:37:48 -0400,
>>> Article:<gqm72j1k93dbo8limfqe6g9n8sbmu1hvml@4ax.com>,
>>> James wrote:
>>> ========================
>>>
>>>> You must not be claiming to be a Christian, because of your lying.
>>>
>>>
>>> JW's lie when they deny the deity of
>>> Christ. Everything they say about the
>>> deity of Christ is a lie. They publish a
>>> lying translation of the Bible (NWT),
>>> such as where they change John 1:1 from
>>> "the word was God" to "the word was a
>>> god".
>>
>> So what, do you think you are sinless perfection bibleism? Huh? You dick!
>>
>> Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin.
>>
>> That is what God does, He hands over these self-righteous sinless
>> theology thick heads to their own ends.
>
> Michael,
>
> You have said a lot of words, but have not given any evidence to
> support them. Thus it stands as only weak opinion.
>
> Don't be afraid to support what you believe in.

You presume in your sinful state, my heroic friendly neighbourhood sinner.

I don't take advice from sinners, James, neither do I need to prostrate
myself before them to find justification for what I say.

You need to go find yourself a proselyte who will.

"Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin."
That applies to you also.

Michael Christ

>
> Sincerely, James
> Being really happy.
> Are you missing that?
> go to jw.org
> 4/28/2024
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Have you heard the good news Christ died
>>> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
>>> from the dead?
>>>
>>> That Christ died for our sins shows
>>> we're sinners who deserve the death
>>> penalty. That God raised Him from the
>>> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
>>> God's righteous demands against our sin
>>> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
>>> God can now remain just, while forgiving
>>> you of your sins, and saving you from
>>> eternal damnation.
>

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God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."


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 by: James - Mon, 29 Apr 2024 12:41 UTC

On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 06:56:43 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 28/04/2024 10:22 pm, James wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:13:31 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 21/04/2024 2:08 am, ChristRose wrote:
>>>> ========================
>>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:37:48 -0400,
>>>> Article:<gqm72j1k93dbo8limfqe6g9n8sbmu1hvml@4ax.com>,
>>>> James wrote:
>>>> ========================
>>>>
>>>>> You must not be claiming to be a Christian, because of your lying.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> JW's lie when they deny the deity of
>>>> Christ. Everything they say about the
>>>> deity of Christ is a lie. They publish a
>>>> lying translation of the Bible (NWT),
>>>> such as where they change John 1:1 from
>>>> "the word was God" to "the word was a
>>>> god".
>>>
>>> So what, do you think you are sinless perfection bibleism? Huh? You dick!
>>>
>>> Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin.
>>>
>>> That is what God does, He hands over these self-righteous sinless
>>> theology thick heads to their own ends.
>>
>> Michael,
>>
>> You have said a lot of words, but have not given any evidence to
>> support them. Thus it stands as only weak opinion.
>>
>> Don't be afraid to support what you believe in.
>
>You presume in your sinful state, my heroic friendly neighbourhood sinner.
>
>I don't take advice from sinners, James, neither do I need to prostrate
>myself before them to find justification for what I say.

You will have no argument here with me. But in keeping with your
words, you would have to ignore the sinner, the apostle Paul. That's a
lot of the Bible you would have to ignore. Notice again Paul's
comment:

Ro 7:19,

"For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not
want to do--this I keep on doing." (NIV)

Yes, Paul was a sinner, as we all are. Jesus didn't give his life for
non sinners.

>You need to go find yourself a proselyte who will.
>
>"Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin."
>That applies to you also.

Well sinner (everyone sins), the Bible applies to everyone.

Sincerely, James
Being really happy.
Are you missing that?
go to jw.org
4/29/2024

>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Sincerely, James
>> Being really happy.
>> Are you missing that?
>> go to jw.org
>> 4/28/2024
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Have you heard the good news Christ died
>>>> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
>>>> from the dead?

Correct. Thus Jesus and God are not the same person, because God
always was, but Jesus died and was 'buried'.

-- New King James
Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had
formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting,
You are God.

Sincerely, James
Being really happy.
Are you missing that?
go to jw.org
4/29/2024

>>>>
>>>> That Christ died for our sins shows
>>>> we're sinners who deserve the death
>>>> penalty. That God raised Him from the
>>>> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
>>>> God's righteous demands against our sin
>>>> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
>>>> God can now remain just, while forgiving
>>>> you of your sins, and saving you from
>>>> eternal damnation.
>>

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On 29/04/2024 10:41 pm, James wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 06:56:43 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 28/04/2024 10:22 pm, James wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:13:31 +1000, Michael Christ
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 21/04/2024 2:08 am, ChristRose wrote:
>>>>> ========================
>>>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:37:48 -0400,
>>>>> Article:<gqm72j1k93dbo8limfqe6g9n8sbmu1hvml@4ax.com>,
>>>>> James wrote:
>>>>> ========================
>>>>>
>>>>>> You must not be claiming to be a Christian, because of your lying.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> JW's lie when they deny the deity of
>>>>> Christ. Everything they say about the
>>>>> deity of Christ is a lie. They publish a
>>>>> lying translation of the Bible (NWT),
>>>>> such as where they change John 1:1 from
>>>>> "the word was God" to "the word was a
>>>>> god".
>>>>
>>>> So what, do you think you are sinless perfection bibleism? Huh? You dick!
>>>>
>>>> Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin.
>>>>
>>>> That is what God does, He hands over these self-righteous sinless
>>>> theology thick heads to their own ends.
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> You have said a lot of words, but have not given any evidence to
>>> support them. Thus it stands as only weak opinion.
>>>
>>> Don't be afraid to support what you believe in.
>>
>> You presume in your sinful state, my heroic friendly neighbourhood sinner.
>>
>> I don't take advice from sinners, James, neither do I need to prostrate
>> myself before them to find justification for what I say.
>
> You will have no argument here with me. But in keeping with your
> words, you would have to ignore the sinner, the apostle Paul. That's a
> lot of the Bible you would have to ignore. Notice again Paul's
> comment:
>
> Ro 7:19,
>
> "For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not
> want to do--this I keep on doing." (NIV)
>
> Yes, Paul was a sinner, as we all are. Jesus didn't give his life for
> non sinners.
>
>> You need to go find yourself a proselyte who will.
>>
>> "Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin."
>> That applies to you also.
>
> Well sinner (everyone sins), the Bible applies to everyone.

Go away, and take your sinner perfection theology and "a God"
interpretations of the bible with you.

They stink of humanism righteousness.

Michael Christ

>
> Sincerely, James
> Being really happy.
> Are you missing that?
> go to jw.org
> 4/29/2024
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely, James
>>> Being really happy.
>>> Are you missing that?
>>> go to jw.org
>>> 4/28/2024
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Have you heard the good news Christ died
>>>>> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
>>>>> from the dead?
>
> Correct. Thus Jesus and God are not the same person, because God
> always was, but Jesus died and was 'buried'.
>
> -- New King James
> Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had
> formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting,
> You are God.
>
> Sincerely, James
> Being really happy.
> Are you missing that?
> go to jw.org
> 4/29/2024

>
>>>>>
>>>>> That Christ died for our sins shows
>>>>> we're sinners who deserve the death
>>>>> penalty. That God raised Him from the
>>>>> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
>>>>> God's righteous demands against our sin
>>>>> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
>>>>> God can now remain just, while forgiving
>>>>> you of your sins, and saving you from
>>>>> eternal damnation.
>>>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."


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On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:52:05 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 29/04/2024 10:41 pm, James wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 06:56:43 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/04/2024 10:22 pm, James wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:13:31 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 21/04/2024 2:08 am, ChristRose wrote:
>>>>>> ========================
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:37:48 -0400,
>>>>>> Article:<gqm72j1k93dbo8limfqe6g9n8sbmu1hvml@4ax.com>,
>>>>>> James wrote:
>>>>>> ========================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You must not be claiming to be a Christian, because of your lying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JW's lie when they deny the deity of
>>>>>> Christ. Everything they say about the
>>>>>> deity of Christ is a lie. They publish a
>>>>>> lying translation of the Bible (NWT),
>>>>>> such as where they change John 1:1 from
>>>>>> "the word was God" to "the word was a
>>>>>> god".
>>>>>
>>>>> So what, do you think you are sinless perfection bibleism? Huh? You dick!
>>>>>
>>>>> Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is what God does, He hands over these self-righteous sinless
>>>>> theology thick heads to their own ends.
>>>>
>>>> Michael,
>>>>
>>>> You have said a lot of words, but have not given any evidence to
>>>> support them. Thus it stands as only weak opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Don't be afraid to support what you believe in.
>>>
>>> You presume in your sinful state, my heroic friendly neighbourhood sinner.
>>>
>>> I don't take advice from sinners, James, neither do I need to prostrate
>>> myself before them to find justification for what I say.
>>
>> You will have no argument here with me. But in keeping with your
>> words, you would have to ignore the sinner, the apostle Paul. That's a
>> lot of the Bible you would have to ignore. Notice again Paul's
>> comment:
>>
>> Ro 7:19,
>>
>> "For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not
>> want to do--this I keep on doing." (NIV)
>>
>> Yes, Paul was a sinner, as we all are. Jesus didn't give his life for
>> non sinners.
>>
>>> You need to go find yourself a proselyte who will.
>>>
>>> "Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin."
>>> That applies to you also.
>>
>> Well sinner (everyone sins), the Bible applies to everyone.
>
>Go away, and take your sinner perfection theology and "a God"
>interpretations of the bible with you.
>
>They stink of humanism righteousness.

Don't be afraid of most churches' doctrines. Guess who is really
behind them?

-- New King James
1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some
will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and
doctrines of demons,

Saying Jesus is God even violates what Jesus said about God:

-- New King James
Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is
written, `You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall
serve.' ''

Sincerely, James
Does the Bible
practice misogyny?
go to jw.org
4/30/2024

>
>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ
>
>
>
>>
>> Sincerely, James
>> Being really happy.
>> Are you missing that?
>> go to jw.org
>> 4/29/2024
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely, James
>>>> Being really happy.
>>>> Are you missing that?
>>>> go to jw.org
>>>> 4/28/2024
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Have you heard the good news Christ died
>>>>>> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
>>>>>> from the dead?
>>
>> Correct. Thus Jesus and God are not the same person, because God
>> always was, but Jesus died and was 'buried'.
>>
>> -- New King James
>> Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had
>> formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting,
>> You are God.
>>
>> Sincerely, James
>> Being really happy.
>> Are you missing that?
>> go to jw.org
>> 4/29/2024
>
>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That Christ died for our sins shows
>>>>>> we're sinners who deserve the death
>>>>>> penalty. That God raised Him from the
>>>>>> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
>>>>>> God's righteous demands against our sin
>>>>>> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
>>>>>> God can now remain just, while forgiving
>>>>>> you of your sins, and saving you from
>>>>>> eternal damnation.
>>>>
>>

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 by: Michael Christ - Tue, 30 Apr 2024 21:24 UTC

On 30/04/2024 10:31 pm, James wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:52:05 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 29/04/2024 10:41 pm, James wrote:
>>> On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 06:56:43 +1000, Michael Christ
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 28/04/2024 10:22 pm, James wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:13:31 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 2:08 am, ChristRose wrote:
>>>>>>> ========================
>>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:37:48 -0400,
>>>>>>> Article:<gqm72j1k93dbo8limfqe6g9n8sbmu1hvml@4ax.com>,
>>>>>>> James wrote:
>>>>>>> ========================
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You must not be claiming to be a Christian, because of your lying.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> JW's lie when they deny the deity of
>>>>>>> Christ. Everything they say about the
>>>>>>> deity of Christ is a lie. They publish a
>>>>>>> lying translation of the Bible (NWT),
>>>>>>> such as where they change John 1:1 from
>>>>>>> "the word was God" to "the word was a
>>>>>>> god".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So what, do you think you are sinless perfection bibleism? Huh? You dick!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is what God does, He hands over these self-righteous sinless
>>>>>> theology thick heads to their own ends.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>
>>>>> You have said a lot of words, but have not given any evidence to
>>>>> support them. Thus it stands as only weak opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't be afraid to support what you believe in.
>>>>
>>>> You presume in your sinful state, my heroic friendly neighbourhood sinner.
>>>>
>>>> I don't take advice from sinners, James, neither do I need to prostrate
>>>> myself before them to find justification for what I say.
>>>
>>> You will have no argument here with me. But in keeping with your
>>> words, you would have to ignore the sinner, the apostle Paul. That's a
>>> lot of the Bible you would have to ignore. Notice again Paul's
>>> comment:
>>>
>>> Ro 7:19,
>>>
>>> "For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not
>>> want to do--this I keep on doing." (NIV)
>>>
>>> Yes, Paul was a sinner, as we all are. Jesus didn't give his life for
>>> non sinners.
>>>
>>>> You need to go find yourself a proselyte who will.
>>>>
>>>> "Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin."
>>>> That applies to you also.
>>>
>>> Well sinner (everyone sins), the Bible applies to everyone.
>>
>> Go away, and take your sinner perfection theology and "a God"
>> interpretations of the bible with you.
>>
>> They stink of humanism righteousness.
>
> Don't be afraid of most churches' doctrines. Guess who is really
> behind them?
>
> -- New King James
> 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some
> will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and
> doctrines of demons,
>
> Saying Jesus is God even violates what Jesus said about God:
>
> -- New King James
> Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! For it is
> written, `You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall
> serve.' ''
>
> Sincerely, James
> Does the Bible
> practice misogyny?
> go to jw.org
> 4/30/2024

He emptied Himself of His glory but not of His Perfect Holy
Spirit/Personhood.

Jesus is God. Period. And no constantly whoring sinner is going to
convince me otherwise.

Go waste your time some place else.

Michael Christ

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Sincerely, James
>>> Being really happy.
>>> Are you missing that?
>>> go to jw.org
>>> 4/29/2024
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Sincerely, James
>>>>> Being really happy.
>>>>> Are you missing that?
>>>>> go to jw.org
>>>>> 4/28/2024
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Have you heard the good news Christ died
>>>>>>> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
>>>>>>> from the dead?
>>>
>>> Correct. Thus Jesus and God are not the same person, because God
>>> always was, but Jesus died and was 'buried'.
>>>
>>> -- New King James
>>> Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had
>>> formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting,
>>> You are God.
>>>
>>> Sincerely, James
>>> Being really happy.
>>> Are you missing that?
>>> go to jw.org
>>> 4/29/2024
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That Christ died for our sins shows
>>>>>>> we're sinners who deserve the death
>>>>>>> penalty. That God raised Him from the
>>>>>>> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
>>>>>>> God's righteous demands against our sin
>>>>>>> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
>>>>>>> God can now remain just, while forgiving
>>>>>>> you of your sins, and saving you from
>>>>>>> eternal damnation.
>>>>>
>>>
>

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Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."


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 by: James - Thu, 2 May 2024 11:41 UTC

On 11 Mar 2024 21:11:29 GMT, servant wrote:

>
>
>Let's help friend james on the question of the subject:
>
>These are the direct from pagan practices the jw wedding ritual uses.
>
>1. bride maids fdressed alike.

To servant's readers:

>
>2 The brides dress color and use of a vail.

Not in my wedding
>
>3. Use of and exchange of rings; and the finger upon which it is worn.

In mine, no EXCHANGE of rings.
Also, I already answered you on the ring thing.

>
>4. the brides bouquet of flowers.

Not in mine.

>5 having and cutting a cake and passing it around.

Yes there was a small get together after the wedding. All kinds of
foods were there.

>I will gladly provide jw insider evidence for the above on request.
>However friend james will not consult the info on the web; he is forbidden
>at the cost of his eterrnal life; under the sole control of 9 jw vatican
>leaders.

And the lies just keep coming, like waterfalls trying to wash away the
environment.
Sadly for you, Jehovah hates liars. (Pr 6:16-19)
Let's pray servant has a spiritual change of mind soon, before its too
late. Notice:

-- International Standard Version
1 Peter 4:18 "If it is hard for the righteous person to be saved,
what will happen to the ungodly and sinful person?"

Sincerely, James
Does the Bible
practice misogyny?
go to jw.org
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 by: James - Thu, 2 May 2024 12:07 UTC

On 09 Mar 2024 18:53:17 GMT, servant wrote:

>>>>>Friend james; what do you know of this ritual; one you have performed?
>>>
>>>Friend james reflects how the jw vatican has a stranglehold on what info
>>>members are allowed to discover/know/express for themselves. The jw
>>>vatican says it will tell members what exact info to know and exactly how
>>>they are to understand it. Any thing else is forbidden least one lose
>>>eternal life wich is only at the control of the jw vattican.>
>>>
>>>
>>>>What ritual? Please be more specific.
>>>>
>>>The jw vatican wedding ritual is full of historically directly pagan
>>>content.
>>
>Friend james tries a change of subject tactic:>
>>Notice, rather than refute the Scriptural discussion presented, servant
>>talked about downgrading the JW Organization. I call that a "cop out".
>>
>Smile, who is trying to "cop out" from the topic at hand,ie. the direct
>pagan content of the jw wedding ritual.
>Go for it; what are those direct pagan ritual elements? Tell us about
>throwing rice/confetti at the couple.

Sure. We never did, and I don't know any JW's who did.
I don't think reasoning people are going to fall for your false
comments about JW's. They can see that you are attacking a religious
organization, but providing little or no Bible
proof.

The Bible says to PROVE what you claim:

-- King James
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Why do you fail to do that? It is a Bible command. You are asking
people just to believe you, without little or no evidence.
Oh well, 'to each his own.'

If you say it enough times, you can get to believe your own lies. Tell
Satan to "Go away", so that you can think more clearly. We would
welcome you into the family of believers.
Just please think about it.

Sincerely, James
Does the Bible
practice misogyny?
go to jw.org
5/2 /2024

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On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:52:05 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 29/04/2024 10:41 pm, James wrote:
>> On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 06:56:43 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/04/2024 10:22 pm, James wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 10:13:31 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 21/04/2024 2:08 am, ChristRose wrote:
>>>>>> ========================
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:37:48 -0400,
>>>>>> Article:<gqm72j1k93dbo8limfqe6g9n8sbmu1hvml@4ax.com>,
>>>>>> James wrote:
>>>>>> ========================
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You must not be claiming to be a Christian, because of your lying.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> JW's lie when they deny the deity of
>>>>>> Christ. Everything they say about the
>>>>>> deity of Christ is a lie. They publish a
>>>>>> lying translation of the Bible (NWT),
>>>>>> such as where they change John 1:1 from
>>>>>> "the word was God" to "the word was a
>>>>>> god".
>>>>>
>>>>> So what, do you think you are sinless perfection bibleism? Huh? You dick!
>>>>>
>>>>> Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is what God does, He hands over these self-righteous sinless
>>>>> theology thick heads to their own ends.
>>>>
>>>> Michael,
>>>>
>>>> You have said a lot of words, but have not given any evidence to
>>>> support them. Thus it stands as only weak opinion.
>>>>
>>>> Don't be afraid to support what you believe in.
>>>
>>> You presume in your sinful state, my heroic friendly neighbourhood sinner.
>>>
>>> I don't take advice from sinners, James, neither do I need to prostrate
>>> myself before them to find justification for what I say.
To Michael's readers,

>> You will have no argument here with me. But in keeping with your
>> words, you would have to ignore the sinner, the apostle Paul. That's a
>> lot of the Bible you would have to ignore. Notice again Paul's
>> comment:
>>
>> Ro 7:19,
>>
>> "For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not
>> want to do--this I keep on doing." (NIV)
>>
>> Yes, Paul was a sinner, as we all are. Jesus didn't give his life for
>> non sinners.
>>
>>> You need to go find yourself a proselyte who will.

How about over 2 million 'proselytes'.

>>>
>>> "Just look at this sinner! Everyone is wrong except for him in his sin."
>>> That applies to you also.

I don't believe safety in numbers. Look at the flood of Noah's day.
Everyone on earth was wrong except for 8 humans. Today is very
similar.

Only a FEW of mankind will be saved. (Mt 7:13,14)

>>
>> Well sinner (everyone sins), the Bible applies to everyone.
>
>Go away, and take your sinner perfection theology and "a God"
>interpretations of the bible with you.

If I take away real Bible truths, how will you learn them? Can Jesus
be "a god"? If the Devil is called a "god" at 2 Cor 4:4, how much more
so would Jesus be one.

>
>They stink of humanism righteousness.

Whatever that is??

>
>Sincerely, James
The good and the bad.
How can we tell?
go to jw.org
5/5/2024
>
>
>
>Michael Christ
>
>
>
>>
>> Sincerely, James
>> Being really happy.
>> Are you missing that?
>> go to jw.org
>> 4/29/2024
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sincerely, James
>>>> Being really happy.
>>>> Are you missing that?
>>>> go to jw.org
>>>> 4/28/2024
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Have you heard the good news Christ died
>>>>>> for our sins (†), and God raised Him
>>>>>> from the dead?
>>
>> Correct. Thus Jesus and God are not the same person, because God
>> always was, but Jesus died and was 'buried'.
>>
>> -- New King James
>> Psalms 90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, Or ever You had
>> formed the earth and the world, Even from everlasting to everlasting,
>> You are God.
>>
>> Sincerely, James
>> Being really happy.
>> Are you missing that?
>> go to jw.org
>> 4/29/2024
>
>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That Christ died for our sins shows
>>>>>> we're sinners who deserve the death
>>>>>> penalty. That God raised Him from the
>>>>>> dead shows Christ's death satisfied
>>>>>> God's righteous demands against our sin
>>>>>> (Romans 3:25; 1 John 2:1-2). This means
>>>>>> God can now remain just, while forgiving
>>>>>> you of your sins, and saving you from
>>>>>> eternal damnation.
>>>>
>>

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