Rocksolid Light

Welcome to novaBBS (click a section below)

mail  files  register  newsreader  groups  login

Message-ID:  

Hindsight is always 20:20. -- Billy Wilder


interests / rec.games.backgammon / Legal fees?

SubjectAuthor
* Legal fees?peps...@gmail.com
`* Re: Legal fees?Timothy Chow
 `- Re: Legal fees?peps...@gmail.com

1
Legal fees?

<e0d52be7-8b8b-4439-80e0-7ccfd6fdce2cn@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.com/interests/article-flat.php?id=13452&group=rec.games.backgammon#13452

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.games.backgammon
X-Received: by 2002:ac8:5a54:0:b0:429:c9fd:2a6f with SMTP id o20-20020ac85a54000000b00429c9fd2a6fmr142081qta.5.1705517038245;
Wed, 17 Jan 2024 10:43:58 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2a4e:b0:681:557e:1ff with SMTP id
jf14-20020a0562142a4e00b00681557e01ffmr782092qvb.4.1705517037932; Wed, 17 Jan
2024 10:43:57 -0800 (PST)
Path: i2pn2.org!i2pn.org!usenet.blueworldhosting.com!diablo1.usenet.blueworldhosting.com!peer03.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.games.backgammon
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 10:43:57 -0800 (PST)
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=217.155.59.144; posting-account=X1j9wgoAAADLt4UnZrIneT3jwl9HvLMd
NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.155.59.144
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <e0d52be7-8b8b-4439-80e0-7ccfd6fdce2cn@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Legal fees?
From: pepste...@gmail.com (peps...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2024 18:43:58 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
X-Received-Bytes: 1989
 by: peps...@gmail.com - Wed, 17 Jan 2024 18:43 UTC

XG doubled me in the below position.
Obviously this is an easy take, and I didn't actually believe the double.
So I took Xavier to court, and showed the rollout to the presiding judge.

Who won the court case?

Paul

XGID=-B--a-E-Ca--cBAa-bbe---AA-:0:0:-1:00:3:0:0:11:10
X:XG Roller+ O:Daniel

Score is X:0 O:3 11 pt.(s) match.
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X X O | | O X O |
| X O | | O O |
| X O | | O |
| | | O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | | X |
| | | X |
| | | X |
| O X X | | X |
| O O X X X | | X O O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 146 O: 143 X-O: 0-3/11
Cube: 1
X on roll, cube action

Re: Legal fees?

<uob91l$2jpsc$2@dont-email.me>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.com/interests/article-flat.php?id=13456&group=rec.games.backgammon#13456

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.games.backgammon
Path: i2pn2.org!rocksolid2!news.neodome.net!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: tchow12...@yahoo.com (Timothy Chow)
Newsgroups: rec.games.backgammon
Subject: Re: Legal fees?
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 08:28:21 -0500
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider
Lines: 36
Message-ID: <uob91l$2jpsc$2@dont-email.me>
References: <e0d52be7-8b8b-4439-80e0-7ccfd6fdce2cn@googlegroups.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Injection-Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 13:28:21 -0000 (UTC)
Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f3967402ac3916a8f00256f1b3bfe224";
logging-data="2746252"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18YkX2ptGmTMK1W5361waT254cSUXOQsGc="
User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird
Cancel-Lock: sha1:HHryMGm4oKat2cJ7AgIVxczI+bQ=
In-Reply-To: <e0d52be7-8b8b-4439-80e0-7ccfd6fdce2cn@googlegroups.com>
Content-Language: en-US
 by: Timothy Chow - Thu, 18 Jan 2024 13:28 UTC

On 1/17/2024 1:43 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
> XG doubled me in the below position.
> Obviously this is an easy take, and I didn't actually believe the double.
> So I took Xavier to court, and showed the rollout to the presiding judge.
>
> Who won the court case?
>
> Paul
>
> XGID=-B--a-E-Ca--cBAa-bbe---AA-:0:0:-1:00:3:0:0:11:10
> X:XG Roller+ O:Daniel
>
> Score is X:0 O:3 11 pt.(s) match.
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | X X O | | O X O |
> | X O | | O O |
> | X O | | O |
> | | | O |
> | | | O |
> | |BAR| |
> | | | X |
> | | | X |
> | | | X |
> | O X X | | X |
> | O O X X X | | X O O |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> Pip count X: 146 O: 143 X-O: 0-3/11
> Cube: 1
> X on roll, cube action

I don't think I would double here, although I can believe that XG would
say that it's a borderline double because of the match score.

---
Tim Chow

Re: Legal fees?

<d3a68563-7af4-41ad-9953-3695f47e79f9n@googlegroups.com>

  copy mid

https://news.novabbs.com/interests/article-flat.php?id=13472&group=rec.games.backgammon#13472

  copy link   Newsgroups: rec.games.backgammon
X-Received: by 2002:a05:620a:4c81:b0:783:950a:361a with SMTP id to1-20020a05620a4c8100b00783950a361amr22306qkn.11.1705747317113;
Sat, 20 Jan 2024 02:41:57 -0800 (PST)
X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1e8c:b0:429:f82f:dea7 with SMTP id
bz12-20020a05622a1e8c00b00429f82fdea7mr215110qtb.13.1705747316918; Sat, 20
Jan 2024 02:41:56 -0800 (PST)
Path: i2pn2.org!rocksolid2!news.neodome.net!news.mixmin.net!sewer!alphared!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!proxad.net!feeder1-2.proxad.net!209.85.160.216.MISMATCH!news-out.google.com!nntp.google.com!postnews.google.com!google-groups.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail
Newsgroups: rec.games.backgammon
Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 02:41:56 -0800 (PST)
In-Reply-To: <uob91l$2jpsc$2@dont-email.me>
Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=217.155.59.144; posting-account=X1j9wgoAAADLt4UnZrIneT3jwl9HvLMd
NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.155.59.144
References: <e0d52be7-8b8b-4439-80e0-7ccfd6fdce2cn@googlegroups.com> <uob91l$2jpsc$2@dont-email.me>
User-Agent: G2/1.0
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <d3a68563-7af4-41ad-9953-3695f47e79f9n@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Legal fees?
From: pepste...@gmail.com (peps...@gmail.com)
Injection-Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 10:41:57 +0000
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 by: peps...@gmail.com - Sat, 20 Jan 2024 10:41 UTC

On Thursday, January 18, 2024 at 1:28:23 PM UTC, Timothy Chow wrote:
> On 1/17/2024 1:43 PM, peps...@gmail.com wrote:
> > XG doubled me in the below position.
> > Obviously this is an easy take, and I didn't actually believe the double.
> > So I took Xavier to court, and showed the rollout to the presiding judge.
> >
> > Who won the court case?
> >
> > Paul
> >
> > XGID=-B--a-E-Ca--cBAa-bbe---AA-:0:0:-1:00:3:0:0:11:10
> > X:XG Roller+ O:Daniel
> >
> > Score is X:0 O:3 11 pt.(s) match.
> > +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> > | X X O | | O X O |
> > | X O | | O O |
> > | X O | | O |
> > | | | O |
> > | | | O |
> > | |BAR| |
> > | | | X |
> > | | | X |
> > | | | X |
> > | O X X | | X |
> > | O O X X X | | X O O |
> > +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
> > Pip count X: 146 O: 143 X-O: 0-3/11
> > Cube: 1
> > X on roll, cube action
> I don't think I would double here, although I can believe that XG would
> say that it's a borderline double because of the match score.

It is indeed a marginal double. (See below). The main reason I expected
the hold was that I didn't realise how good XG's position was.
If I knew that XG's equity was above 0.65, I wouldn't have been surprised
because there is a fair amount of volatility.

Paul

Analyzed in Rollout
No double
Player Winning Chances: 65.92% (G:17.87% B:1.01%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 34.08% (G:10.85% B:0.39%)
Double/Take
Player Winning Chances: 66.26% (G:17.86% B:1.00%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 33.74% (G:10.65% B:0.35%)

Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.389, Double=+0.832

Cubeful Equities:
No double: +0.662 (-0.020)
Double/Take: +0.682
Double/Pass: +1.000 (+0.318)

Best Cube action: Double / Take

Rollout:
1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
Confidence No Double: ± 0.012 (+0.649..+0.674)
Confidence Double: ± 0.017 (+0.665..+0.698)

Double Decision confidence: 97.1%
Take Decision confidence: 100.0%

Duration: 6 minutes 56 seconds

eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10, MET: Kazaross XG2


interests / rec.games.backgammon / Legal fees?

1
server_pubkey.txt

rocksolid light 0.9.81
clearnet tor