https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9505798/

The rift valley is EXACTLY where we'd expect to find
an "Aquatic Ape" ancestor. He had an outlet to the
sea. So, there's a freshwater outlet for a coastal
population to follow inland...

*This* is the model!

No, there wasn't ONLY an "Aquatic Ape" population, but
the Aquatic Ape population was the ONLY ancestor
common to all so called "Modern" humans!

The lived on the coast, consuming resources, moving
on when the immediate food supply was exhausted or
at least growing thin. Occasionally they pushed inland.
Conflict, natural disaster, running from threats... "Climate
Change."

Depending on WHEN they pushed inland they became
Lucy or Denisovans... whatever...

It started long before Lucy, continued long after Denisovans
popped up. The Americas, it is now understood, were first
settled by way of COASTAL DISPERSAL: Groups following
the coast, exploiting marine resources and eventually
pushing inland. Just. As. Our. Ancestors. Had. Always. Done.

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On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 8:35:13 PM UTC-7, JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9505798/
>
> The rift valley is EXACTLY where we'd expect to find
> an "Aquatic Ape" ancestor. He had an outlet to the
> sea. So, there's a freshwater outlet for a coastal
> population to follow inland...
>
> *This* is the model!
>
> No, there wasn't ONLY an "Aquatic Ape" population, but
> the Aquatic Ape population was the ONLY ancestor
> common to all so called "Modern" humans!
>
> The lived on the coast, consuming resources, moving
> on when the immediate food supply was exhausted or
> at least growing thin. Occasionally they pushed inland.
> Conflict, natural disaster, running from threats... "Climate
> Change."
>
> Depending on WHEN they pushed inland they became
> Lucy or Denisovans... whatever...
>
> It started long before Lucy, continued long after Denisovans
> popped up. The Americas, it is now understood, were first
> settled by way of COASTAL DISPERSAL: Groups following
> the coast, exploiting marine resources and eventually
> pushing inland. Just. As. Our. Ancestors. Had. Always. Done.
>
>
>
>
> -- --
>
> https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/712178904209702912

Explain how you aquatic morons managed to not notice that humans aren't aquatic?

, Claudius Denk wrote:

> Explain how you aquatic morons managed to not notice that humans aren't aquatic?

It's simple. The brain trust, fresh from winning it's eighteenth Nobel Prize,
hears "Aquatic Ape" and imagines "Sea Monkeys." And being little more
than children, at least intellectually, no amount of explanation, of further
details or evidence can ever shake them from their error.

You know, exactly as you are demonstrating here...

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On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 2:38:49 PM UTC-7, JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
> , Claudius Denk wrote:
>
> > Explain how you aquatic morons managed to not notice that humans aren't aquatic?
> It's simple. The brain trust, fresh from winning it's eighteenth Nobel Prize,
> hears "Aquatic Ape" and imagines "Sea Monkeys." And being little more
> than children, at least intellectually, no amount of explanation, of further
> details or evidence can ever shake them from their error.
>
> You know, exactly as you are demonstrating here...

You fucking retards have a aquatic hypothesis for the emergence of a non-aquatic species.

Claudius Denk wrote:

> JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
> > It's simple. The brain trust, fresh from winning it's eighteenth Nobel Prize,
> > hears "Aquatic Ape" and imagines "Sea Monkeys." And being little more
> > than children, at least intellectually, no amount of explanation, of further
> > details or evidence can ever shake them from their error.
> >
> > You know, exactly as you are demonstrating here...

> You fucking retards have a

I wasn't kidding. Morons honestly hear "Aquatic Ape" and think "Sea Monkeys,"
as you depict here. This is not an argument, and neither is it a sign of
intelligence.

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https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/712789255901069312

....

> I wasn't kidding. Morons honestly hear "Aquatic Ape" and think "Sea Monkeys,"
> as you depict here. This is not an argument, and neither is it a sign of
> intelligence.

Don't waste your time with these morons, JTEM!
Let them run after their kudus... :-D

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 3:20:56 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> ...
> > I wasn't kidding. Morons honestly hear "Aquatic Ape" and think "Sea Monkeys,"
> > as you depict here. This is not an argument, and neither is it a sign of
> > intelligence.
> Don't waste your time with these morons, JTEM!
> Let them run after their kudus... :-D

Fuck you, you dishonest piece of shit. I'm the one that pointed out how bad is the savannah ape hypothesis, not you. Your aquatic ape speculations are many times more stupid than the traiditional savanna ape hypothesis. Marc, you are a liar and a loser. The only tactic you got left is to misrepresent me as a savanna theorist when you know full well that this isn't even remotely true

Fuck you, asshole.

CD

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5417583/

Int J Tryptophan Res. 2017; 10: 1178646917704661.
Published online 2017 May 2. doi: 10.1177/1178646917704661

Meat and Nicotinamide: A Causal Role in Human Evolution,
History, and Demographics

Abstract
Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and
human evolution. A key brain-trophic element in meat is
vitamin B3 / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and
nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian
origin of animal predators ratcheting ever larger
brains. This culminated in the 3-million-year evolution
of Homo sapiens and our overall demographic success. We
view human evolution, recent history, and agricultural
and demographic transitions in the light of meat and
nicotinamide intake. A biochemical and immunological
switch is highlighted that affects fertility in the
‘de novo’ tryptophan-to-kynurenine-nicotinamide ‘immune
tolerance’ pathway. Longevity relates to nicotinamide
adenine dinucleotide consumer pathways. High meat intake
correlates with moderate fertility, high intelligence,
good health, and longevity with consequent population
stability, whereas low meat/high cereal intake (short
of starvation) correlates with high fertility, disease,
and population booms and busts. Too high a meat intake
and fertility falls below replacement levels. Reducing
variances in meat consumption might help stabilise
population growth and improve human capital.

Primum Sapienti wrote:

> Abstract
> Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and
> human evolution.

This is called "Circular Reasoning." They begin with their conclusion while
in real science -- and life in general -- you are suppose to be led to or "Arrive
at" your conclusion.

> A key brain-trophic element in meat is
> vitamin B3 / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and
> nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian
> origin of animal predators ratcheting ever larger
> brains.

Lol!

And here I am, positing Aquatic Ape and a focus on shellfish, when
shellfish has no... oops, sorry, my bad; plenty of B3.

But what you CAN get from that Aquatic Ape diet and DON'T get
chasing after antelope is DHA.

So NOTHING missing from the Aquatic Ape diet, TONS missing from
the savanna idiocy diet...

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Op woensdag 29 maart 2023 om 06:21:15 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

kudu runner: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5417583/
> > Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and human evolution.
> > A key brain-trophic element in meat is
> > vitamin B3 / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and
> > nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian
> > origin of animal predators ratcheting ever larger
> > brains.

> This is called "Circular Reasoning." They begin with their conclusion while
> in real science -- and life in general -- you are suppose to be led to or "Arrive
> at" your conclusion.
> Lol!
> And here I am, positing Aquatic Ape and a focus on shellfish, when
> shellfish has no... oops, sorry, my bad; plenty of B3.
> But what you CAN get from that Aquatic Ape diet and DON'T get
> chasing after antelope is DHA.
> So NOTHING missing from the Aquatic Ape diet, TONS missing from
> the savanna idiocy diet...

Thanks, JTEM, of course.
(But they'll never learn: didn't they eat enough DHA?)

On Tuesday, March 28, 2023 at 9:21:15 PM UTC-7, JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
> > Abstract
> > Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and
> > human evolution.
> This is called "Circular Reasoning." They begin with their conclusion while
> in real science -- and life in general -- you are suppose to be led to or "Arrive
> at" your conclusion.
> > A key brain-trophic element in meat is
> > vitamin B3 / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and
> > nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian
> > origin of animal predators ratcheting ever larger
> > brains.
> Lol!
>
> And here I am, positing Aquatic Ape and a focus on shellfish, when
> shellfish has no... oops, sorry, my bad; plenty of B3.
>
> But what you CAN get from that Aquatic Ape diet and DON'T get
> chasing after antelope is DHA.
>
> So NOTHING missing from the Aquatic Ape diet, TONS missing from
> the savanna idiocy diet...

Lot's of species eat this diet, you fucking moron. They didn't develop intellect, complex language and culture, consciousness. You loons describe the diet of an otter and declare victory.

None of you has the slightest understanding of how to evaluate evidence OBJECTIVELY!!!!.

Claudius Denk / Genius

> Claudius Denk / Genius

:-DDD

All this kudu runner knows is
- Fuck you, you dishonest piece of shit.
- you fucking moron

Claudius Denk wrote:

> Lot's of species eat this diet, you fucking moron.

Speaking of fucking morons...

What percentage of the human brain is DHA? Where did it come from?

How did we evolve this dependence on DHA consuming a diet with
little or even no DHA what so ever?

The current claims, from the folks who believe in molecular dating,
place the mutation that allows us to synthesize DHA as well as we do,
and don't do it well at all, is on the order of 80k years old. This is
according to the same status quo that rejects reality oops I meant
they reject Aquatic Ape.

So where did the DHA come from?

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On Wednesday, March 29, 2023 at 2:58:09 PM UTC-7, JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
> Claudius Denk wrote:
>
> > Lot's of species eat this diet, you fucking moron.
> Speaking of fucking morons...
>
> What percentage of the human brain is DHA?

Hundreds of species have a diet rich in DHA. Only hominids have large brains. Only hominids have complex language, thought, culture. etc. Only hominids reside in large communities. ONLY HOMINIDS!!! Why the fuck is there no parralel evolution from the hundreds of other species that regularly eat a lot more DHA than do humans?

You got nothing, you fucking convoluted moron.

You idiots have no business in a scientific discussion.

> How did we evolve this dependence on DHA consuming a diet with
> little or even no DHA what so ever?

No such dependence exists except in your dull-witted imagination.

You idiots got nothing!!!

James McGinn / Genius

Op woensdag 29 maart 2023 om 23:58:09 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:

netloon:
> > Lot's of species eat this diet, you fucking moron.

> Speaking of fucking morons...
> What percentage of the human brain is DHA? Where did it come from?
> How did we evolve this dependence on DHA consuming a diet with
> little or even no DHA what so ever?
> The current claims, from the folks who believe in molecular dating,
> place the mutation that allows us to synthesize DHA as well as we do,
> and don't do it well at all, is on the order of 80k years old. This is
> according to the same status quo that rejects reality oops I meant
> they reject Aquatic Ape.
> So where did the DHA come from?

These netloons don't know, JTEM,
they have no answer, they have 0:
they don't know where we got our DHA, why we evolved very large brains, became vertical, colonized islands, spread world-wide in short time etc.etc.
although the answers are not difficult, google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo".

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 11:08:50 AM UTC-7, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
> Op woensdag 29 maart 2023 om 23:58:09 UTC+2 schreef JTEM is so reasonable:
>
> netloon:
> > > Lot's of species eat this diet, you fucking moron.
>
> > Speaking of fucking morons...
> > What percentage of the human brain is DHA? Where did it come from?

Answer my question, you evasive piece of shit. Explain why the hundreds of DHA consuming species didn't develop hominid/human evolution?

Answer my question, you evasive twit.

Claudius Denk

Claudius Denk wrote:

[---pointless---]

Now our brains are dependent upon DHA. Supposedly the mutation
that allows us to synthesize it -- and this is something we are not
great at even with the mutation -- is only about 80k years old. So,
do modern humans only date back 80k years? If not, where did the
DHA come from before that?

It's a simple question. If you want to "Argue" a human origins
absent Aquatic Ape, you need to explain where the DHA was
coming from. This is not optional. You are required to do this else
you have no model. You have no hypothesis. All you're doing is
ranting incoherently... emotionally.

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https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/Neanderthals

On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 7:08:59 PM UTC-7, JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
> Claudius Denk wrote:
>
> [---pointless---]
>
> Now our brains are dependent upon DHA.

So, let me get this straight, your theory is that humans--for no known reason--suddenly became dependent on DHA. And this dependency underlies the emergence of all hominid intellectual, social, and cultural behaviors/adaptations? All because of DHA. Right?

> Supposedly the mutation
> that allows us to synthesize it -- and this is something we are not
> great at even with the mutation -- is only about 80k years old. So,
> do modern humans only date back 80k years? If not, where did the
> DHA come from before that?

Explain why otter and the hundreds of other species that eat shellfish have not developed this dependency on DHA that you think causes human evolution?

> It's a simple question. If you want to "Argue" a human origins
> absent Aquatic Ape, you need to explain where the DHA was
> coming from.

Brain growth does not rely on DHA or any one substance, moron.

Find a new hobby, science ain't your thing.

Claudius Denk / Genius

littor...@gmail.com wrote:

> These netloons don't know, JTEM,
> they have no answer, they have 0:
> they don't know where we got our DHA, why we evolved very large brains

Apparently they never even thought to Google it. Or read any of the
threads on the topic... or the replies to their idiocy...

They're an attention starved troll. Some people are so desperate for attention
that negative attention is good enough, and probably the best they can manage
given their symptoms.

They don't care about human origins. They have no interest in science. They're
just acting out, seeking negative attention "Just like mom used to give them."

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JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>> Abstract
>> Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and
>> human evolution.
>
> This is called "Circular Reasoning." They begin with their conclusion while

THIS must be circular reasoining too then: "Fishing was a critical
step in all animal and human evolution"

> in real science -- and life in general -- you are suppose to be led to or "Arrive
> at" your conclusion.
>
>> A key brain-trophic element in meat is
>> vitamin B3 / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and
>> nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian
>> origin of animal predators ratcheting ever larger
>> brains.
>
> Lol!
>
> And here I am, positing Aquatic Ape and a focus on shellfish, when
> shellfish has no... oops, sorry, my bad; plenty of B3.
>
> But what you CAN get from that Aquatic Ape diet and DON'T get
> chasing after antelope is DHA.
>
> So NOTHING missing from the Aquatic Ape diet, TONS missing from
> the savanna idiocy diet...

Meat and vegetation

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5417583/

Int J Tryptophan Res. 2017; 10: 1178646917704661.
Published online 2017 May 2. doi: 10.1177/1178646917704661

Meat and Nicotinamide: A Causal Role in Human Evolution,
History, and Demographics

Abstract
Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and
human evolution. A key brain-trophic element in meat is
vitamin B3 / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and
nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian
origin of animal predators ratcheting ever larger
brains. This culminated in the 3-million-year evolution
of Homo sapiens and our overall demographic success. We
view human evolution, recent history, and agricultural
and demographic transitions in the light of meat and
nicotinamide intake. A biochemical and immunological
switch is highlighted that affects fertility in the
‘de novo’ tryptophan-to-kynurenine-nicotinamide ‘immune
tolerance’ pathway. Longevity relates to nicotinamide
adenine dinucleotide consumer pathways. High meat intake
correlates with moderate fertility, high intelligence,
good health, and longevity with consequent population
stability, whereas low meat/high cereal intake (short
of starvation) correlates with high fertility, disease,
and population booms and busts. Too high a meat intake
and fertility falls below replacement levels. Reducing
variances in meat consumption might help stabilise
population growth and improve human capital.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/06/130603163749.htm

Most apes eat leaves and fruits from trees and shrubs.
New studies spearheaded by the University of Utah show
that human ancestors expanded their menu 3.5 million
years ago, adding tropical grasses and sedges to an
ape-like diet and setting the stage for our modern
diet of grains, grasses, and meat and dairy from
grazing animals.

In four new studies of carbon isotopes in fossilized
tooth enamel from scores of human ancestors and baboons
in Africa from 4 million to 10,000 years ago, a team
of two dozen researchers found a surprise increase in
the consumption of grasses and sedges -- plants that
resemble grasses and rushes but have stems and
triangular cross sections.

"At last, we have a look at 4 million years of the
dietary evolution of humans and their ancestors," says
University of Utah geochemist Thure Cerling, principal
author of two of the four new studies published online
June 3 by the journal Proceedings of the National
Academy of Sciences. Most funding was from the
National Science Foundation.

"For a long time, primates stuck by the old
restaurants -- leaves and fruits -- and by 3.5 million
years ago, they started exploring new diet
possibilities -- tropical grasses and sedges -- that
grazing animals discovered a long time before, about
10 million years ago" when African savanna began
expanding, Cerling says. "Tropical grasses provided a
new set of restaurants. We see an increasing reliance
on this new resource by human ancestors that most
primates still don't use today."

Grassy savannas and grassy woodlands in East Africa
were widespread by 6 million to 7 million years ago. It
is a major question why human ancestors didn't seriously
start exploiting savanna grasses until less than 4
million years ago.

https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.1222568110
Stable isotope-based diet reconstructions of Turkana
Basin hominins

Abstract
Hominin fossil evidence in the Turkana Basin in Kenya
from ca. 4.1 to 1.4 Ma samples two archaic early hominin
genera and records some of the early evolutionary
history of Paranthropus and Homo. Stable carbon isotopes
in fossil tooth enamel are used to estimate the fraction
of diet derived from C3 or C4 resources in these hominin
taxa. The earliest hominin species in the Turkana Basin,
Australopithecus anamensis, derived nearly all of its
diet from C3 resources. Subsequently, by ca. 3.3 Ma, the
later Kenyanthropus platyops had a very wide dietary
range—from virtually a purely C3 resource-based diet to
one dominated by C4 resources. By ca. 2 Ma, hominins in
the Turkana Basin had split into two distinct groups:
specimens attributable to the genus Homo provide evidence
for a diet with a ca. 65/35 ratio of C3- to C4-based
resources, whereas P. boisei had a higher fraction of
C4-based diet (ca. 25/75 ratio). Homo sp. increased the
fraction of C4-based resources in the diet through ca.
1.5 Ma, whereas P. boisei maintained its high dependency
on C4-derived resources.

That's then evidence, kid. No just so story, no
hand waving.

Primum Sapienti wrote:

> THIS must be circular reasoining too then: "Fishing was a critical
> step in all animal and human evolution"

Technically, no, it's not a "Circular" argument it's a "Straw Man" argument.

The critical step would have been shellfish. Well. maybe scavenging
any fish marine/mammals that washed up on shore. But definiitely
shellfish.

They just picked them up.

I've course I've explicitly stated this countless times but reading
comprehension & retention gets in the way of your trolling, I suppose,
so you had to kill them off...

> > Lol!
> >
> > And here I am, positing Aquatic Ape and a focus on shellfish, when
> > shellfish has no... oops, sorry, my bad; plenty of B3.
> >
> > But what you CAN get from that Aquatic Ape diet and DON'T get
> > chasing after antelope is DHA.
> >
> > So NOTHING missing from the Aquatic Ape diet, TONS missing from
> > the savanna idiocy diet...

> Meat and vegetation
> https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5417583/

Still no DHA, and according to one of your own cites, which you can't
recall it seems, humans have only been able to synthesize DHA as well
as we do for 80k years... and we're not that good at it.

Again, just do the Google on the brain and DHA.

No amount of misunderstanding cites can change any of the facts.

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JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
> Primum Sapienti wrote:
>
>> THIS must be circular reasoining too then: "Fishing was a critical
>> step in all animal and human evolution"
>
> Technically, no, it's not a "Circular" argument it's a "Straw Man" argument.

That's aa all right.

Primum Sapienti wrote:

[OCPD]

You clearly have zero interests in the topic. Which just makes
you look even more idiotic, with your insistence on replying.

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https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/724349278678614016

JTEM is so reasonable wrote:
>
[OCPD]

Yeah, the FBI has been informed about you... can't take any risks.

So, anyway, you are a blithering idiot, quoting things you never read,
much less understood, and that's why you can't answer even basis
questions.

OCPD, Primum Sapienti wrote:
[...]

You clearly pose a threat to the public, with your disorders...

The Rift Valley is a fantastic example of circular thinking that
passes for "Science" in paleo anthropology.

The Rift Valley is exactly where a coastal population, a waterside
group -- Aquatic Ape -- would wind up, as some members broke
off, followed the water inland only to adapt and spread...

It fits Aquatic Ape like a glove, this Rift Valley, and yet you can't
squeeze it into any stupid Out of Africa purity model.

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