https://www.turkishminute.com/2022/10/12/putin-moots-major-gas-hub-in-turkey-with-nord-stream-supplies-report/

Read the above, it relates to Putin's meeting with NATO member
President, Erdogan.

Putin is expressing after the meeting long term energy plans.
That doesn't sound like a man who's willing to commit suicide AND
destroy his own country to boot, in a nuclear conflagration. A
suicidal person has NO long term, not even medium term, plans.

You are so full of shite, Brian. Honestly mate, you need to get a
fucking grip. Doom doom doom, but you're incapable of understanding
history or realpolitik - there is no real threat of NUCDET unless
those idiots in NK do some more testwork. It's all just politics.

Grow up.

On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 15:43:12 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

>
> https://www.turkishminute.com/2022/10/12/putin-moots-major-gas-hub-in-turkey-with-nord-stream-supplies-report/
>
> Read the above, it relates to Putin's meeting with NATO member
> President, Erdogan.
>
> Putin is expressing after the meeting long term energy plans.
> That doesn't sound like a man who's willing to commit suicide AND
> destroy his own country to boot, in a nuclear conflagration. A
> suicidal person has NO long term, not even medium term, plans.
>
> You are so full of shite, Brian. Honestly mate, you need to get a
> fucking grip. Doom doom doom, but you're incapable of understanding
> history or realpolitik - there is no real threat of NUCDET unless
> those idiots in NK do some more testwork. It's all just politics.
>
> Grow up.

### - smile, have just seen all this coming (in one form or another) for
years is all heh...

plus it's ALREADY gone WAY beyond "just politics" you fool!!! so put your
head back in the sand and just continue 'pretending' it doesn't even
exist!? duh! (critical thinking isn't for you! the last time you even
'tried' to think critically about it you panicked/shat yourself lol :)))

in cartoon form this is what we're seeing currently:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqn0wFHGYGc

and it only ever ends one way...

(coz there's no off-ramp, see?)

On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 00:05:54 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 15:43:12 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.turkishminute.com/2022/10/12/putin-moots-major-gas-hub-in-turkey-with-nord-stream-supplies-report/
>>
>> Read the above, it relates to Putin's meeting with NATO member
>> President, Erdogan.
>>
>> Putin is expressing after the meeting long term energy plans.
>> That doesn't sound like a man who's willing to commit suicide AND
>> destroy his own country to boot, in a nuclear conflagration. A
>> suicidal person has NO long term, not even medium term, plans.
>>
>> You are so full of shite, Brian. Honestly mate, you need to get a
>> fucking grip. Doom doom doom, but you're incapable of understanding
>> history or realpolitik - there is no real threat of NUCDET unless
>> those idiots in NK do some more testwork. It's all just politics.
>>
>> Grow up.
>
>### - smile, have just seen all this coming (in one form or another) for
>years is all heh...

Sure you have, genius.

Just like the war with Iran you bet me $50.00 would happen in 6
months, about 4 years ago. You lost and you welched.

>
>plus it's ALREADY gone WAY beyond "just politics" you fool!!! so put your
>head back in the sand and just continue 'pretending' it doesn't even
>exist!? duh! (critical thinking isn't for you! the last time you even
>'tried' to think critically about it you panicked/shat yourself lol :)))

What doesn't exist? What are you talking about?

>
>in cartoon form this is what we're seeing currently:
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqn0wFHGYGc
>
>and it only ever ends one way...

Not gonna happen. Putin ain't gonna start anything nuclear, he
doesn't have a "football" with nuclear codes like Dark Brandon, he has
a briefcase with which he transmits orders to Gerasimov and there's no
guarantee Gerasimov will carry them out. Gerasimov might pull his 9mm
out and put one in Putin's skull if it ever comes to that, which it
won't. Putin is rational, nasty, but rational.
>
>(coz there's no off-ramp, see?)

On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 08:54:43 +0100, o'Mahoney <libertidad@south.south.com>
wrote:

> On Thu, 13 Oct 2022 00:05:54 +0100, slider <slider@anashram.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 12 Oct 2022 15:43:12 +0100, o'Mahoney
>> <libertidad@south.south.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.turkishminute.com/2022/10/12/putin-moots-major-gas-hub-in-turkey-with-nord-stream-supplies-report/
>>>
>>> Read the above, it relates to Putin's meeting with NATO member
>>> President, Erdogan.
>>>
>>> Putin is expressing after the meeting long term energy plans.
>>> That doesn't sound like a man who's willing to commit suicide AND
>>> destroy his own country to boot, in a nuclear conflagration. A
>>> suicidal person has NO long term, not even medium term, plans.
>>>
>>> You are so full of shite, Brian. Honestly mate, you need to get a
>>> fucking grip. Doom doom doom, but you're incapable of understanding
>>> history or realpolitik - there is no real threat of NUCDET unless
>>> those idiots in NK do some more testwork. It's all just politics.
>>>
>>> Grow up.
>>
>> ### - smile, have just seen all this coming (in one form or another) for
>> years is all heh...
>
> Sure you have, genius.
>
> Just like the war with Iran you bet me $50.00 would happen in 6
> months, about 4 years ago. You lost and you welched.
>
>>
>> plus it's ALREADY gone WAY beyond "just politics" you fool!!! so put
>> your
>> head back in the sand and just continue 'pretending' it doesn't even
>> exist!? duh! (critical thinking isn't for you! the last time you even
>> 'tried' to think critically about it you panicked/shat yourself lol :)))
>
> What doesn't exist? What are you talking about?

### - the eve of destruction hanging over our heads currently of course,
what else are we even talkin' about here heh :))) - it DOES exist!

>> in cartoon form this is what we're seeing currently:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uqn0wFHGYGc
>>
>> and it only ever ends one way...
>
> Not gonna happen. Putin ain't gonna start anything nuclear, he
> doesn't have a "football" with nuclear codes like Dark Brandon, he has
> a briefcase with which he transmits orders to Gerasimov and there's no
> guarantee Gerasimov will carry them out. Gerasimov might pull his 9mm
> out and put one in Putin's skull if it ever comes to that, which it
> won't. Putin is rational, nasty, but rational.
>>
>> (coz there's no off-ramp, see?)

### - am seeing/contemplating 2 possibilities of it going nuclear
currently:

1, russia small-nukes kiev alone taking out their whole command structure
in one horrible go and the west is afraid to immediately respond in kind
for fear of starting ww3... ergo russia wins and the west ultimately
backs-off (to the negotiating table) seeing as russia actually used it and
would now very likely use it again if at all threatened etc...

2, the west clearly realises the above possibility/risk and preempts it by
launching a surprise attack of their own rather than let russia win the
ukraine struggle thus... chances are though what's left of russia would
still respond in kind and the west reduced to mostly ruins... a price the
west may or may not be prepared to pay! (very fucking dangerous but is
perhaps the only way they can maintain an upper hand whereas at the moment
they're clearly slowly losing it...)

otoh (a real longshot heh) the west might see SOME kinda sense/sanity and
negotiate with russia for peace before it all goes too far (there'd have
to be some concessions tho' such as ukraine remaining a neutral country
instead of joining nato etc, which is apparently all russia is asking for,
that and that the russian speaking people in ukraine be 'allowed' to live
instead of being ethnically cleansed...) only i can't see/imagine the west
ever behaving so sanely? their agenda of destroying russia and china
(competing ideologies) is just too entrenched, so is unlikely to happen...

russia's violent response to having their bridge blown up sending a clear
message of how they'll now react to any attacks upon their territory

there currently being no 'off-ramp' for either side a clash is thus
inevitable if things keep going/escalating the way they are... (seen this
many times before innit: if 2 idiots keep shouting at each other & making
threats it always ends up in a scrap at some point unless the police turn
up to stop it... the UN being the only available police and they belong
to/support nato, so no chance there...)

plus ALL of the above COULD happen... today! - or tomorrow or next week!

we're THAT close!

so will sanity ultimately prevail??? highly fucking unlikely LOL :))))

but please, please surprise me, would love to see/witness some sanity in
this mechanical/artless world heh :)

Good scenarios from both sides of the battlefield above.

Two psychological factors that are at odds in the states:
1. Some people, including young people have a healthy fear
of nuclear war, this is wide spectrum far right, right, indies, liberals and progressives.
That is the people though, not the leaders.
2. A lot of the leaders and elites bought into their own "hypnotic" propaganda that
Trump was installed by Putin. I'm not a huge Obama fan but he did save us from
Hillary, John McCain and Romney.

As a sidebar Liz Cheney subpoenaed Trump. Thang scores a point there.

This is a decent historical article from Zerohedge.
It's about how this pipeline financial war goes back to Syria.
I backed every war and president up until they went to bioweapons with Covid-19
CIA is mostly Republican, FBI is mostly Democrat, so those two are always at war.

There's a deep psychosis in the American elites on both sides, money money money & madness.

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Escobar: The Thin Red Line - NATO Can't Afford To Lose Kabul & Kiev

Friday, Oct 14, 2022 - 01:00 AM
Authored by Pepe Escobar,

Let’s start with Pipelineistan. Nearly seven years ago, I showed how Syria was the ultimate Pipelineistan war.

Damascus had rejected the – American – plan for a Qatar-Turkey gas pipeline, to the benefit of Iran-Iraq-Syria (for which a memorandum of understanding was signed).

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/escobar-thin-red-line-nato-cant-afford-lose-kabul-kiev

What followed was a vicious, concerted “Assad must go” campaign: proxy war as the road to regime change. The toxic dial went exponentially up with the instrumentalization of ISIS – yet another chapter of the war of terror (italics mine). Russia blocked ISIS, thus preventing regime change in Damascus. The Empire of Chaos-favored pipeline bit the dust..

Now the Empire finally exacted payback, blowing up existing pipelines – Nord Stream (NS) and Nord Steam 2 (NS2) – carrying or about to carry Russian gas to a key imperial economic competitor: the EU.

We all know by now that Line B of NS2 has not been bombed, or even punctured, and it’s ready to go. Repairing the other three – punctured – lines would not be a problem: a matter of two months, according to naval engineers. Steel on the Nord Streams is thicker than on modern ships. Gazprom has offered to repair them – as long as Europeans behave like grown-ups and accept strict security conditions.

We all know that’s not going to happen. None of the above is discussed across NATOstan media. That means that Plan A by the usual suspects remains in place: creating a contrived natural gas shortage, leading to the de-industrialization of Europe, all part of the Great Reset, rebranded “The Great Narrative”.

Meanwhile, the EU Muppet Show is discussing the ninth sanction package against Russia. Sweden refuses to share with Russia the results of the dodgy intra-NATO “investigation” of itself on who blew up the Nord Streams.

At Russian Energy Week, President Putin summarized the stark facts.

Europe blames Russia for the reliability of its energy supplies even though it was receiving the entire volume it bought under fixed contracts.

The “orchestrators of the Nord Stream terrorist attacks are those who profit from them”.

Repairing Nord Stream strings “would only make sense in the event of continued operation and security”.

Buying gas on the spot market will cause a €300 billion loss for Europe.

The rise in energy prices is not due to the Special Military Operation (SMO), but to the West’s own policies.

Yet the Dead Can Dance show must go on. As the EU forbids itself to buy Russian energy, the Brussels Eurocracy skyrockets their debt to the financial casino. The imperial masters laugh all the way to the bank with this form of collectivism – as they continue to profit from using financial markets to pillage and plunder whole nations.

Which bring us to the clincher: the Straussian/neo-con psychos controlling Washington’s foreign policy eventually might – and the operative word is “might” – stop weaponizing Kiev and start negotiations with Moscow only after their main industrial competitors in Europe go bankrupt.

But even that would not be enough – because one of NATO’s key “invisible” mandates is to capitalize, whatever means necessary, on food resources across the Pontic-Caspian steppe: we’re talking about 1 million km2 of food production from Bulgaria all the way to Russia.
Judo in Kharkov

The SMO has swiftly transitioned into a “soft” CTO (Counter-Terrorist Operation) even without an official announcement. The no-nonsense approach of the new overall commander with full carte blanche from the Kremlin, General Surovikin, a.k.a. “Armageddon”, speaks for itself.

There are absolutely no indicators whatsoever pointing to a Russian defeat anywhere along the over 1,000 km-long frontline. The spun-to-death withdrawal from Kharkov may have been a masterstroke: the first stage of a judo move that, cloaked in legality, fully developed after the terrorist bombing of Krymskiy Most – the Crimea Bridge.

Let’s look at the retreat from Kharkov as a trap – as in Moscow graphically demonstrating “weakness”. That led the Kiev forces – actually their NATO handlers – to gloat about Russia “fleeing”, abandon all caution, and go for broke, even embarking on a terror spiral, from the assassination of Darya Dugina to the attempted destruction of Krymskiy Most.

In terms of Global South public opinion, it’s already established that General Armageddon’s Daily Morning Missile Show is a legal (italics mine) response to a terrorist state. Putin may have sacrificed, for a while, a piece on the chessboard – Kharkov: after all, the SMO mandate is not to hold terrain, but to demilitarize Ukraine.

Moscow even won post-Kharkov: all the Ukrainian military equipment accumulated in the area was thrown into offensives, just for the Russian Army to merrily engage in non-stop target practice.

And then there’s the real clincher: Kharkov set in motion a series of moves that allowed Putin to eventually go for checkmate, via the missile-heavy “soft” CTO, reducing the collective West to a bunch of headless chickens.

In parallel, the usual suspects continue to relentlessly spin their new nuclear “narrative”. Foreign Minister Lavrov has been forced to repeat ad nauseam that according to Russian nuclear doctrine, a strike may only happen in response to an attack “which endangers the entire existence of the Russian Federation.”

The aim of the D.C. psycho killers – in their wild wet dreams – is to provoke Moscow into using tactical nuclear weapons in the battlefield. That was another vector in rushing the timing of the Crimea Bridge terror attack: after all British intel plans had been swirling for months. That all came to nought.

The hysterical Straussian/neocon propaganda machine is frantically, pre-emptively, blaming Putin: he’s “cornered”, he’s “losing”, he’s “getting desperate” so he’ll launch a nuclear strike.

It’s no wonder the Doomsday Clock set up by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists in 1947 is now placed at only 100 seconds from midnight. Right on “Doom’s doorstep”.

This is where a bunch of American psychos is leading us.
Life at Doom’s doorstep

As the Empire of Chaos, Lies and Plunder is petrified by the startling Double Fail of a massive economic/military attack, Moscow is systematically preparing for the next military offensive. As it stands, it’s clear that the Anglo-American axis will not negotiate. It has not even tried for the past 8 years, and it’s not about to change course, even incited by an angelic chorus ranging from Elon Musk to Pope Francis.

Instead of going Full Timur, accumulating a pyramid of Ukrainian skulls, Putin has summoned eons of Taoist patience to avoid military solutions. Terror on the Crimea Bridge may have been a game-changer. But the velvet gloves are not totally off: General Armageddon’s daily aerial routine may still be seen as a – relatively polite – warning. Even in his latest landmark speech, which contained a savage indictment of the West, Putin made clear he’s always open for negotiations.

Yet by now, Putin and the Security Council know why the Americans simply can’t negotiate. Ukraine may be just a pawn in their game, but it’s still one of Eurasia’s key geopolitical nodes: whoever controls it, enjoys extra strategic depth.

The Russians are very much aware that the usual suspects are obsessed with blowing up the complex process of Eurasia integration – starting with China’s BRI. No wonder important instances of power in Beijing are “uneasy” with the war. Because that’s very bad for business between China and Europe via several trans-Eurasian corridors.

Putin and the Russian Security Council also know that NATO abandoned Afghanistan – an absolutely miserable failure – to place all their chips on Ukraine. So losing both Kabul and Kiev will be the ultimate mortal blow: that means abandoning the 21st Eurasian Century to the Russia-China-Iran strategic partnership.

Sabotage – from the Nord Streams to Krymskiy Most – gives away the desperation game. NATO’s arsenals are virtually empty. What’s left is a war of terror: the Syrianization, actually ISIS-zation of the battlefield. Managed by braindead NATO, acted on the terrain by a cannon fodder horde sprinkled with mercenaries from at least 34 nations.

So Moscow may be forced to go all the way – as the Totally Unplugged Dmitry Medvedev revealed: now this is about eliminating a terrorist regime, totally dismantle its politico-security apparatus and then facilitate the emergence of a different entity. And if NATO still blocks it, direct clash will be inevitable.