On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

<snip>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>
>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>
>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>> I do.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>
>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>
>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>> it's round.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>> see previous comment
>>>
>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>
>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>
>No you didn't.
>
>A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>
>Now, prove to me you are an atheist.

What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>.................................................

>
>For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>superficial and shallow bullshit!
>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof truth is
>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>
>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what passes for
>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>
>>
>>
>>

On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>>
>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>
>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>> I do.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>
>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>
>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>
>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>
>> No you didn't.
>>
>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>
>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>
> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?

Easy: make me believe you.

Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are an
atheist before I can believe.

Michael Christ

>> .................................................
>
>>
>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof truth is
>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>
>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what passes for
>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

On 4/29/24 1:56 AM, Maximus wrote:
> Little@man.Ball wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000
>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote:
>>
>>> if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible
>> If not, you're in denial:
>>
>> https://arkencounter.com/
>>
>> Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah’s Ark, built according to the
>> dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet wide,
>> and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes visitors young
>> and old.
>>
>
> anyone who believes the Ark story is too brain dead to have a sensible
> rational discussion with

That *is* a serious stretch these days fer sure.
But "faith" obliterates all evidence and reason ...

There WERE big floods way back - but only in SOME
locales. When those mile-high ice sheets from the
ice age melted HUGE amounts of water would have
puddled in elevated mega-lakes and behind ice dams.

At some point the dams pop, and an insane amount
of water pours down into river valleys (where most
people lived at the time). To the locals it might
have SEEMED like a world flood - deep water to the
horizon.

Now go ELSEWHERE - Africa, Australia, S.America ...
anywhere there were never ice sheets ... no floods.
Life went on as usual. Sea levels slowly rose, but
it was kinda leisurely.

And the GENETIC angles of "two of each" ... first
you'd need Dr.Who tech to pile in even two of EVERY
land species (oh wait, it was 'magic'). Second you
can't re-pop species from just TWO individuals
because of the inbreeding problem. After a few gens
they'd all be rotten (oh wait, it was 'magic').
Finally, DNA archeology reveals there were NO serious
genetic bottlenecks after the ice age (oh wait, it
was 'magic').

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the
>>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your
>>>>>>> dumb
>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>
>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>
>>> No you didn't.
>>>
>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>
>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>
>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>
> Easy: make me believe you.
>
> Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are an
> atheist before I can believe.
>
>

you can believe regardless. proof is not necessary or required for
belief. one can believe anything without proof.

>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>
>>> .................................................
>>
>>>
>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof
>>>>>>>>>>>> truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what passes
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>
>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>
>>> No you didn't.
>>>
>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>
>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>
>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>
>Easy: make me believe you.

Okay. What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist? What
would it take?

>Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are an
>atheist before I can believe.

Vincent Maycock wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>> I do.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>> see previous comment
>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>
>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>> No you didn't.
>>
>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>
>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?

best to ignore him. he's nuttier than a fruitcake, and dishonest like
most theists are

>> .................................................
>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof truth is
>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what passes for
>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>
>>>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>
>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>
>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>
>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>
>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>
>> Easy: make me believe you.
>
> Okay. What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist?
> What would it take?

Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.

In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
atheist so far:

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

Michael Christ

>
>> Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are an
>> atheist before I can believe.
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

On 30/04/2024 1:33 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the
>>>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your
>>>>>>>> dumb
>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>
>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>
>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>
>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>
>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>
>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>
>> Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are an
>> atheist before I can believe.
>>
>>
>
> you can believe regardless. proof is not necessary or required for
> belief. one can believe anything without proof.

So, you can't prove to me you are an atheist.

Why do you suppose that is?

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

Now prove to me that everything, anything, is NOT a belief first and
foremost.

This may...may...help: before you even think about landing on the moon,
you have to believe there is one. Whether there really is one or not is
only secondary to that.

And further to that, when you demand proof, you are making yourself the
proof; think about that now.

If you say that is stupid you are being stoopid and you need
to...think...before opening your mouth.

Michael Christ

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>>> .................................................
>>>
>>>>
>>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what passes
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>>>
>
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

On 30/04/2024 1:35 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the
>>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>> No you didn't.
>>>
>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>
>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>
>
> best to ignore him. he's nuttier than a fruitcake, and dishonest like
> most theists are

That bullshit sweeping statement is your usual mantra of ineptitude and
pattern of running away and trying to hide in ignorance.

Michael Christ

>
>>> .................................................
>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what passes for
>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>
>>>>
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 13:58:17 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>
>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>
>> Okay. What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist?
>> What would it take?
>
>Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.

LOL!

>In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
>atheist so far:
>
>"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>willingness to believe."

What about unbiased and objective people? What "willingness to
believe" do those people have?

On Apr 29, 2024, Vincent Maycock wrote
(in article<iqr03j5nnl63aop2tmknoo370634gh2fpm@4ax.com>):

> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 13:58:17 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
> > On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
> > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
> > > <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
> > > > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
> > > > > <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > faith.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > faith has nothing to do with it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will remain one.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > idiot is you
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
> > > > > > > > > > > > dump with your opinion, and that is it.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Maximus wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > prove it!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the
> > > > > > > > > > Great.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
> > > > > > > > > some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
> > > > > > > > > themselves considered a fool
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
> > > > > > > > > I do.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
> > > > > > > > > > willingness to believe."
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
> > > > > > > > > the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
> > > > > > > > > that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
> > > > > > > > > it's round.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
> > > > > > > > > > ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > see previous comment
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Prove to me you are an atheist.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No you didn't.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
> > > > > > regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
> > > > >
> > > > > What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
> > > >
> > > > Easy: make me believe you.
> > >
> > > Okay. What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist?
> > > What would it take?
> >
> > Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.
>
> LOL!
>
> > In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
> > atheist so far:
> >
> > "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
> > willingness to believe."
>
> What about unbiased and objective people? What "willingness to
> believe" do those people have?

Do you prefer a Jag over a Chevy, or a RR over a Maserati? If money were no
object would you make the same choice for a vehicle?
In practice are you unbiased and objective? Or anyone?

The song goes, if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, make an ugly
woman your wife. Tell me that there is a truly unbiased and objective person.

Do you see the futility of this thread?

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is
>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus
>>>>>>>>> the Great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome
>>>>>>>>> Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a
>>>>>>>>> person's
>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may
>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a
>>>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON
>>>>>>>>> your dumb
>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a
>>>>> belief
>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>
>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>
>> Okay.  What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist? What
>> would it take?
>
> Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.
>
> In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
> atheist so far:
>
> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
> willingness to believe."
>
>

that's nonsense. when something is proven eg. the earth is not flat, it
becomes fact. it's a proven fact, regardless of who does or doesn't
believe it.

>
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 30/04/2024 1:33 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is
>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus
>>>>>>>>> the Great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome
>>>>>>>>> Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a
>>>>>>>>> person's
>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may
>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a
>>>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON
>>>>>>>>> your dumb
>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>>
>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a
>>>>> belief
>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>
>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>>
>>> Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are an
>>> atheist before I can believe.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> you can believe regardless. proof is not necessary or required for
>> belief. one can believe anything without proof.
>
> So, you can't prove to me you are an atheist.
>
> Why do you suppose that is?

simply because there's no way to prove it. I can testify to it, then
it's up to you or anyone to believe or not.

>
> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
> willingness to believe."

nonsense. I've already answered this

>
> Now prove to me that everything, anything, is NOT a belief first and
> foremost.
>
> This may...may...help: before you even think about landing on the
> moon, you have to believe there is one.

it's observable. no belief is necessary. belief is only necessary when
there's uncertainty.

> Whether there really is one or not is only secondary to that.
>
> And further to that, when you demand proof, you are making yourself
> the proof; think about that now.
>
> If you say that is stupid you are being stoopid and you need
> to...think...before opening your mouth.
>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>>> .................................................
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what
>>>>>>>> passes for
>>>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>>>>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 30/04/2024 1:35 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is
>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus
>>>>>>>> the Great.
>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your
>>>>>>>> dumb
>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>
>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>
>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>
>>
>> best to ignore him. he's nuttier than a fruitcake, and dishonest like
>> most theists are
>
> That bullshit sweeping statement is your usual mantra of ineptitude
> and pattern of running away and trying to hide in ignorance.

liar. I address any legitimate argument against what I say. you're the
one who runs. my recent challenge to you is right here below in this thread.

>
>
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>>
>>>> .................................................
>>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what
>>>>>>> passes for
>>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Mon, 29 Apr 2024 22:56:27 -0700, Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:

>On Apr 29, 2024, Vincent Maycock wrote
>(in article<iqr03j5nnl63aop2tmknoo370634gh2fpm@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 13:58:17 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
>> > > <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> > > > > On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
<snip>
>> > > > > > A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>> > > > > > regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>> > > >
>> > > > Easy: make me believe you.
>> > >
>> > > Okay. What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist?
>> > > What would it take?
>> >
>> > Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>> > In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
>> > atheist so far:
>> >
>> > "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>> > willingness to believe."
>>
>> What about unbiased and objective people? What "willingness to
>> believe" do those people have?
>
>Do you prefer a Jag over a Chevy, or a RR over a Maserati? If money were no
>object would you make the same choice for a vehicle?
>In practice are you unbiased and objective? Or anyone?
>
>The song goes, if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, make an ugly
>woman your wife. Tell me that there is a truly unbiased and objective person.

Of course there are; that's where judges and juries come from.

>Do you see the futility of this thread?

We're getting there. I'll leave when its futility is undeniable.

On 30/04/2024 3:56 pm, Robert wrote:
> On Apr 29, 2024, Vincent Maycock wrote
> (in article<iqr03j5nnl63aop2tmknoo370634gh2fpm@4ax.com>):
>
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 13:58:17 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the
>>>>>>>>>>> Great.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>>>
>>>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>>>
>>>> Okay. What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist?
>>>> What would it take?
>>>
>>> Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>>> In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
>>> atheist so far:
>>>
>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>> willingness to believe."
>>
>> What about unbiased and objective people? What "willingness to
>> believe" do those people have?
>
> Do you prefer a Jag over a Chevy, or a RR over a Maserati? If money were no
> object would you make the same choice for a vehicle?
> In practice are you unbiased and objective? Or anyone?
>
> The song goes, if you wanna be happy for the rest of your life, make an ugly
> woman your wife. Tell me that there is a truly unbiased and objective person.
>
> Do you see the futility of this thread?

It seems our resident religious liar (doesn't live his bible-banging)
and thief (tries to supplant God) imparts his bias and subjective
futility bullshit from on high.

How beneficial for us all! :-).

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

On 30/04/2024 2:16 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 13:58:17 +1000, Michael Christ
> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>>
>>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>>
>>> Okay. What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist?
>>> What would it take?
>>
>> Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.
>
> LOL!
>
>> In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
>> atheist so far:
>>
>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>> willingness to believe."
>
> What about unbiased and objective people? What "willingness to
> believe" do those people have?

There is no such thing as a human being who is unbiased and objective
except for those who know and love the Lord with their whole heart.

Then He is their light and that light guides them in all truth.

Now, can you prove to me you are an atheist already?

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

On 30/04/2024 5:58 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is
>>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus
>>>>>>>>>> the Great.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome
>>>>>>>>>> Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a
>>>>>>>>>> person's
>>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may
>>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a
>>>>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON
>>>>>>>>>> your dumb
>>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a
>>>>>> belief
>>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>>
>>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>>
>>> Okay.  What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist? What
>>> would it take?
>>
>> Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.
>>
>> In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
>> atheist so far:
>>
>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>> willingness to believe."
>>
>>
>
> that's nonsense. when something is proven eg. the earth is not flat, it
> becomes fact. it's a proven fact, regardless of who does or doesn't
> believe it.

Get edjumacated, Goofy. Everything is a belief regards of whether it is
true or not!

Just be wrong, will ya, and grow the hell up!

Be a man instead of an effeminate weak-willed moron!

If you had to drive to Mexico, you haven't even got in the car yet!

Michael Christ

>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 30/04/2024 5:58 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>> the Great.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify
>>>>>>>>>> it in
>>>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome
>>>>>>>>>>> Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that
>>>>>>>>>> is what
>>>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a
>>>>>>>>>>> person's
>>>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not
>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may
>>>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a
>>>>>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON
>>>>>>>>>>> your dumb
>>>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one
>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a
>>>>>>> belief
>>>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>>>
>>>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>>>
>>>> Okay.  What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist? What
>>>> would it take?
>>>
>>> Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.
>>>
>>> In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
>>> atheist so far:
>>>
>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>> willingness to believe."
>>>
>>>
>>
>> that's nonsense. when something is proven eg. the earth is not flat,
>> it becomes fact. it's a proven fact, regardless of who does or
>> doesn't believe it.
>
> Get edjumacated, Goofy. Everything is a belief regards of whether it
> is true or not!
>
> Just be wrong, will ya, and grow the hell up!
>
> Be a man instead of an effeminate weak-willed moron!
>
> If you had to drive to Mexico, you haven't even got in the car yet!
>
>

you're an idiot. I talk sense and I get nonsense back.

>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On 30/04/2024 6:05 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 30/04/2024 1:33 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is
>>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus
>>>>>>>>>> the Great.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome
>>>>>>>>>> Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is
>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a
>>>>>>>>>> person's
>>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may
>>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a
>>>>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON
>>>>>>>>>> your dumb
>>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a
>>>>>> belief
>>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>
>>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>>
>>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>>>
>>>> Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are an
>>>> atheist before I can believe.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> you can believe regardless. proof is not necessary or required for
>>> belief. one can believe anything without proof.
>>
>> So, you can't prove to me you are an atheist.
>>
>> Why do you suppose that is?
>
> simply because there's no way to prove it.

Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And, for God's sake, why???????????????????????????????

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

So, stop playing dumb, ignoramus, teenager games!

Other things to learn...therefore...

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"When you demand proof, you are making yourself the proof." And you and
your perceptions are not that great and glorious, Maximus Magnificence!

You keep calling me stupid and a nutcase, which I am seriously thinking
about suing you about for the slander of my very good name (many
instances), when it is you who demonstrates emphatically those things!

You wanker ignoramus to the Nth degree atheist twerp!

And God bless.

Where is your soul or are you already dead?????????????????

Michael Christ

> I can testify to it, then
> it's up to you or anyone to believe or not.
>
>>
>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>> willingness to believe."
>
> nonsense. I've already answered this
>
>>
>> Now prove to me that everything, anything, is NOT a belief first and
>> foremost.
>>
>> This may...may...help: before you even think about landing on the
>> moon, you have to believe there is one.
>
> it's observable. no belief is necessary. belief is only necessary when
> there's uncertainty.
>
>> Whether there really is one or not is only secondary to that.
>>
>> And further to that, when you demand proof, you are making yourself
>> the proof; think about that now.
>>
>> If you say that is stupid you are being stoopid and you need
>> to...think...before opening your mouth.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> .................................................
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>>>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what
>>>>>>>>> passes for
>>>>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>>>>>
>
>

For goodness sake, go and learn something...anything!

Michael Christ

On 30/04/2024 6:13 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 30/04/2024 1:35 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is
>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus
>>>>>>>>> the Great.
>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your
>>>>>>>>> dumb
>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>
>>>
>>> best to ignore him. he's nuttier than a fruitcake, and dishonest like
>>> most theists are
>>
>> That bullshit sweeping statement is your usual mantra of ineptitude
>> and pattern of running away and trying to hide in ignorance.
>
> liar. I address any legitimate argument against what I say. you're the
> one who runs. my recent challenge to you is right here below in this
> thread.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>>
>>>>> .................................................
>>>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what
>>>>>>>> passes for
>>>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 30/04/2024 6:05 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 30/04/2024 1:33 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>> the Great.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify
>>>>>>>>>> it in
>>>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome
>>>>>>>>>>> Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that
>>>>>>>>>> is what
>>>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a
>>>>>>>>>>> person's
>>>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not
>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may
>>>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a
>>>>>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON
>>>>>>>>>>> your dumb
>>>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one
>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a
>>>>>>> belief
>>>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>>>
>>>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are
>>>>> an atheist before I can believe.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you can believe regardless. proof is not necessary or required for
>>>> belief. one can believe anything without proof.
>>>
>>> So, you can't prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>
>>> Why do you suppose that is?
>>
>> simply because there's no way to prove it.
>
> Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> And, for God's sake, why???????????????????????????????
>
> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
> willingness to believe."
>
> So, stop playing dumb, ignoramus, teenager games!
>
> Other things to learn...therefore...
>
> "Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
> an ignorant straw man."
>
> "When you demand proof, you are making yourself the proof." And you
> and your perceptions are not that great and glorious, Maximus
> Magnificence!
>
> You keep calling me stupid and a nutcase, which I am seriously
> thinking about suing you about for the slander of my very good name
> (many instances), when it is you who demonstrates emphatically those
> things!
>
> You wanker ignoramus to the Nth degree atheist twerp!
>
> And God bless.
>
> Where is your soul or are you already dead?????????????????
>
>

bye bye nutcase.

>
>
>
>
> Michael Christ
>
>
>
>> I can testify to it, then it's up to you or anyone to believe or not.
>>
>>>
>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>> willingness to believe."
>>
>> nonsense. I've already answered this
>>
>>>
>>> Now prove to me that everything, anything, is NOT a belief first and
>>> foremost.
>>>
>>> This may...may...help: before you even think about landing on the
>>> moon, you have to believe there is one.
>>
>> it's observable. no belief is necessary. belief is only necessary
>> when there's uncertainty.
>>
>>> Whether there really is one or not is only secondary to that.
>>>
>>> And further to that, when you demand proof, you are making yourself
>>> the proof; think about that now.
>>>
>>> If you say that is stupid you are being stoopid and you need
>>> to...think...before opening your mouth.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Christ
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> .................................................
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>>>>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what
>>>>>>>>>> passes for
>>>>>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>>>>>>
>>
>>
>

On 30/04/2024 7:45 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 30/04/2024 5:58 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Great.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify
>>>>>>>>>>> it in
>>>>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome
>>>>>>>>>>>> Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that
>>>>>>>>>>> is what
>>>>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a
>>>>>>>>>>>> person's
>>>>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not
>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may
>>>>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a
>>>>>>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON
>>>>>>>>>>>> your dumb
>>>>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one
>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a
>>>>>>>> belief
>>>>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay.  What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist? What
>>>>> would it take?
>>>>
>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.
>>>>
>>>> In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
>>>> atheist so far:
>>>>
>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> that's nonsense. when something is proven eg. the earth is not flat,
>>> it becomes fact. it's a proven fact, regardless of who does or
>>> doesn't believe it.
>>
>> Get edjumacated, Goofy. Everything is a belief regards of whether it
>> is true or not!
>>
>> Just be wrong, will ya, and grow the hell up!
>>
>> Be a man instead of an effeminate weak-willed moron!
>>
>> If you had to drive to Mexico, you haven't even got in the car yet!
>>
>>
>
> you're an idiot. I talk sense and I get nonsense back.

You talk bullshit, and you are almost dead in understanding. Even other
atheists, and by and large, there are some pretty dim ones, would get
this...

"Everything is a belief, regardless of whether it is true or not!"

Do you believe that or do you not believe that, Homer?

Sheesh!

Michael Christ

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

On 30/04/2024 7:52 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 30/04/2024 6:05 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 30/04/2024 1:33 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>> the Great.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify
>>>>>>>>>>> it in
>>>>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome
>>>>>>>>>>>> Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that
>>>>>>>>>>> is what
>>>>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a
>>>>>>>>>>>> person's
>>>>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not
>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may
>>>>>>>>>>> reject
>>>>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a
>>>>>>>>>>> fact that
>>>>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON
>>>>>>>>>>>> your dumb
>>>>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one
>>>>>>>>> anyway.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a
>>>>>>>> belief
>>>>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please understand, it is incumbent on you to prove to me you are
>>>>>> an atheist before I can believe.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you can believe regardless. proof is not necessary or required for
>>>>> belief. one can believe anything without proof.

Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> So, you can't prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>> Why do you suppose that is?

Moronimus Maximus wrote:
>>> simply because there's no way to prove it.

Michael Christ wrote:
>> Right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>> And, for God's sake, why???????????????????????????????
>>
>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>> willingness to believe."
>>
>> So, stop playing dumb, ignoramus, teenager games!
>>
>> Other things to learn...therefore...
>>
>> "Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
>> an ignorant straw man."
>>
>> "When you demand proof, you are making yourself the proof." And you
>> and your perceptions are not that great and glorious, Maximus
>> Magnificence!
>>
>> You keep calling me stupid and a nutcase, which I am seriously
>> thinking about suing you about for the slander of my very good name
>> (many instances), when it is you who demonstrates emphatically those
>> things!
>>
>> You wanker ignoramus to the Nth degree atheist twerp!
>>
>> And God bless.
>>
>> Where is your soul or are you already dead?????????????????

Miniumus wrote:
> bye bye nutcase.

Maximus the maximum runaway boy. :-).

No wonder he is nowhere on a train to nothing!

Michael Christ

>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>>
>>
>>> I can testify to it, then it's up to you or anyone to believe or not.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>
>>> nonsense. I've already answered this
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now prove to me that everything, anything, is NOT a belief first and
>>>> foremost.
>>>>
>>>> This may...may...help: before you even think about landing on the
>>>> moon, you have to believe there is one.
>>>
>>> it's observable. no belief is necessary. belief is only necessary
>>> when there's uncertainty.
>>>
>>>> Whether there really is one or not is only secondary to that.
>>>>
>>>> And further to that, when you demand proof, you are making yourself
>>>> the proof; think about that now.
>>>>
>>>> If you say that is stupid you are being stoopid and you need
>>>> to...think...before opening your mouth.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .................................................
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For goodness sake, for once in your life learn something beyond
>>>>>>>> superficial and shallow bullshit!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, you will remain as you are.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's plain logic and common sense. when there is proof
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truth is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> established. there's no longer any need for faith that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> belief is true.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can start with the above..
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> challenge unaccepted duly noted. your credibility, or what
>>>>>>>>>>> passes for
>>>>>>>>>>> it, remains in tatters
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 19:28:40 +1000, Michael Christ
<michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:

>On 30/04/2024 2:16 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 13:58:17 +1000, Michael Christ
>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 30/04/2024 1:24 pm, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 12:12:05 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 30/04/2024 11:51 am, Vincent Maycock wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 30 Apr 2024 09:56:16 +1000, Michael Christ
>>>>>> <michaelmclean2021@outlook.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>>>>>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>>>>>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>>>>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>>>>>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>>>>>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>>>>>>>> it's round.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>>>>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> see previous comment
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No you didn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A fact in your mind is only a belief and it will only ever be a belief
>>>>>>> regardless of whether it is a fact or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What would you accept as proof that anyone is an atheist?
>>>>>
>>>>> Easy: make me believe you.
>>>>
>>>> Okay. What would make you believe that anyone is an atheist?
>>>> What would it take?
>>>
>>> Prove to me you are an atheist any way you like.
>>
>> LOL!
>>
>>> In the meantime try and fathom this fact which seems to escape every
>>> atheist so far:
>>>
>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>> willingness to believe."
>>
>> What about unbiased and objective people? What "willingness to
>> believe" do those people have?
>
>There is no such thing as a human being who is unbiased and objective
>except for those who know and love the Lord with their whole heart.

So are you saying we shouldn't try to convict people in a court of law
because people are by nature "too biased" for that?

>Then He is their light and that light guides them in all truth.

Or are you saying only Christians should be allowed into a court room
because only they are "unbiased enough"?

>Now, can you prove to me you are an atheist already?

How about if I say, "There is no god. If the Christian god existed,
there would be no suffering. And there can be no god with an interest
in us because such a god can't even be bothered to give us the time of
day (if we ask him, "What time is it?")."

Most generally, I say again that there is no god. If he existed, he
would have to be hiding in the shadows, avoiding the light of day for
some unknown reason. It's simpler to just say that, like fairies, God
does not exist.

>"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>willingness to believe."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Michael Christ