From Linkedin

Violation of the principle of action and reaction through the PNN www.asps.it (PNN = Non-Newtonian Propulsion)

Funeral song in memory of the petiform propulsion of which the first CEO was Hitler, which works well only to kill people on Earth but is not capable of colonizing anything as has been demonstrated over half a century since Apollo 11: NO HUMAN COLONIES ON THE MOON ... with Musk's comical starpi**a continually exploding :-)

freely tampered with by Asps CEO E.Laureti…. censored wherever there is a trumpet or scientifically orthodox moderator :-)

Paradise Canto eighth .....He used to believe the world was in danger that the beautiful Ciprigna the crazy love radiate, once in the third epicycle;....... PNN version :-) I used to believe I'd ride it (with a trumpet) in danger (the PNN incu**ta violating the principle of action and reaction REVERIFIED by outside the Asps) that the beautiful Ciprigna (so to speak...kekkagorod antipnn troll in disguise www.asps.it/gotha.htm) sko**eggiasse up in the third epicycle (Musk's comical bankruptcy and billionaire farts with starpi**a) here is the revolution! https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ in which the violability of the principle of action and reaction is demonstrated with a patent.

With all FURTHER demonstrations Experimental ones you want
https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=875047050904261&set=a.110120617396912

https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=874370817638551&set=pcb.874370864305213

Do you really want to colonize Mars? Do it with PNN!

On 2023-12-17 08:16:32 +0000, pnn calmagorod said:

>
> From Linkedin
> Violation of the principle of action and reaction through the PNN
> www.asps.it (PNN = Non-Newtonian Propulsion)
> Funeral song in memory of the petiform propulsion of which the first
> CEO was Hitler, which works well only to kill people on Earth but is
> not capable of colonizing anything as has been demonstrated over half a
> century since Apollo 11: NO HUMAN COLONIES ON THE MOON ... with Musk's
> comical starpi**a continually exploding :-)
> freely tampered with by Asps CEO E.Laureti…. censored wherever there is
> a trumpet or scientifically orthodox moderator :-)
> Paradise Canto eighth .....He used to believe the world was in danger
> that the beautiful Ciprigna the crazy love radiate, once in the third
> epicycle;...... PNN version :-) I used to believe I'd ride it (with a
> trumpet) in danger (the PNN incu**ta violating the principle of action
> and reaction REVERIFIED by outside the Asps) that the beautiful
> Ciprigna (so to speak...kekkagorod antipnn troll in disguise
> www.asps.it/gotha.htm) sko**eggiasse up in the third epicycle (Musk's
> comical bankruptcy and billionaire farts with starpi**a) here is the
> revolution! https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ in which the
> violability of the principle of action and reaction is demonstrated
> with a patent.
> With all FURTHER demonstrations Experimental ones you
> wanthttps://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=875047050904261&set=a.110120617396912
>
> https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=874370817638551&set=pcb.874370864305213
> Do you really want to colonize Mars? Do it with PNN!

I've been lurking here for some time. I have noticed that you post
messages similar to this every ever so often. I have also seen that you
always attack rockets but never seem to be able to announce a
successful flight of your own. Perhaps I missed it. Please leave off
the attacks and post something positive about your system.

For example, how much payload can it lift to orbit? What kind of
sustained acceleration is it capable of? How much power is required to
lift one tonne to a stable 400-kilometer orbit? How much power to get
one tonne to the Moon and back? How long would the round trip take? How
much does it cost to build one of your motors? How many have you made?

No attacks, please. And please note that when you drag Hitler into the
conversation, you look really bad. Please stop doing that. It doesn't
help you. Indeed, it makes it easy to just ignore everything to say.

On 12/23/23 2:58 PM, Northern Tiger wrote:
> On 2023-12-17 08:16:32 +0000, pnn calmagorod said:
>
>>
>> From Linkedin
>> Violation of the principle of action and reaction through the PNN
>> www.asps.it (PNN = Non-Newtonian Propulsion)
>> Funeral song in memory of the petiform propulsion of which the first
>> CEO was Hitler, which works well only to kill people on Earth but is
>> not capable of colonizing anything as has been demonstrated over half
>> a century since Apollo 11: NO HUMAN COLONIES ON THE MOON ... with
>> Musk's comical starpi**a continually exploding :-)
>> freely tampered with by Asps CEO E.Laureti…. censored wherever there
>> is a trumpet or scientifically orthodox moderator :-)
>> Paradise Canto eighth .....He used to believe the world was in danger
>> that the beautiful Ciprigna the crazy love radiate, once in the third
>> epicycle;...... PNN version :-) I used to believe I'd ride it (with a
>> trumpet) in danger (the PNN incu**ta violating the principle of action
>> and reaction REVERIFIED by outside the Asps) that the beautiful
>> Ciprigna (so to speak...kekkagorod antipnn troll in disguise
>> www.asps.it/gotha.htm) sko**eggiasse up in the third epicycle (Musk's
>> comical bankruptcy and billionaire farts with starpi**a) here is the
>> revolution! https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ in which the
>> violability of the principle of action and reaction is demonstrated
>> with a patent.
>> With all FURTHER demonstrations Experimental ones you
>> wanthttps://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=875047050904261&set=a.110120617396912
>> https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=874370817638551&set=pcb.874370864305213
>> Do you really want to colonize Mars? Do it with PNN!
>
> I've been lurking here for some time. I have noticed that you post
> messages similar to this every ever so often. I have also seen that you
> always attack rockets but never seem to be able to announce a successful
> flight of your own. Perhaps I missed it. Please leave off the attacks
> and post something positive about your system.
>
> For example, how much payload can it lift to orbit? What kind of
> sustained acceleration is it capable of? How much power is required to
> lift one tonne to a stable 400-kilometer orbit? How much power to get
> one tonne to the Moon and back? How long would the round trip take? How
> much does it cost to build one of your motors? How many have you made?
>
> No attacks, please. And please note that when you drag Hitler into the
> conversation, you look really bad. Please stop doing that. It doesn't
> help you. Indeed, it makes it easy to just ignore everything to say.
>
Signor Laureti is a nut. He listens to nothing, and has been repeating
his junk for years. Don't waste time on him.

On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:19:16 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<eastside.erik@gmail.com>:

>On 12/23/23 2:58 PM, Northern Tiger wrote:
>> On 2023-12-17 08:16:32 +0000, pnn calmagorod said:
>>
>>>
>>> From Linkedin
>>> Violation of the principle of action and reaction through the PNN
>>> www.asps.it (PNN = Non-Newtonian Propulsion)
>>> Funeral song in memory of the petiform propulsion of which the first
>>> CEO was Hitler, which works well only to kill people on Earth but is
>>> not capable of colonizing anything as has been demonstrated over half
>>> a century since Apollo 11: NO HUMAN COLONIES ON THE MOON ... with
>>> Musk's comical starpi**a continually exploding :-)
>>> freely tampered with by Asps CEO E.Laureti…. censored wherever there
>>> is a trumpet or scientifically orthodox moderator :-)
>>> Paradise Canto eighth .....He used to believe the world was in danger
>>> that the beautiful Ciprigna the crazy love radiate, once in the third
>>> epicycle;...... PNN version :-) I used to believe I'd ride it (with a
>>> trumpet) in danger (the PNN incu**ta violating the principle of action
>>> and reaction REVERIFIED by outside the Asps) that the beautiful
>>> Ciprigna (so to speak...kekkagorod antipnn troll in disguise
>>> www.asps.it/gotha.htm) sko**eggiasse up in the third epicycle (Musk's
>>> comical bankruptcy and billionaire farts with starpi**a) here is the
>>> revolution! https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ in which the
>>> violability of the principle of action and reaction is demonstrated
>>> with a patent.
>>> With all FURTHER demonstrations Experimental ones you
>>> wanthttps://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=875047050904261&set=a.110120617396912
>>> https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=874370817638551&set=pcb.874370864305213
>>> Do you really want to colonize Mars? Do it with PNN!
>>
>> I've been lurking here for some time. I have noticed that you post
>> messages similar to this every ever so often. I have also seen that you
>> always attack rockets but never seem to be able to announce a successful
>> flight of your own. Perhaps I missed it. Please leave off the attacks
>> and post something positive about your system.
>>
>> For example, how much payload can it lift to orbit? What kind of
>> sustained acceleration is it capable of? How much power is required to
>> lift one tonne to a stable 400-kilometer orbit? How much power to get
>> one tonne to the Moon and back? How long would the round trip take? How
>> much does it cost to build one of your motors? How many have you made?
>>
>> No attacks, please. And please note that when you drag Hitler into the
>> conversation, you look really bad. Please stop doing that. It doesn't
>> help you. Indeed, it makes it easy to just ignore everything to say.
>>
>Signor Laureti is a nut. He listens to nothing, and has been repeating
>his junk for years. Don't waste time on him.
>
He pushes the high(?)-tech equivalent of "yogic flying", and
his method works about as well.
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:

> On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:19:16 -0800, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
> <eastside.erik@gmail.com>:
[-]
> >Signor Laureti is a nut. He listens to nothing, and has been repeating
> >his junk for years. Don't waste time on him.
> >
> He pushes the high(?)-tech equivalent of "yogic flying", and
> his method works about as well.

Someone who really believed he could do it
has tried to collect the James Randi prize for it.

He could say Hop Hop! to himself, but Randi's camera didn't see air.
Randi tells that the guy was quite surprsed,
because he really believed in himself,

Jan

Northern Tiger <northerntiger@outlook.com> wrote:

> On 2023-12-17 08:16:32 +0000, pnn calmagorod said:
[repeats from last year]
>
> I've been lurking here for some time. I have noticed that you post
> messages similar to this every ever so often. I have also seen that you
> always attack rockets but never seem to be able to announce a
> successful flight of your own. Perhaps I missed it. Please leave off
> the attacks and post something positive about your system.

It also helps to be aware of the fundamental physics
behind energy and momentum conservation.
By Noether's theorem conservation laws are linked to global symmetries.

In particular, energy/momentum conservation follows directly from
invariance under space-time translations.
All laws of physics have this symmetry at the fundamental level,
hence energy-momentum conservation must hold at all levels.

Tinkering with macroscopic objects to create a perpetuum mobile
or a reactionless drive adresses the problems
on a level where such attemps are futile.

If someone wants to make people believe in things like this
he should explain why global translation invariance does not hold.
(so that the laws of physics might be different in New York
than they are in Italy)

Failing that, all attempts at free energy, reactionless drives,
and so on can safely be ignored altogether,

Jan

On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 13:18:29 +0100, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder):

>Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:19:16 -0800, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com>:
>[-]
>> >Signor Laureti is a nut. He listens to nothing, and has been repeating
>> >his junk for years. Don't waste time on him.
>> >
>> He pushes the high(?)-tech equivalent of "yogic flying", and
>> his method works about as well.
>
>Someone who really believed he could do it
>has tried to collect the James Randi prize for it.
>
>He could say Hop Hop! to himself, but Randi's camera didn't see air.
>Randi tells that the guy was quite surprsed,
>because he really believed in himself,
>
I was unaware of that specific item, but Randi was very good
at puncturing delusions and the claims of charlatans, and
was careful to collect enough objective evidence (such as
you note) in support. Of course, many, especially the
self-deluded, refused to accept the debunking, but that
didn't make the evidence vanish.
>
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

On 2023-12-24 12:18:29 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:

> Northern Tiger <northerntiger@outlook.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-12-17 08:16:32 +0000, pnn calmagorod said:
> [repeats from last year]
>>
>> I've been lurking here for some time. I have noticed that you post
>> messages similar to this every ever so often. I have also seen that you
>> always attack rockets but never seem to be able to announce a
>> successful flight of your own. Perhaps I missed it. Please leave off
>> the attacks and post something positive about your system.
>
> It also helps to be aware of the fundamental physics
> behind energy and momentum conservation.
> By Noether's theorem conservation laws are linked to global symmetries.
>
> In particular, energy/momentum conservation follows directly from
> invariance under space-time translations.
> All laws of physics have this symmetry at the fundamental level,
> hence energy-momentum conservation must hold at all levels.
>
> Tinkering with macroscopic objects to create a perpetuum mobile
> or a reactionless drive adresses the problems
> on a level where such attemps are futile.

That is what I thought. I can't see any scenario where a working
reactionless drive can't be used as part of a perpetual motion machine.
Perpetual motion machines are impossible. It would have been nice to
have been wrong. A reactionless drive would be very useful. However,
the OP seems to be missing in action. Perhaps he will yet show up and
show everyone a working motor. Probably not.

>
> If someone wants to make people believe in things like this
> he should explain why global translation invariance does not hold.
> (so that the laws of physics might be different in New York
> than they are in Italy)
>
> Failing that, all attempts at free energy, reactionless drives,
> and so on can safely be ignored altogether,
>
> Jan

On 12/24/23 10:12 AM, Northern Tiger wrote:
> On 2023-12-24 12:18:29 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>
>> Northern Tiger <northerntiger@outlook.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-12-17 08:16:32 +0000, pnn calmagorod said:
>> [repeats from last year]
>>>
>>> I've been lurking here for some time. I have noticed that you post
>>> messages similar to this every ever so often. I have also seen that you
>>> always attack rockets but never seem to be able to announce a
>>> successful flight of your own. Perhaps I missed it. Please leave off
>>> the attacks and post something positive about your system.
>>
>> It also helps to be aware of the fundamental physics
>> behind energy and momentum conservation.
>> By Noether's theorem conservation laws are linked to global symmetries.
>>
>> In particular, energy/momentum conservation follows directly from
>> invariance under space-time translations.
>> All laws of physics have this symmetry at the fundamental level,
>> hence energy-momentum conservation must hold at all levels.
>>
>> Tinkering with macroscopic objects to create a perpetuum mobile
>> or a reactionless drive adresses the problems
>> on a level where such attemps are futile.
>
> That is what I thought. I can't see any scenario where a working
> reactionless drive can't be used as part of a perpetual motion machine.
> Perpetual motion machines are impossible. It would have been nice to
> have been wrong. A reactionless drive would be very useful. However, the
> OP seems to be missing in action. Perhaps he will yet show up and show
> everyone a working motor. Probably not.
>
>>
>> If someone wants to make people believe in things like this
>> he should explain why global translation invariance does not hold.
>> (so that the laws of physics might be different in New York
>> than they are in Italy)
>>
>> Failing that, all attempts at free energy, reactionless drives,
>> and so on can safely be ignored altogether,
>>
>> Jan
>
>
He has a junk room filled with scraps of wood, sheet metal, volt meters,
wires and tools. There must be a working machine in there somewhere.

Il giorno domenica 17 dicembre 2023 alle 09:17:11 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
> From Linkedin
>
> Violation of the principle of action and reaction through the PNN www.asps.it (PNN = Non-Newtonian Propulsion)
>
> Funeral song in memory of the petiform propulsion of which the first CEO was Hitler, which works well only to kill people on Earth but is not capable of colonizing anything as has been demonstrated over half a century since Apollo 11: NO HUMAN COLONIES ON THE MOON ... with Musk's comical starpi**a continually exploding :-)
>
> freely tampered with by Asps CEO E.Laureti…. censored wherever there is a trumpet or scientifically orthodox moderator :-)
>
> Paradise Canto eighth .....He used to believe the world was in danger that the beautiful Ciprigna the crazy love radiate, once in the third epicycle;...... PNN version :-) I used to believe I'd ride it (with a trumpet) in danger (the PNN incu**ta violating the principle of action and reaction REVERIFIED by outside the Asps) that the beautiful Ciprigna (so to speak...kekkagorod antipnn troll in disguise www.asps.it/gotha.htm) sko**eggiasse up in the third epicycle (Musk's comical bankruptcy and billionaire farts with starpi**a) here is the revolution! https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ in which the violability of the principle of action and reaction is demonstrated with a patent.
>
> With all FURTHER demonstrations Experimental ones you want
> https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=875047050904261&set=a.110120617396912
>
> https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=874370817638551&set=pcb.874370864305213
>
> Do you really want to colonize Mars? Do it with PNN!

New update in www.asps.it

with 24 dipoles such this

www.asps.it/maomao1.jpg

a 100kw kilopower to Mars and return in less than 10 days

quo fata ferunt

On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 23:17:09 -0800 (PST)
pnn calmagorod <calmagorod@gmail.com> wrote:

> Il giorno domenica 17 dicembre 2023 alle 09:17:11 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha scritto:
> > From Linkedin
> >
> > Violation of the principle of action and reaction through the PNN www.asps.it (PNN = Non-Newtonian Propulsion)
> >
> > Funeral song in memory of the petiform propulsion of which the first CEO was Hitler, which works well only to kill people on Earth but is not capable of colonizing anything as has been demonstrated over half a century since Apollo 11: NO HUMAN COLONIES ON THE MOON ... with Musk's comical starpi**a continually exploding :-)
> >
> > freely tampered with by Asps CEO E.Laureti…. censored wherever there is a trumpet or scientifically orthodox moderator :-)
> >
> > Paradise Canto eighth .....He used to believe the world was in danger that the beautiful Ciprigna the crazy love radiate, once in the third epicycle;...... PNN version :-) I used to believe I'd ride it (with a trumpet) in danger (the PNN incu**ta violating the principle of action and reaction REVERIFIED by outside the Asps) that the beautiful Ciprigna (so to speak...kekkagorod antipnn troll in disguise www.asps.it/gotha.htm) sko**eggiasse up in the third epicycle (Musk's comical bankruptcy and billionaire farts with starpi**a) here is the revolution! https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ in which the violability of the principle of action and reaction is demonstrated with a patent.
> >
> > With all FURTHER demonstrations Experimental ones you want
> > https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=875047050904261&set=a.110120617396912
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=874370817638551&set=pcb.874370864305213
> >
> > Do you really want to colonize Mars? Do it with PNN!
>
>
> New update in www.asps.it
>
> with 24 dipoles such this
>
> www.asps.it/maomao1.jpg
>
> a 100kw kilopower to Mars and return in less than 10 days

2lots of kilo?

>
> quo fata ferunt
>
>
Please bring back some rock. Tell you what, I'll be generous, I'll
give you 'til next Xmas, that's 36 lots of 10 days - should be plenty.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On Wednesday 27 December 2023 at 11:27:21 UTC+2, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 23:17:09 -0800 (PST)
> pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > New update in www.asps.it
> >
> > with 24 dipoles such this
> >
> > www.asps.it/maomao1.jpg
> >
> > a 100kw kilopower to Mars and return in less than 10 days
> 2lots of kilo?
>
You are nitpicking. Main message is that Signor Laureti's Moonshine Apparatus
is now upgraded to Marsshine Apparatus.

> >
> > quo fata ferunt
> >
> >
> Please bring back some rock. Tell you what, I'll be generous, I'll
> give you 'til next Xmas, that's 36 lots of 10 days - should be plenty.
>
Perhaps he just mixed up slogans after tasting some output
of Marsshine Apparatus. Original:
<https://encyclopediavirginia.org/1244hpr-d1e586f283181af/>

Goat of arms of Bermuda:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Bermuda#/media/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Bermuda.svg>

Flag of Bermuda:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Bermuda#/media/File:Flag_of_Bermuda.svg>

On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 03:37:58 -0800 (PST), Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee>
wrote:

>On Wednesday 27 December 2023 at 11:27:21 UTC+2, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 23:17:09 -0800 (PST)
>> pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > New update in www.asps.it
>> >
>> > with 24 dipoles such this
>> >
>> > www.asps.it/maomao1.jpg
>> >
>> > a 100kw kilopower to Mars and return in less than 10 days
>> 2lots of kilo?
>>
>You are nitpicking. Main message is that Signor Laureti's Moonshine Apparatus
>is now upgraded to Marsshine Apparatus.
>
>
>> >
>> > quo fata ferunt
>> >
>> >
>> Please bring back some rock. Tell you what, I'll be generous, I'll
>> give you 'til next Xmas, that's 36 lots of 10 days - should be plenty.
>>
>Perhaps he just mixed up slogans after tasting some output
>of Marsshine Apparatus. Original:
><https://encyclopediavirginia.org/1244hpr-d1e586f283181af/>
>
>Goat of arms of Bermuda:
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Bermuda#/media/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Bermuda.svg>

Goat of arms? Either you or the artist drank too much Marsshine.

>Flag of Bermuda:
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Bermuda#/media/File:Flag_of_Bermuda.svg>

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

On Dec 27, 2023, pnn calmagorod wrote
(in article<227a1965-8d3b-43b7-bd6a-5303e76bf3e5n@googlegroups.com>):

> Il giorno domenica 17 dicembre 2023 alle 09:17:11 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha
> scritto:
> > From Linkedin
> >
> > Violation of the principle of action and reaction through the PNN
> > www.asps.it (PNN = Non-Newtonian Propulsion)
> >
> > Funeral song in memory of the petiform propulsion of which the first CEO
> > was Hitler, which works well only to kill people on Earth but is not
> > capable of colonizing anything as has been demonstrated over half a century
> > since Apollo 11: NO HUMAN COLONIES ON THE MOON ... with Musk's comical
> > starpi**a continually exploding :-)
> >
> > freely tampered with by Asps CEO E.Laureti…. censored wherever there is a
> > trumpet or scientifically orthodox moderator :-)
> >
> > Paradise Canto eighth .....He used to believe the world was in danger that
> > the beautiful Ciprigna the crazy love radiate, once in the third
> > epicycle;...... PNN version :-) I used to believe I'd ride it (with a
> > trumpet) in danger (the PNN incu**ta violating the principle of action and
> > reaction REVERIFIED by outside the Asps) that the beautiful Ciprigna (so to
> > speak...kekkagorod antipnn troll in disguise www.asps.it/gotha.htm)
> > sko**eggiasse up in the third epicycle (Musk's comical bankruptcy and
> > billionaire farts with starpi**a) here is the revolution!
> > https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ in which the violability of the
> > principle of action and reaction is demonstrated with a patent.
> >
> > With all FURTHER demonstrations Experimental ones you want
> > https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=875047050904261&set=a.110120617396912
> >
> > https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=874370817638551&set=pcb.874370864305213
> >
> > Do you really want to colonize Mars? Do it with PNN!
>
> New update in www.asps.it
>
> with 24 dipoles such this
>
> www.asps.it/maomao1.jpg
>
> a 100kw kilopower to Mars and return in less than 10 days

Oh, gee... 100 kilowatts. Hmm. 1 hp is 746 watts. 100 kW is... 134 hp. A
Cessna 172 has a 160 hp, just under 120 kW, motor. Your motor is comparable
to the motors fitted to light passenger aircraft. A bit less powerful,
actually. Hmm. This is supposed to impress people? You’re going to go to
Mars in an underpowered Cessna? Really? And what are you going to use to
generate that 100kW? You’d better have a robust, non-air-breathing, power
system. What is it?
>
>
> quo fata ferunt

On Wednesday 27 December 2023 at 16:02:21 UTC+2, jillery wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 03:37:58 -0800 (PST), Öö Tiib <oot...@hot.ee>
> wrote:
> >On Wednesday 27 December 2023 at 11:27:21 UTC+2, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 23:17:09 -0800 (PST)
> >> pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > New update in www.asps.it
> >> >
> >> > with 24 dipoles such this
> >> >
> >> > www.asps.it/maomao1.jpg
> >> >
> >> > a 100kw kilopower to Mars and return in less than 10 days
> >> 2lots of kilo?
> >>
> >You are nitpicking. Main message is that Signor Laureti's Moonshine Apparatus
> >is now upgraded to Marsshine Apparatus.
> >
> >
> >> >
> >> > quo fata ferunt
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Please bring back some rock. Tell you what, I'll be generous, I'll
> >> give you 'til next Xmas, that's 36 lots of 10 days - should be plenty.
> >>
> >Perhaps he just mixed up slogans after tasting some output
> >of Marsshine Apparatus. Original:
> ><https://encyclopediavirginia.org/1244hpr-d1e586f283181af/>
> >
> >Goat of arms of Bermuda:
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Bermuda#/media/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Bermuda.svg>
> Goat of arms? Either you or the artist drank too much Marsshine.

It was perhaps spellchecker correcting something I mistyped to "Goat" instead of "Coat"
and I did not notice because too small screen.

> >Flag of Bermuda:
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Bermuda#/media/File:Flag_of_Bermuda.svg>
> --
> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 03:37:58 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee>:

>On Wednesday 27 December 2023 at 11:27:21 UTC+2, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 23:17:09 -0800 (PST)
>> pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > New update in www.asps.it
>> >
>> > with 24 dipoles such this
>> >
>> > www.asps.it/maomao1.jpg
>> >
>> > a 100kw kilopower to Mars and return in less than 10 days
>> 2lots of kilo?
>>
>You are nitpicking. Main message is that Signor Laureti's Moonshine Apparatus
>is now upgraded to Marsshine Apparatus.
>
>
>> >
>> > quo fata ferunt
>> >
>> >
>> Please bring back some rock. Tell you what, I'll be generous, I'll
>> give you 'til next Xmas, that's 36 lots of 10 days - should be plenty.
>>
>Perhaps he just mixed up slogans after tasting some output
>of Marsshine Apparatus. Original:
><https://encyclopediavirginia.org/1244hpr-d1e586f283181af/>
>
>Goat of arms of Bermuda:
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Bermuda#/media/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Bermuda.svg>
>
>Flag of Bermuda:
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Bermuda#/media/File:Flag_of_Bermuda.svg>
>
And of course we cannot forget:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bermuda_shorts

:-)
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 06:56:54 -0800 (PST), Öö Tiib <ootiib@hot.ee>
wrote:

>On Wednesday 27 December 2023 at 16:02:21 UTC+2, jillery wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 03:37:58 -0800 (PST), Öö Tiib <oot...@hot.ee>
>> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday 27 December 2023 at 11:27:21 UTC+2, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 23:17:09 -0800 (PST)
>> >> pnn calmagorod <calma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > New update in www.asps.it
>> >> >
>> >> > with 24 dipoles such this
>> >> >
>> >> > www.asps.it/maomao1.jpg
>> >> >
>> >> > a 100kw kilopower to Mars and return in less than 10 days
>> >> 2lots of kilo?
>> >>
>> >You are nitpicking. Main message is that Signor Laureti's Moonshine Apparatus
>> >is now upgraded to Marsshine Apparatus.
>> >
>> >
>> >> >
>> >> > quo fata ferunt
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> Please bring back some rock. Tell you what, I'll be generous, I'll
>> >> give you 'til next Xmas, that's 36 lots of 10 days - should be plenty.
>> >>
>> >Perhaps he just mixed up slogans after tasting some output
>> >of Marsshine Apparatus. Original:
>> ><https://encyclopediavirginia.org/1244hpr-d1e586f283181af/>
>> >
>> >Goat of arms of Bermuda:
>> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coat_of_arms_of_Bermuda#/media/File:Coat_of_arms_of_Bermuda.svg>
>> Goat of arms? Either you or the artist drank too much Marsshine.
>
>It was perhaps spellchecker correcting something I mistyped to "Goat" instead of "Coat"
>and I did not notice because too small screen.

The likely actual explanation doesn't alter the humor of it. Relax.

>> >Flag of Bermuda:
>> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Bermuda#/media/File:Flag_of_Bermuda.svg>
>> --
>> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

Northern Tiger <northerntiger@outlook.com> wrote:

> On 2023-12-24 12:18:29 +0000, J. J. Lodder said:
>
> > Northern Tiger <northerntiger@outlook.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2023-12-17 08:16:32 +0000, pnn calmagorod said:
> > [repeats from last year]
> >>
> >> I've been lurking here for some time. I have noticed that you post
> >> messages similar to this every ever so often. I have also seen that you
> >> always attack rockets but never seem to be able to announce a
> >> successful flight of your own. Perhaps I missed it. Please leave off
> >> the attacks and post something positive about your system.
> >
> > It also helps to be aware of the fundamental physics
> > behind energy and momentum conservation.
> > By Noether's theorem conservation laws are linked to global symmetries.
> >
> > In particular, energy/momentum conservation follows directly from
> > invariance under space-time translations.
> > All laws of physics have this symmetry at the fundamental level,
> > hence energy-momentum conservation must hold at all levels.
> >
> > Tinkering with macroscopic objects to create a perpetuum mobile
> > or a reactionless drive adresses the problems
> > on a level where such attemps are futile.
>
> That is what I thought. I can't see any scenario where a working
> reactionless drive can't be used as part of a perpetual motion machine.
> Perpetual motion machines are impossible. It would have been nice to
> have been wrong. A reactionless drive would be very useful. However,
> the OP seems to be missing in action. Perhaps he will yet show up and
> show everyone a working motor. Probably not.

Yes. The same applies to all claims of things like anti-gravity shields,

Jan

Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Dec 2023 13:18:29 +0100, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder):
>
> >Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 15:19:16 -0800, the following appeared
> >> in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
> >> <eastside.erik@gmail.com>:
> >[-]
> >> >Signor Laureti is a nut. He listens to nothing, and has been repeating
> >> >his junk for years. Don't waste time on him.
> >> >
> >> He pushes the high(?)-tech equivalent of "yogic flying", and
> >> his method works about as well.
> >
> >Someone who really believed he could do it
> >has tried to collect the James Randi prize for it.
> >
> >He could say Hop Hop! to himself, but Randi's camera didn't see air.
> >Randi tells that the guy was quite surprsed,
> >because he really believed in himself,
> >
> I was unaware of that specific item, but Randi was very good
> at puncturing delusions and the claims of charlatans, and
> was careful to collect enough objective evidence (such as
> you note) in support. Of course, many, especially the
> self-deluded, refused to accept the debunking, but that
> didn't make the evidence vanish.

Actually Randi was much better than that.
He was NOT out to puncture delusions.
Instead he talked with the claimants,
allowed them all freedom to say what they thought they could do,
and how they thought this could be demonstrated.
(they talked about it until they had reached agreement)
The process was designed to be non-adversarial.
Randi made it clear that he too was willing to be surprised.
He was even willing to give his prize to a faker.
(if good enough to fool him)

Hence the utter surprise of some of the claimants at the outcome.
That guy who thought he could levitate really believed that he could.

Jan

WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:

> On Dec 27, 2023, pnn calmagorod wrote
> (in article<227a1965-8d3b-43b7-bd6a-5303e76bf3e5n@googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Il giorno domenica 17 dicembre 2023 alle 09:17:11 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha
> > scritto:
> > > From Linkedin
> > >
> > > Violation of the principle of action and reaction through the PNN
> > > www.asps.it (PNN = Non-Newtonian Propulsion)
> > >
> > > Funeral song in memory of the petiform propulsion of which the first CEO
> > > was Hitler, which works well only to kill people on Earth but is not
> > > capable of colonizing anything as has been demonstrated over half a
> > > century since Apollo 11: NO HUMAN COLONIES ON THE MOON ... with Musk's
> > > comical starpi**a continually exploding :-)
> > >
> > > freely tampered with by Asps CEO E.Laureti…. censored wherever there
> > > is a trumpet or scientifically orthodox moderator :-)
> > >
> > > Paradise Canto eighth .....He used to believe the world was in danger
> > > that the beautiful Ciprigna the crazy love radiate, once in the third
> > > epicycle;...... PNN version :-) I used to believe I'd ride it (with a
> > > trumpet) in danger (the PNN incu**ta violating the principle of action
> > > and reaction REVERIFIED by outside the Asps) that the beautiful
> > > Ciprigna (so to speak...kekkagorod antipnn troll in disguise
> > > www.asps.it/gotha.htm) sko**eggiasse up in the third epicycle (Musk's
> > > comical bankruptcy and billionaire farts with starpi**a) here is the
> > > revolution! https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ in which the
> > > violability of the principle of action and reaction is demonstrated
> > > with a patent.
> > >
> > > With all FURTHER demonstrations Experimental ones you want
> > > https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=875047050904261&set=a.11012061739
> > > 6912
> > >
> > >
> > >https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=874370817638551&set=pcb.87437086430
> > >5213
> > >
> > > Do you really want to colonize Mars? Do it with PNN!
> >
> > New update in www.asps.it
> >
> > with 24 dipoles such this
> >
> > www.asps.it/maomao1.jpg
> >
> > a 100kw kilopower to Mars and return in less than 10 days
>
> Oh, gee... 100 kilowatts. Hmm. 1 hp is 746 watts. 100 kW is... 134 hp. A
> Cessna 172 has a 160 hp, just under 120 kW, motor. Your motor is comparable
> to the motors fitted to light passenger aircraft. A bit less powerful,
> actually. Hmm. This is supposed to impress people? You're going to go to
> Mars in an underpowered Cessna? Really? And what are you going to use to
> generate that 100kW? You'd better have a robust, non-air-breathing, power
> system. What is it?

At a rough guess you are going to need about 10^12 Joule.
At 10^5 Watt this is going to take 10^7 seconds, so 100 days,
assuming 100% efficiencyy in all processes.
So no way this is going to work, whatever the system,

Jan

Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Dec 2023 23:17:09 -0800 (PST)
> pnn calmagorod <calmagorod@gmail.com> wrote:
[-]
> >
> > a 100kw kilopower to Mars and return in less than 10 days
> >
> > quo fata ferunt
> >
> >
> Please bring back some rock. Tell you what, I'll be generous, I'll
> give you 'til next Xmas, that's 36 lots of 10 days - should be plenty.

Maybe we should settle for some bottles of Marsala?
His kilopower FIAT could go there and back in ten days,

Jan

On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 13:17:59 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:

>WolfFan <akwolffan@zoho.com> wrote:
>
>> On Dec 27, 2023, pnn calmagorod wrote
>> (in article<227a1965-8d3b-43b7-bd6a-5303e76bf3e5n@googlegroups.com>):
>>
>> > Il giorno domenica 17 dicembre 2023 alle 09:17:11 UTC+1 pnn calmagorod ha
>> > scritto:
>> > > From Linkedin
>> > >
>> > > Violation of the principle of action and reaction through the PNN
>> > > www.asps.it (PNN = Non-Newtonian Propulsion)
>> > >
>> > > Funeral song in memory of the petiform propulsion of which the first CEO
>> > > was Hitler, which works well only to kill people on Earth but is not
>> > > capable of colonizing anything as has been demonstrated over half a
>> > > century since Apollo 11: NO HUMAN COLONIES ON THE MOON ... with Musk's
>> > > comical starpi**a continually exploding :-)
>> > >
>> > > freely tampered with by Asps CEO E.Laureti…. censored wherever there
>> > > is a trumpet or scientifically orthodox moderator :-)
>> > >
>> > > Paradise Canto eighth .....He used to believe the world was in danger
>> > > that the beautiful Ciprigna the crazy love radiate, once in the third
>> > > epicycle;...... PNN version :-) I used to believe I'd ride it (with a
>> > > trumpet) in danger (the PNN incu**ta violating the principle of action
>> > > and reaction REVERIFIED by outside the Asps) that the beautiful
>> > > Ciprigna (so to speak...kekkagorod antipnn troll in disguise
>> > > www.asps.it/gotha.htm) sko**eggiasse up in the third epicycle (Musk's
>> > > comical bankruptcy and billionaire farts with starpi**a) here is the
>> > > revolution! https://www.propulsion-revolution.com/ in which the
>> > > violability of the principle of action and reaction is demonstrated
>> > > with a patent.
>> > >
>> > > With all FURTHER demonstrations Experimental ones you want
>> > > https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=875047050904261&set=a.11012061739
>> > > 6912
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=874370817638551&set=pcb.87437086430
>> > >5213
>> > >
>> > > Do you really want to colonize Mars? Do it with PNN!
>> >
>> > New update in www.asps.it
>> >
>> > with 24 dipoles such this
>> >
>> > www.asps.it/maomao1.jpg
>> >
>> > a 100kw kilopower to Mars and return in less than 10 days
>>
>> Oh, gee... 100 kilowatts. Hmm. 1 hp is 746 watts. 100 kW is... 134 hp. A
>> Cessna 172 has a 160 hp, just under 120 kW, motor. Your motor is comparable
>> to the motors fitted to light passenger aircraft. A bit less powerful,
>> actually. Hmm. This is supposed to impress people? You're going to go to
>> Mars in an underpowered Cessna? Really? And what are you going to use to
>> generate that 100kW? You'd better have a robust, non-air-breathing, power
>> system. What is it?
>
>At a rough guess you are going to need about 10^12 Joule.
>At 10^5 Watt this is going to take 10^7 seconds, so 100 days,
>assuming 100% efficiencyy in all processes.
>So no way this is going to work, whatever the system,
>
>Jan

All things are possible for an omni-everything deity. PNN is as
likely to accomplish what he suggests by believing harder.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge