The absolute most HILARIOUS thing here? The
collective disagreed with everything, every word.
Because when you're a troll hiding behind
rotating sock puppets, trying to fake your way
into relevance, you can't sit by idle and accept
reality...

<Quote>

It's a convention, not a fact. Saying "Humans
are apes" is a convention. It's like writing
from left to right, as opposed to right to left.
Neither way is "Right" (if you pardon the pun).
One way of doing it is just as good as the other.
What's important is that we all agree to the
same standard, and that whatever standard we
agree on actually serves us instead of hindering
us.

As I pointed out, and you failed to grasp, calling
humans "Apes" conveys misinformation. It creates
errors. Instead of communicating useful information
about our relationship to "Other Apes," it misleads
people. It causes them to arrive at false conclusions.

Chimps, for instance, began as upright walkers who
almost certainly used tools -- and potentially even
made them. Quite frankly, the ape (the Chimp) evolved
from us, NOT the other way around...

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On 12/27/23 3:15 PM, JTEM is my hero wrote:
>
> The absolute most HILARIOUS thing here? The
> collective disagreed with everything, every word.
> Because when you're a troll hiding behind
> rotating sock puppets, trying to fake your way
> into relevance, you can't sit by idle and accept
> reality...
>
> <Quote>
>
> It's a convention, not a fact. Saying "Humans
> are apes" is a convention. It's like writing
> from left to right, as opposed to right to left.
> Neither way is "Right" (if you pardon the pun).
> One way of doing it is just as good as the other.
> What's important is that we all agree to the
> same standard, and that whatever standard we
> agree on actually serves us instead of hindering
> us.
>
> As I pointed out, and you failed to grasp, calling
> humans "Apes" conveys misinformation. It creates
> errors. Instead of communicating useful information
> about our relationship to "Other Apes," it misleads
> people. It causes them to arrive at false conclusions.
>
> Chimps, for instance, began as upright walkers who
> almost certainly used tools -- and potentially even
> made them. Quite frankly, the ape (the Chimp) evolved
> from us, NOT the other way around...

Do you ever wonder why you have to do all your own PR?

John Harshman wrote:

> JTEM is my hero wrote:
> >
> > The absolute most HILARIOUS thing here? The
> > collective disagreed with everything, every word.
> > Because when you're a troll hiding behind
> > rotating sock puppets, trying to fake your way
> > into relevance, you can't sit by idle and accept
> > reality...

> Do you

Case on point.

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On Wed, 27 Dec 2023 19:13:06 -0800, John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/27/23 3:15 PM, JTEM is my hero wrote:
>>
>> The absolute most HILARIOUS thing here? The
>> collective disagreed with everything, every word.
>> Because when you're a troll hiding behind
>> rotating sock puppets, trying to fake your way
>> into relevance, you can't sit by idle and accept
>> reality...
>>
>> <Quote>
>>
>> It's a convention, not a fact. Saying "Humans
>> are apes" is a convention. It's like writing
>> from left to right, as opposed to right to left.
>> Neither way is "Right" (if you pardon the pun).
>> One way of doing it is just as good as the other.
>> What's important is that we all agree to the
>> same standard, and that whatever standard we
>> agree on actually serves us instead of hindering
>> us.
>>
>> As I pointed out, and you failed to grasp, calling
>> humans "Apes" conveys misinformation. It creates
>> errors. Instead of communicating useful information
>> about our relationship to "Other Apes," it misleads
>> people. It causes them to arrive at false conclusions.
>>
>> Chimps, for instance, began as upright walkers who
>> almost certainly used tools -- and potentially even
>> made them. Quite frankly, the ape (the Chimp) evolved
>> from us, NOT the other way around...
>
>Do you ever wonder why you have to do all your own PR?

"wonder" better fits stars.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

jillery wrote:

[...]

You're using this jillary sock puppet to insist that
JTEM is a star. And to you I am.

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On 12/27/23 8:12 PM, JTEM is my hero wrote:
> John Harshman wrote:
>
>> JTEM is my hero wrote:
>>>
>>> The absolute most HILARIOUS thing here? The
>>> collective disagreed with everything, every word.
>>> Because when you're a troll hiding behind
>>> rotating sock puppets, trying to fake your way
>>> into relevance, you can't sit by idle and accept
>>> reality...
>
>> Do you
>
> Case on point.

Another indicator of your insecurity is your habit of deleting
everything other people say.

Incidentally, the whole harangue about calling humans "apes" is
misguided. It's not a comment on the morphology of the common ancestor.
It's all about phylogeny. Our closest living relatives are chimps, then
gorillas, then orangutans, than gibbons and siamangs. We are thus apes,
as are other Homo, hominins, hominines, and hominids. Whether and which
ancestors were bipedal isn't relevant.

John Harshman wrote:

> Incidentally, the whole harangue about calling humans "apes" is
> misguided. It's not a comment on the morphology of the common ancestor.
> It's all about phylogeny. Our closest living relatives are chimps, then
> gorillas, then orangutans, than gibbons and siamangs. We are thus apes

You're doing it. You are literally doing it while claiming you are not.

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On 12/29/23 10:28 AM, JTEM is my hero wrote:
> John Harshman wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, the whole harangue about calling humans "apes" is
>> misguided. It's not a comment on the morphology of the common ancestor.
>> It's all about phylogeny. Our closest living relatives are chimps, then
>> gorillas, then orangutans, than gibbons and siamangs. We are thus apes
>
> You're doing it. You are literally doing it while claiming you are not.

So you can't tell the difference between a phylogenetic term and a
morphological one?

On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 15:04:13 -0800, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com>:

>On 12/29/23 10:28 AM, JTEM is my hero wrote:
>> John Harshman wrote:
>>
>>> Incidentally, the whole harangue about calling humans "apes" is
>>> misguided. It's not a comment on the morphology of the common ancestor.
>>> It's all about phylogeny. Our closest living relatives are chimps, then
>>> gorillas, then orangutans, than gibbons and siamangs. We are thus apes
>>
>> You're doing it. You are literally doing it while claiming you are not.
>
>So you can't tell the difference between a phylogenetic term and a
>morphological one?
>
Rhetorical question?
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

On 12/29/23 3:26 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 15:04:13 -0800, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman
> <john.harshman@gmail.com>:
>
>> On 12/29/23 10:28 AM, JTEM is my hero wrote:
>>> John Harshman wrote:
>>>
>>>> Incidentally, the whole harangue about calling humans "apes" is
>>>> misguided. It's not a comment on the morphology of the common ancestor.
>>>> It's all about phylogeny. Our closest living relatives are chimps, then
>>>> gorillas, then orangutans, than gibbons and siamangs. We are thus apes
>>>
>>> You're doing it. You are literally doing it while claiming you are not.
>>
>> So you can't tell the difference between a phylogenetic term and a
>> morphological one?
>>
> Rhetorical question?

Now we're getting recursive.

John Harshman wrote:

> So you

Nothing I said was wrong, much less controversial. Yet, here
you are...

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On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 17:27:13 -0800, John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 12/29/23 3:26 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 15:04:13 -0800, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman
>> <john.harshman@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On 12/29/23 10:28 AM, JTEM is my hero wrote:
>>>> John Harshman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Incidentally, the whole harangue about calling humans "apes" is
>>>>> misguided. It's not a comment on the morphology of the common ancestor.
>>>>> It's all about phylogeny. Our closest living relatives are chimps, then
>>>>> gorillas, then orangutans, than gibbons and siamangs. We are thus apes
>>>>
>>>> You're doing it. You are literally doing it while claiming you are not.
>>>
>>> So you can't tell the difference between a phylogenetic term and a
>>> morphological one?
>>>
>> Rhetorical question?
>
>Now we're getting recursive.

Right, better to feed the troll.

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Not not jillery and also not mentally heralthy, jillery wrote:

> Right, better

Do you have any idea as to WHAT you are currently suffering
a multi sock puppet meltdown over?

Clearly you have a thing for JTEM. Admit it. You know you
can't move forward until you take the chance. I mean, in
all probability I'm going to vomit when I see your nudes,
call authorities... maybe get you prosecuted. Probably. Or
almost certainly. But one and only chance you've got is
to send me those nudes anyway. So just do it.

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