The Ukrainian Gordian Knot
By Victor Davis Hanson, Sept 28, 2023
Most Americans understandably favor the Ukrainian resistance against Putin’s Russian naked 2022 aggression. Yet for Ukraine to break the current deadlock—our generation’s Verdun with perhaps 600,000 combined casualties so far— and “win” the war, it apparently must have the military wherewithal to hit targets inside Russia. Such strategically logical attacks might nevertheless provoke a wounded and unpredictable Russia finally to carry out its boilerplate and ignored existential threats. From the last 75 years of big-power rivalries, the operational “rules” of proxy wars are well known. In Vietnam, Korea, and Afghanistan, Russia supplied America’s enemies—sometimes even sending Russian pilots into combat zones.

Thousands of Americans likely died due to our adversaries’ use of Russian munitions and personnel. Likewise, Russia lost 15,000 fatalities in its decade-long misadventure in Afghanistan. In part, Moscow’s defeat may have been due to deadly American weapons, including sophisticated Stinger anti-aircraft missiles. In the bloody decades of these big-power proxy wars, many were fought on or near the borders of Russia or China. Yet none of these surrogate conflicts of the nuclear age ever led to hot wars between the U.S. and Russia or China. But Ukraine risks now becoming a new—and different—proxy war altogether.

Never has the U.S. squared off against Russia or China in a conventional proxy war over either’s respective historical borders (whether illegitimate or not).

Neither has Russia nor the U.S. itself ever provided weapons to a proxy belligerent that were used directly inside the respective homeland of either side. They understood superpowers react unpredictably to any third-party who fuels direct conventional attacks on their homelands.

Nobly protecting both Ukraine and Taiwan understandably holds a potential risk of big-power escalation that even Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, and Iraq likely did not.

The U.S. rightly is very sensitive to intrusions of any rival big power near its own borders.

When the Soviets had supplied missiles aimed at the U.S. to its proxy communist Cuba, the Kennedy administration was willing to risk war against Moscow. Indeed, America went to DefCon 2, the second highest level of nuclear readiness.

If all the current 1916-style talk of going into Mexico—ostensibly to stop the cartels from importing drugs over an inert border that kill 100,000 Americans a year—were to be reified, would the U.S. warn Moscow not to supply Mexico or the cartels with weapons or advisors?

The U.S. in 1917 declared war in part because of German interference in our own territorial affairs.

A hacked telegram from German State Secretary for Foreign Affairs Arthur Zimmermann revealed Germany had promised a potential proxy, Mexico, some U.S. territory if it were to join the Central Powers to defeat the Allies. That provocation helped convince enraged Americans to enter World War I.

The 9/11 hit was followed by an immediate American invasion of Afghanistan on the grounds that the third-party Taliban helped terrorists strike our homeland.

Additionally, nowhere in the world has territory been more disputed than in Ukraine.

Seventy-eight years ago, Joseph Stalin’s Russia formally annexed his previously stolen western regions of currently independent Ukraine. The lands were taken mostly from Poland, but also a few parts from Hungary, Romania, and the former Czechoslovakia.

Russia also seized and occupied Crimea in 2014. The peninsula had previously been Russian from 1783-1954.

Yet Crimea was only ceded by Soviet Russia to Soviet Ukraine in 1954 as a political ploy of then Soviet Prime Minister Nikita Khrushchev —himself born near the Ukrainian border.

Khrushchev sought to ensure that a restive Ukraine stayed an integral part of a supposedly eternal Soviet Union by ceremonially including Crimea into one of its own Soviet state’s sub-jurisdictions.

With the fall of the Soviet Union, the short-lived Russian-majority, and independent Republic of Crimea (1992-95), was annexed by the newly independent Ukraine.

It then remained part of the Ukrainian nation for 19 years until the 2014 invasion.

Why Putin for a third time dared invade Ukraine is obfuscated by contemporary domestic politics.

He likely enacted his irredentist agenda of restoring the borders of the former Soviet Union in 2008, 2014, and 2021, because he gambled—correctly—that the Bush, Obama, and Biden administrations could not successfully oppose his serial annexations.

Equally forgotten were the policies of the Obama, Trump, and Biden administrations regarding the 2014 Russian annexation of the Donbas and Crimea. Prior to the February 24, 2022 Russian attack on Kyiv, none of the three had ever sought to force Russia to give up either the borderlands or the Crimea.

The Obama administration’s disastrous 2009-2014 Russian “reset” appeasement policy, the 2015-16 Russian collusion hoax, and the humiliating American skedaddle from Kabul also convinced Putin that America either would not or could not oppose his 2022 invasion.

America should help Ukraine resist Russian aggression. But we should be mindful in doing so that the entire region is an historical Gordian Knot of poorly understood but ancient intertwined and competing threads—one that may risk being cut by a Russian nuclear sword.

https://amgreatness.com/2023/09/28/the-ukrainian-gordian-knot

What NATO fops and neocon wankers have achieved in Ukraine is worse than
either Dunkirk or Little Bighorn. This is the worst debacle since the
HMFIC of Tangut called Genghis Khan a plastic man.

On 10/3/23 12:59, Matt Beasley wrote:
> The Ukrainian Gordian Knot
> By Victor Davis Hanson, Sept 28, 2023
> Most Americans understandably favor the Ukrainian resistance against
> Putin’s Russian naked 2022 aggression. Yet for Ukraine to break the
> current deadlock—our generation’s Verdun with perhaps 600,000 combined
> casualties so far— and “win” the war, it apparently must have the
> military wherewithal to hit targets inside Russia. Such strategically
> logical attacks might nevertheless provoke a wounded and unpredictable
> Russia finally to carry out its boilerplate and ignored existential
> threats. From the last 75 years of big-power rivalries, the operational
> “rules” of proxy wars are well known. In Vietnam, Korea, and
> Afghanistan, Russia supplied America’s enemies—sometimes even sending
> Russian pilots into combat zones.
>
> Thousands of Americans likely died due to our adversaries’ use of
> Russian munitions and personnel. Likewise, Russia lost 15,000
> fatalities in its decade-long misadventure in Afghanistan. In part,
> Moscow’s defeat may have been due to deadly American weapons, including
> sophisticated Stinger anti-aircraft missiles. In the bloody decades of
> these big-power proxy wars, many were fought on or near the borders of
> Russia or China. Yet none of these surrogate conflicts of the nuclear
> age ever led to hot wars between the U.S. and Russia or China. But
> Ukraine risks now becoming a new—and different—proxy war altogether.
>
> Never has the U.S. squared off against Russia or China in a conventional
> proxy war over either’s respective historical borders (whether
> illegitimate or not).
>
> Neither has Russia nor the U.S. itself ever provided weapons to a proxy
> belligerent that were used directly inside the respective homeland of
> either side. They understood superpowers react unpredictably to any
> third-party who fuels direct conventional attacks on their homelands.
>
> Nobly protecting both Ukraine and Taiwan understandably holds a
> potential risk of big-power escalation that even Vietnam, Korea,
> Afghanistan, and Iraq likely did not.
>
> The U.S. rightly is very sensitive to intrusions of any rival big power
> near its own borders.
>
> When the Soviets had supplied missiles aimed at the U.S. to its proxy
> communist Cuba, the Kennedy administration was willing to risk war
> against Moscow. Indeed, America went to DefCon 2, the second highest
> level of nuclear readiness.
>
> If all the current 1916-style talk of going into Mexico—ostensibly to
> stop the cartels from importing drugs over an inert border that kill
> 100,000 Americans a year—were to be reified, would the U.S. warn Moscow
> not to supply Mexico or the cartels with weapons or advisors?
>
> The U.S. in 1917 declared war in part because of German interference in
> our own territorial affairs.
>
> A hacked telegram from German State Secretary for Foreign Affairs Arthur
> Zimmermann revealed Germany had promised a potential proxy, Mexico,
> some U.S. territory if it were to join the Central Powers to defeat the
> Allies. That provocation helped convince enraged Americans to enter
> World War I.
>
> The 9/11 hit was followed by an immediate American invasion of
> Afghanistan on the grounds that the third-party Taliban helped
> terrorists strike our homeland.
>
> Additionally, nowhere in the world has territory been more disputed than
> in Ukraine.
>
> Seventy-eight years ago, Joseph Stalin’s Russia formally annexed his
> previously stolen western regions of currently independent Ukraine. The
> lands were taken mostly from Poland, but also a few parts from Hungary,
> Romania, and the former Czechoslovakia.
>
> Russia also seized and occupied Crimea in 2014. The peninsula had
> previously been Russian from 1783-1954.
>
> Yet Crimea was only ceded by Soviet Russia to Soviet Ukraine in 1954 as a
> political ploy of then Soviet Prime Minister Nikita Khrushchev —himself
> born near the Ukrainian border.
>
> Khrushchev sought to ensure that a restive Ukraine stayed an integral
> part of a supposedly eternal Soviet Union by ceremonially including
> Crimea into one of its own Soviet state’s sub-jurisdictions.
>
> With the fall of the Soviet Union, the short-lived Russian-majority, and
> independent Republic of Crimea (1992-95), was annexed by the newly
> independent Ukraine.
>
> It then remained part of the Ukrainian nation for 19 years until the
> 2014 invasion.
>
> Why Putin for a third time dared invade Ukraine is obfuscated by
> contemporary domestic politics.
>
> He likely enacted his irredentist agenda of restoring the borders of the
> former Soviet Union in 2008, 2014, and 2021, because he
> gambled—correctly—that the Bush, Obama, and Biden administrations could
> not successfully oppose his serial annexations.
>
> Equally forgotten were the policies of the Obama, Trump, and Biden
> administrations regarding the 2014 Russian annexation of the Donbas and
> Crimea. Prior to the February 24, 2022 Russian attack on Kyiv, none of
> the three had ever sought to force Russia to give up either the
> borderlands or the Crimea.
>
> The Obama administration’s disastrous 2009-2014 Russian “reset”
> appeasement policy, the 2015-16 Russian collusion hoax, and the
> humiliating American skedaddle from Kabul also convinced Putin that
> America either would not or could not oppose his 2022 invasion.
>
> America should help Ukraine resist Russian aggression. But we should be
> mindful in doing so that the entire region is an historical Gordian Knot
> of poorly understood but ancient intertwined and competing threads—one
> that may risk being cut by a Russian nuclear sword.
>
> https://amgreatness.com/2023/09/28/the-ukrainian-gordian-knot