On 12/7/23 1:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:17:01 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56 PM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
>>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
>>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
>>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
>>>>
>>> .
>>> Miss Mattie Ross
>>>
>> While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
>> closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
> Jeff Bridges. Definitely.

I dunno, I saw him many years ago and he looked just like John Wayne,
but when I saw him again years later, he didn't.

> Tycho Brahe

Definitely not Tycho Brahe. The silver nose would have been unmistakable.

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:02:02 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> On 12/7/23 1:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:17:01 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> >> On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
> >>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56 PM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
> >>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
> >>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
> >>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
> >>>>
> >>> .
> >>> Miss Mattie Ross
> >>>
> >> While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
> >> closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
> > Jeff Bridges. Definitely.
> I dunno, I saw him many years ago and he looked just like John Wayne,
> but when I saw him again years later, he didn't.
>
> > Tycho Brahe
>
> Definitely not Tycho Brahe. The silver nose would have been unmistakable.
No! No! Tycho Brahe is MY name!

On 12/7/23 2:07 PM, erik simpson wrote:
> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:02:02 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 12/7/23 1:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:17:01 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56 PM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
>>>>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
>>>>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
>>>>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
>>>>>>
>>>>> .
>>>>> Miss Mattie Ross
>>>>>
>>>> While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
>>>> closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
>>> Jeff Bridges. Definitely.
>> I dunno, I saw him many years ago and he looked just like John Wayne,
>> but when I saw him again years later, he didn't.
>>
>>> Tycho Brahe
>>
>> Definitely not Tycho Brahe. The silver nose would have been unmistakable.
> No! No! Tycho Brahe is MY name!
>
Do you have a silver nose?

On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 3:12:03 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> On 12/7/23 2:07 PM, erik simpson wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:02:02 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> >> On 12/7/23 1:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:17:01 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>> On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56 PM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
> >>>>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
> >>>>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
> >>>>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> .
> >>>>> Miss Mattie Ross
> >>>>>
> >>>> While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
> >>>> closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
> >>> Jeff Bridges. Definitely.
> >> I dunno, I saw him many years ago and he looked just like John Wayne,
> >> but when I saw him again years later, he didn't.
> >>
> >>> Tycho Brahe
> >>
> >> Definitely not Tycho Brahe. The silver nose would have been unmistakable.
> > No! No! Tycho Brahe is MY name!
> >
> Do you have a silver nose?
I have gold and silver noses for special occasions, but for everyday use, brass does fine.

On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 13:13:32 -0800, the following appeared in
talk.origins, posted by John Harshman
<john.harshman@gmail.com>:

>On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56?PM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
>>>
>> .
>> Miss Mattie Ross
>>
>While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
>closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
>
Physically or behaviorally?
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 14:07:25 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by erik simpson
<eastside.erik@gmail.com>:

>On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:02:02?PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
>> On 12/7/23 1:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
>> > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:17:01?PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
>> >> On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
>> >>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56?PM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
>> >>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
>> >>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
>> >>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
>> >>>>
>> >>> .
>> >>> Miss Mattie Ross
>> >>>
>> >> While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
>> >> closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
>> > Jeff Bridges. Definitely.
>> I dunno, I saw him many years ago and he looked just like John Wayne,
>> but when I saw him again years later, he didn't.
>>
>> > Tycho Brahe
>>
>> Definitely not Tycho Brahe. The silver nose would have been unmistakable.
>No! No! Tycho Brahe is MY name!
>
So Tycho Brahe was the brother of the drunken gunfighter in
"Cat Ballou"? Agreed, the silver nose is unmistakable.
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 14:07:25 -0800 (PST)
erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:02:02 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> > On 12/7/23 1:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:17:01 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> > >> On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56 PM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
> > >>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
> > >>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
> > >>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
> > >>>>
> > >>> .
> > >>> Miss Mattie Ross
> > >>>
> > >> While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
> > >> closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
> > > Jeff Bridges. Definitely.
> > I dunno, I saw him many years ago and he looked just like John Wayne,
> > but when I saw him again years later, he didn't.
> >
> > > Tycho Brahe
> >
> > Definitely not Tycho Brahe. The silver nose would have been unmistakable.
> No! No! Tycho Brahe is MY name!
>

I expect the whole lot of you are really called Spartacus.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 08/12/2023 11:58, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 14:07:25 -0800 (PST)
> erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:02:02 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
>>> On 12/7/23 1:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:17:01 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>> On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
>>>>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56 PM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
>>>>>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
>>>>>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
>>>>>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
>>>>>> Miss Mattie Ross
>>>>>>
>>>>> While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
>>>>> closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
>>>> Jeff Bridges. Definitely.
>>> I dunno, I saw him many years ago and he looked just like John Wayne,
>>> but when I saw him again years later, he didn't.
>>>
>>>> Tycho Brahe
>>>
>>> Definitely not Tycho Brahe. The silver nose would have been unmistakable.
>> No! No! Tycho Brahe is MY name!
>>
>
> I expect the whole lot of you are really called Spartacus.
>

The old in-joke was that everyone was called Chris. (I'd refer you to
the University of Ediacara faculty directory, but it's on an old
Tripod.com site, and tripod.com is unreasonably aggressive with
advertising.)

--
alias Ernest Major

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 9:27:02 AM UTC-5, Ernest Major wrote:
> On 08/12/2023 11:58, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 14:07:25 -0800 (PST)
> > erik simpson <eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:02:02 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> >>> On 12/7/23 1:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
> >>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:17:01 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>>> On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
> >>>>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56 PM UTC-5, peter2....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
> >>>>>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
> >>>>>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
> >>>>>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> .
> >>>>>> Miss Mattie Ross
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
> >>>>> closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
> >>>> Jeff Bridges. Definitely.
> >>> I dunno, I saw him many years ago and he looked just like John Wayne,
> >>> but when I saw him again years later, he didn't.
> >>>
> >>>> Tycho Brahe
> >>>
> >>> Definitely not Tycho Brahe. The silver nose would have been unmistakable.
> >> No! No! Tycho Brahe is MY name!
> >>
> >
> > I expect the whole lot of you are really called Spartacus.
> >
> The old in-joke was that everyone was called Chris. (I'd refer you to
> the University of Ediacara faculty directory, but it's on an old
> Tripod.com site, and tripod.com is unreasonably aggressive with
> advertising.)
>
> --
> alias Ernest Major
http://www.antievolution.org/cs/original_faculty
Original Faculty List and Faculty Rules
Submitted by Wesley R. Elsberry on Sat, 2009-02-07 11:34.

Article 9819 of talk.origins:
From: seanna@bnr.ca (Seanna Watson)
Subject: University of Ediacara (was Credentials)
Organization: Bell-Northern Research, Ottawa, Canada
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1993 02:17:58 GMT
Message-ID:
Lines: 184

Last week, someone commented that Chrisses on t.o were as common as
Australian philosophers named Bruce. We counted, and found no fewer
than 6 *real* Chrisses (and countless wannabees). We were inspired
(or was it too much turkey and pumpkin pie from the Canadian Thanks-
giving celebration this past weekend?) to produce the following:

University of Ediacara
=====================Faculty Listing
==============
Name/Title Current Research Area & Publications
========== ===================================
Chris Colby, Dean Genetic drift of _saccharomyces_ sp.
Professor of Evolutionary Biology in starch-rich cultures.

Chris Stassen,
Professor of Geology

Chris Nedin, Professor of Very Old
Formerly Soft & Squidgy Things

Chris Heiny
Professor of Bizarre Theories

Chris Malcolm
Professor of Bicycling

Chris Ho-Stuart
Not Professor of Marine Biology

Chris Acker Laminar flood theory
Professor of Oceanography

Warren Kris vonRoeschlaub Analysis of Ice Cores from Ste
Professor of Mathematical Theology Jovite, Canada.

Chris Isaak
Professor of Computational Entomology

Chris Huston Exhaustive concordance for the
Professor of Primatology complete works of S.J.(Chris) Gould

Chris Derrick
Professor of Taoism and TAEism

Bruce Lippard Name disambiguation among homogeneous
Professor of Philosophy groups in academe

Chris Harter, Professor of Formulation of systems of logic which
Atheistic Creationism initially make perfect sense, but turn
out to be complete nonsense

Chris Lecointe, Professor of
Obfuscatory Analysis

Chris Schaffner "Something Rotten in the State of
Professor of Quantum Literature Denmark: Shakespearean Quantum
Mechanics vs the Copenhagen
Interpretation"

Chris Seimon, Erudite Professor of
Evolutionary Hermeneutics

Chris Matheson
Professor of Forrest-ry

Chris Keck
(not a Professor, but plays
one on t.o)

Chris Johnson
Professor of Creation Legalism

Chris Meritt, Professor Emerrritttus of } Investigation into maximum length
Invective and Sarcasm } of posting capable of being handled
} by the UseNet.
Chris Bales, Professor of } (joint project)
Alternative Natural History }

Chris B. Dehner, Professor of
Uniformitarian Astrophysics

Chris Holden, Adjunct Professor of "Catastrophism in software engineering:
Velikovskian Astrophysics a critique of the ADA language"

Chris T(i)un, Disjunct Professor of
Non-Sequiturs & Anachronisms

Chris Bishop
Professor of Equine Evolution

Chris Salem, Professor of EE
(Engineering Evolution)

Chris Hamilton
Professor of Vehicular Evolution

Chris Dudey
Professor of the Golden Parentheses

Dr Chris Pepper
Professor of Persistent Questions Searching for the Theory of Creationism

Chris DeadDog, Professor of
Floor Sweeping

S. Chris Watson, Professor of }
Object-Oriented Evolution } Selective breeding to produce
} a smaller, noisier type of
S. Chris Watson, Professor of } of Homo Sapiens.
Very Large Scale Evolution } (joint project)

The Rules
========
RULE #1: NO CREATIONISTS!
RULE #2: I don't want to catch anybody NOT posting during working hours!
RULE #3: NO CREATIONISTS!
RULE #4: No abusing the newbies (at least while anyone is watching).
RULE #5: NO CREATIONISTS!
RULE #6 (Theory of Creation): There is no Theory of Creation!
RULE #7: NO CREATIONISTS!
RULE #8: All S.J. (Chris) Gould quotes must be cleared through Prof. Huston
RULE #9: NO CREATIONISTS!

(Note: In contravention of the Rules, the University was forced to hire
Profs. Bales, Lecointe, Harter (!?) and T(i)un under the "Equal Time in
Education" provisions of local Affirmative Action statutes.)

The University does, of course, grant degrees up to the doctoral level,
by mail-order. If you send $100 to the Registrar (email only; no cash,
cheques or credit cards accepted), you will receive a handsome diploma
suitable for framing and hanging on the wall (perhaps in the smallest
room of your house), just as soon as we can figure out what colour(s)
it should be.

The Song
=======
We are evilutionists;
Our emblem is the fossil.
We like to get in arguments,
And rant as much as possible.
Punk! Eek! Punk! Eek! Punk! Eek!
Amen.

Associate Professors
--------------------
Chris Kettenring
Chris Friesen
Chriswell Ashlock
Chris Vickers
Chris Scharle
Chris J. Bradley
Chris Rice
Chris Henling
L. Chris Davis
Chris Ikeda
Chris Sand
Chris Solovay
Chris Elsberry
Chris Livesey
Chris Shafto
Chris Knapp
Chris Z. Lerner
Chris "Justified And Ancient" Cochran
Chris Trott
Kris Kluge
Chris Hunt

peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 9:41:58?PM UTC-5, El Kabong wrote:
> > peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Sorry to be so long in responding to any of your posts in reply to me.
> > > I have had very little free time in months for posting, and I tend
> > > to reply to well-established regulars under such circumstances.
> > >
> > > On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 8:01:38?PM UTC-5, El Kabong wrote:
> > > > peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Athel is being selectively nosy. There are plenty of people here who are more secretive
> > > > > about their backgrounds than Ron Dean. For instance, jillery has not revealed her (?) real name(s),
> > > > > place of work (if any), her (?) gender, the city in which she (?) lives, her (?) post-secondary education....
> > > > >
> > > > > But Athel is supremely uninterested in any of these details.
> > > > > That's because, you see, jillery is safely in the anti-ID camp. In fact, fanatically so.
> > > > > Athel is too, but his fanaticism only becomes apparent under widely
> > > > > scattered "Black Swan" circumstances.
> > >
> > > > IMO it's generally a bad idea to use your real name on
> > > > Usenet, for obvious reasons. Some malignants take usenet
> > > > feuds way too far.
> > >
> > > Your words only apply to certain kinds of people, IMO.
>
> Your "obvious reasons" become obscure from the way you
> backpedaled farther down from the following comment.
>
> > My words only apply to the kind of people who hate being
> > doxxed and harrassed and having hate mail sent to their
> > employers, and other such nasty shit.
>
> That never happened to me in this century. The closest thing to
> that was when someone who disappeared almost two years ago,
> Oxyaena, announced that she was going to email a complaint
> about me to my employer, (falsely) alleging libel about a point of
> disagreement between me on the one hand and her and Erik Simpson
> on the other. I immediately announced a boycott of both of them
> for the rest of 2019 (some ten months) and she never made good
> on her "promise."
>
>
> > > If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
> > > did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
> > > IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
> > > and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
> > >
> > > And you might even be able to see why I am the opposite,
> > > from the way I respond to him.
>
> > What difference does it make where other posters work or
> > what their real names are?
>
> So much for what you wrote about "having hate mail sent to their
> employers," eh?
>
>
> > It's none of my or your
> > business. Stop being such a fuss-budget.
>
> When someone backpedals as blatantly as you are doing here,
> I generally ask them, "How many reverse gears does your bicycle have?"
>
>
> > > I have nothing to hide, and I am careful, every time I do
> > > a four-line virtual .sig, to insert "-- standard disclaimer --" at the end of one of the lines.
> > > This is the disclaimer that what I write has nothing official about
> > > it where my employer is concerned.
> > >
> > > I use four-line virtual .sigs to signal that the post I have done
> > > has science-based information or opinions in it. Some personal
> > > comments could, however, also be part of it.
>
> > It wasn't clear (to me) what you meant with your standard
> > disclaimer, but if you wish to separate your views from
> > your employer's, why do you go out of your way to let
> > everyone know where you work and what you do?
>
> Nobody in talk.origins gives a hoot about what you say next,
> on account of this habit of mine. There are lots of experts
> on lots of subjects here, and one of the most liked people
> here brags about his expertise often.
>
>
> >If appeal
> > to your authority is the best scientific support you can
> > provide for your info & opinions, maybe you can up your
> > game a bit.
>
> If I don't give adequate scientific support, people are free
> to challenge me, and I reply as best I can with more science.
> I usually do very well, because I pick my opening comments very carefully.
>
> You really have a lot to learn about both me and the ways
> of other t.o. participants.
>
>
> > > > In the long run, a poster's rep will live or die by their
> > > > competence and integrity. Readers will figure people out
> > > > regardless of CV or other personal information.
> > >
> > > Here in talk.origins, a poster's *expressed* reputation has
> > > next to nothing to do with integrity, but almost everything to do with whom that person is
> > > at odds with and whom he is in a "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil"
> > > relationship.
>
> The following analogy seems to have mostly gone
> over your head, especially the "overlook infractions" part.
>
> > >Dirty debating tactics abound, but the reaction is more
> > > like in a sports arena where people overlook infractions by the
> > > team for which they are rooting, but treat the opposing team with
> > > various degrees of contempt.
>
> > That says more about you than you meant.
>
> So you ignorantly think. When I drove up to see a women's basketball at Clemson
> when they hosted my university's team (which was almost as good then than it is
> now), the official Clemson cheerleaders chanted at one point:
>
> "Cock-a-doodle do! Cock-a-doodle-do!
> Carolina Gamecocks, to hell with you!"
>
> I was so staggered, I was speechless. If I had had my wits about me, I would have yelled,
> "Is this the Clemson cheerleaders' idea of Southern hospitality?"
>
>
> > > I suppose you are familiar with the way a big contingent of home team fans at a basketball game
> > > make all kinds of noise when a player on the opposing team is trying
> > > to make a free throw, in order to distract him/her. Keep in mind that almost
> > > all those free throws are due to personal fouls by people on the team for
> > > which they are rooting.
>
> > Good free-throw shooters shrug off the crowd noise.
> > Audience participation is part of the game.
>
> I was really surprised to see how Ron shrugged off your catcalls.
>
> That is NOT the way he behaves towards t.o. regulars.
>
>
> Concluded in next reply, hopefully tomorrow. If not, some time early next week.
>
>
> Peter Nyikos

Peter, after exercising due diligence to wring any sense
out of what you wrote, I can't find any.

I guess that's the best you can do.

On Sunday, December 10, 2023 at 1:17:05 PM UTC-5, El Kabong wrote:
> peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 9:41:58?PM UTC-5, El Kabong wrote:
> > > peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Sorry to be so long in responding to any of your posts in reply to me.
> > > > I have had very little free time in months for posting, and I tend
> > > > to reply to well-established regulars under such circumstances.
> > > >
> > > > On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 8:01:38?PM UTC-5, El Kabong wrote:
> > > > > peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Athel is being selectively nosy. There are plenty of people here who are more secretive
> > > > > > about their backgrounds than Ron Dean. For instance, jillery has not revealed her (?) real name(s),
> > > > > > place of work (if any), her (?) gender, the city in which she (?) lives, her (?) post-secondary education....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But Athel is supremely uninterested in any of these details.
> > > > > > That's because, you see, jillery is safely in the anti-ID camp. In fact, fanatically so.
> > > > > > Athel is too, but his fanaticism only becomes apparent under widely
> > > > > > scattered "Black Swan" circumstances.
> > > >
> > > > > IMO it's generally a bad idea to use your real name on
> > > > > Usenet, for obvious reasons. Some malignants take usenet
> > > > > feuds way too far.
> > > >
> > > > Your words only apply to certain kinds of people, IMO.
> >
> > Your "obvious reasons" become obscure from the way you
> > backpedaled farther down from the following comment.
> >
> > > My words only apply to the kind of people who hate being
> > > doxxed and harrassed and having hate mail sent to their
> > > employers, and other such nasty shit.
> >
> > That never happened to me in this century. The closest thing to
> > that was when someone who disappeared almost two years ago,
> > Oxyaena, announced that she was going to email a complaint
> > about me to my employer, (falsely) alleging libel about a point of
> > disagreement between me on the one hand and her and Erik Simpson
> > on the other. I immediately announced a boycott of both of them
> > for the rest of 2019 (some ten months) and she never made good
> > on her "promise."
> >
> >
> > > > If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
> > > > did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
> > > > IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
> > > > and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
> > > >
> > > > And you might even be able to see why I am the opposite,
> > > > from the way I respond to him.
> >
> > > What difference does it make where other posters work or
> > > what their real names are?
> >
> > So much for what you wrote about "having hate mail sent to their
> > employers," eh?
> >
> >
> > > It's none of my or your
> > > business. Stop being such a fuss-budget.
> >
> > When someone backpedals as blatantly as you are doing here,
> > I generally ask them, "How many reverse gears does your bicycle have?"
> >
> >
> > > > I have nothing to hide, and I am careful, every time I do
> > > > a four-line virtual .sig, to insert "-- standard disclaimer --" at the end of one of the lines.
> > > > This is the disclaimer that what I write has nothing official about
> > > > it where my employer is concerned.
> > > >
> > > > I use four-line virtual .sigs to signal that the post I have done
> > > > has science-based information or opinions in it. Some personal
> > > > comments could, however, also be part of it.
> >
> > > It wasn't clear (to me) what you meant with your standard
> > > disclaimer, but if you wish to separate your views from
> > > your employer's, why do you go out of your way to let
> > > everyone know where you work and what you do?
> >
> > Nobody in talk.origins gives a hoot about what you say next,
> > on account of this habit of mine. There are lots of experts
> > on lots of subjects here, and one of the most liked people
> > here brags about his expertise often.
> >
> >
> > >If appeal
> > > to your authority is the best scientific support you can
> > > provide for your info & opinions, maybe you can up your
> > > game a bit.
> >
> > If I don't give adequate scientific support, people are free
> > to challenge me, and I reply as best I can with more science.
> > I usually do very well, because I pick my opening comments very carefully.
> >
> > You really have a lot to learn about both me and the ways
> > of other t.o. participants.
> >
> >
> > > > > In the long run, a poster's rep will live or die by their
> > > > > competence and integrity. Readers will figure people out
> > > > > regardless of CV or other personal information.
> > > >
> > > > Here in talk.origins, a poster's *expressed* reputation has
> > > > next to nothing to do with integrity, but almost everything to do with whom that person is
> > > > at odds with and whom he is in a "see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil"
> > > > relationship.
> >
> > The following analogy seems to have mostly gone
> > over your head, especially the "overlook infractions" part.
> >
> > > >Dirty debating tactics abound, but the reaction is more
> > > > like in a sports arena where people overlook infractions by the
> > > > team for which they are rooting, but treat the opposing team with
> > > > various degrees of contempt.
> >
> > > That says more about you than you meant.
> >
> > So you ignorantly think. When I drove up to see a women's basketball at Clemson
> > when they hosted my university's team (which was almost as good then than it is
> > now), the official Clemson cheerleaders chanted at one point:
> >
> > "Cock-a-doodle do! Cock-a-doodle-do!
> > Carolina Gamecocks, to hell with you!"
> >
> > I was so staggered, I was speechless. If I had had my wits about me, I would have yelled,
> > "Is this the Clemson cheerleaders' idea of Southern hospitality?"
> >
> >
> > > > I suppose you are familiar with the way a big contingent of home team fans at a basketball game
> > > > make all kinds of noise when a player on the opposing team is trying
> > > > to make a free throw, in order to distract him/her. Keep in mind that almost
> > > > all those free throws are due to personal fouls by people on the team for
> > > > which they are rooting.
> >
> > > Good free-throw shooters shrug off the crowd noise.
> > > Audience participation is part of the game.
> >
> > I was really surprised to see how Ron shrugged off your catcalls.
> >
> > That is NOT the way he behaves towards t.o. regulars.
> >
> >
> > Concluded in next reply, hopefully tomorrow. If not, some time early next week.

I plan to do it early tomorrow, still in the first half of the week.

> >
> >
> > Peter Nyikos

> Peter, after exercising due diligence to wring any sense
> out of what you wrote, I can't find any.

The only way I can make sense of YOUR comment is via the following nonstandard definition:

"sense" = point of agreement

My comments above were perfectly intelligible English statements,
and responsive to yours. You are evidently bitten by the
MMIMU,DCMWTF bug.

"My Mind Is Made Up, Don't Confuse Me With The Facts"

> I guess that's the best you can do.

There are regulars here who are even more bitten by the
MMIMU,DCMWTF bug than you are. By last count,
there were three of them on the following thread alone:

Re: JAMES TOUR VICTORIOUS?!

Peter Nyikos

On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 7:02:03 AM UTC-5, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 14:07:25 -0800 (PST)
> erik simpson <eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:02:02 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> > > On 12/7/23 1:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:17:01 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> > > >> On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
> > > >>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56 PM UTC-5, peter2....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
> > > >>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
> > > >>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
> > > >>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>> .
> > > >>> Miss Mattie Ross
> > > >>>
> > > >> While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
> > > >> closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
> > > > Jeff Bridges. Definitely.
> > > I dunno, I saw him many years ago and he looked just like John Wayne,
> > > but when I saw him again years later, he didn't.
> > >
> > > > Tycho Brahe
> > >
> > > Definitely not Tycho Brahe. The silver nose would have been unmistakable.
> > No! No! Tycho Brahe is MY name!
> >
> I expect the whole lot of you are really called Spartacus.

That's what I would have said about the others, though in different words.

I could name about ten more Spartacuses among the talk.origins regulars.

It's too early to tell yet, but El Kabong bids fair to become the newest Spartacus.

On the other hand, I am a notorious dissenter here, and am less like the Spartacuses
than even you, who rarely stray into on-topic discussion/debate.

Peter Nyikos

On 12/13/23 6:35 AM, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 7:02:03 AM UTC-5, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 14:07:25 -0800 (PST)
>> erik simpson <eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:02:02 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/23 1:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:17:01 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56 PM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
>>>>>>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
>>>>>>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
>>>>>>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> Miss Mattie Ross
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
>>>>>> closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
>>>>> Jeff Bridges. Definitely.
>>>> I dunno, I saw him many years ago and he looked just like John Wayne,
>>>> but when I saw him again years later, he didn't.
>>>>
>>>>> Tycho Brahe
>>>>
>>>> Definitely not Tycho Brahe. The silver nose would have been unmistakable.
>>> No! No! Tycho Brahe is MY name!
>>>
>> I expect the whole lot of you are really called Spartacus.
>
> That's what I would have said about the others, though in different words.
>
> I could name about ten more Spartacuses among the talk.origins regulars.
>
> It's too early to tell yet, but El Kabong bids fair to become the newest Spartacus.
>
> On the other hand, I am a notorious dissenter here, and am less like the Spartacuses
> than even you, who rarely stray into on-topic discussion/debate.

Not just lack of a sense of humor, but possibly an actual negative sense
of humor.

This is the second and final reply to this post of yours, whoever you are.

On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 9:41:58 PM UTC-5, El Kabong wrote:
> peter2...@gmail.com wrote:

> > On Monday, November 13, 2023 at 8:01:38?PM UTC-5, El Kabong wrote:

> > > Ron chooses to bring up his background, with sometimes
> > > conflicting details, expecting cred.
> >
> > I haven't seen any examples where the things he says
> > about his *background* conflict. Can you describe one or two?

> What his degrees are, what he thinks engineering
> curriculum consists of, when he started doubting
> evolution, whether he's a believer or agnostic or
> atheist, and when he converted this way or that.

He's talked a lot about how he started doubting
evolution. What difference does the exact date make to you?

> I've never heard of an MSEE who thinks transistors have
> anodes. Have you?

I don't know that much about transistors.

> None of these things would be relevant if Ron hadn't
> brought them up himself.
>
> Ron's MO for years has been to appear on Usenet, post
> some boilerplate ID fluff from a limited range of topics,
> which is routinely debunked,

So people here allege this all the time, but I've
never seen a debunking that he repeated.

Yet you say otherwise below. Are you sure you aren't confusing
undocumented statements with debunkings? I've never seen Bill Rogers
say anything except blatant assertions that this or that comment has
already been debunked.

> tho he won't retract anything. Then he disappears, then reappears with the
> same debunked arguments. He is easily recognized under
> any nym.
>
> There's nothing wrong with nymshifting (except to avoid
> killfiles). When new nyms come with shifting personal
> stories, it points to deception and dishonesty.

You keep making blatant assertions without even describing
any of them. Can you break yourself of this habit?

> > > If his stories don't add up, that in itself is fair game. Ron has
> > > posted under many other nyms, tho not recently, and which
> > > he has denied.
> >
> > I asked him about this, and he named four rather
> > simple variations on his name. Even though I hadn't
> > heard it from him, I could see clearly that "R.Dean" and "Ron Dean"
> > were the same person years ago.

> Ron has posted elsewhere under many more than 4 nyms.

So you allege, yet you name no other nyms nor places.

> When confronted with that, he claimed some of the names
> were those of relatives and denied ever using others. I
> doubt that he remembers them all.
> > > Another poster compiled a list of those
> > > alleged nyms, and it was long.
> >
> > In talk.origins?
> No, AFAIK.

> <...>

Why the deletion?
Are you afraid to talk about where else he has posted?

> > > Beyond that, I don't know or care about anyone's real
> > > identity. I do wonder about Ron's motivation.
> >
> > Why focus so much on Ron? Is it because you have learned
> > he is someone who can be safely attacked without
> > any serious repercussions?

You duck the question and change the subject:

> Does deliberate disinformation and misinformation not
> bother you?

I am probably notorious for the way I fight against such things,
even when they are directed against adversaries of mine.

What about you? Do you only care about such things
when it is you or your pals who are targeted?

>Do you think good men must keep their
> silence in the face of obvious bullshit?

Absolutely not, but you have yet to document a single example from Ron.

I could document innumerable examples from regulars here, but you seem to be obsessed
with Ron and Ron only, so I won't waste your time with them.

By the way, I don't think the expression "good men" applies to you.

Peter Nyikos

On 13/12/2023 14:35, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 7:02:03 AM UTC-5, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 14:07:25 -0800 (PST)
>> erik simpson <eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:02:02 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
>>>> On 12/7/23 1:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:17:01 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56 PM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
>>>>>>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
>>>>>>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
>>>>>>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>> Miss Mattie Ross
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
>>>>>> closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
>>>>> Jeff Bridges. Definitely.
>>>> I dunno, I saw him many years ago and he looked just like John Wayne,
>>>> but when I saw him again years later, he didn't.
>>>>
>>>>> Tycho Brahe
>>>>
>>>> Definitely not Tycho Brahe. The silver nose would have been unmistakable.
>>> No! No! Tycho Brahe is MY name!
>>>
>> I expect the whole lot of you are really called Spartacus.
>
> That's what I would have said about the others, though in different words.
>
> I could name about ten more Spartacuses among the talk.origins regulars.
>
> It's too early to tell yet, but El Kabong bids fair to become the newest Spartacus.
>
> On the other hand, I am a notorious dissenter here, and am less like the Spartacuses
> than even you, who rarely stray into on-topic discussion/debate.

And I thought that I was bad with cultural references. You appear to be
saying (admitting) that you're not on the side of the oppressed and
downtrodden. (Can we call you Crassus?)

>
>
> Peter Nyikos
>

--
alias Ernest Major

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 10:17:08 AM UTC-5, John Harshman wrote:
> On 12/13/23 6:35 AM, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 7:02:03 AM UTC-5, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 14:07:25 -0800 (PST)
> >> erik simpson <eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:02:02 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>> On 12/7/23 1:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:17:01 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>>>> On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56 PM UTC-5, peter2....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
> >>>>>>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
> >>>>>>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
> >>>>>>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>> Miss Mattie Ross
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
> >>>>>> closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
> >>>>> Jeff Bridges. Definitely.
> >>>> I dunno, I saw him many years ago and he looked just like John Wayne,
> >>>> but when I saw him again years later, he didn't.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Tycho Brahe
> >>>>
> >>>> Definitely not Tycho Brahe. The silver nose would have been unmistakable.
> >>> No! No! Tycho Brahe is MY name!
> >>>
> >> I expect the whole lot of you are really called Spartacus.
> >
> > That's what I would have said about the others, though in different words.
> >
> > I could name about ten more Spartacuses among the talk.origins regulars..
> >
> > It's too early to tell yet, but El Kabong bids fair to become the newest Spartacus.
> >
> > On the other hand, I am a notorious dissenter here, and am less like the Spartacuses
> > than even you, who rarely stray into on-topic discussion/debate.
..
> Not just lack of a sense of humor, but possibly an actual negative sense
> of humor.
, Now now, his alter-ego loves a good polka as much as the next man.

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> This is the second and final reply to this post of yours, whoever you are..
> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 9:41:58 PM UTC-5, El Kabong wrote:

I think he might really be Pete Townsend.

Lawyer Daggett <j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
>> This is the second and final reply to this post of yours, whoever you are.
>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 9:41:58 PM UTC-5, El Kabong wrote:
>
> I think he might really be Pete Townsend.
>
Who?

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 2:07:08 PM UTC-5, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> Lawyer Daggett <j.nobel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> This is the second and final reply to this post of yours, whoever you are.
> >> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 9:41:58 PM UTC-5, El Kabong wrote:
> >
> > I think he might really be Pete Townsend.
> >
> Who?
..
Won't get fooled again

Lawyer Daggett <j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 2:07:08 PM UTC-5, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>> Lawyer Daggett <j.nobel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 10:32:08 AM UTC-5, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> This is the second and final reply to this post of yours, whoever you are.
>>>> On Sunday, December 3, 2023 at 9:41:58 PM UTC-5, El Kabong wrote:
>>>
>>> I think he might really be Pete Townsend.
>>>
>> Who?
> .
> Won't get fooled again
>
How do you think he does it? I don't know!
What makes him so good?
I spit out like a sewer hole
Mama's got a squeeze box
Yet still receive your kiss
Daddy never sleeps at night
It's an eminence front, it's a put on

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 12:07:08 PM UTC-5, Ernest Major wrote:
> On 13/12/2023 14:35, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, December 8, 2023 at 7:02:03 AM UTC-5, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >> On Thu, 7 Dec 2023 14:07:25 -0800 (PST)
> >> erik simpson <eastsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 2:02:02 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>> On 12/7/23 1:33 PM, erik simpson wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 1:17:01 PM UTC-8, John Harshman wrote:
> >>>>>> On 12/7/23 1:00 PM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Friday, December 1, 2023 at 10:01:56 PM UTC-5, peter2....@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> If you look carefully at the last six posts which "Lawyer Daggett" and I
> >>>>>>>> did in reply to each other on this long-running thread,
> >>>>>>>> IMO you will see why he uses a pseudonym
> >>>>>>>> and fails to give any clues about his employer's identity.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>> Miss Mattie Ross
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> While I have you here, since you've met him, does Rooster Cogburn more
> >>>>>> closely resemble John Wayne or Jeff Bridges? Opinions differ.
> >>>>> Jeff Bridges. Definitely.
> >>>> I dunno, I saw him many years ago and he looked just like John Wayne,
> >>>> but when I saw him again years later, he didn't.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Tycho Brahe
> >>>>
> >>>> Definitely not Tycho Brahe. The silver nose would have been unmistakable.
> >>> No! No! Tycho Brahe is MY name!
> >>>
> >> I expect the whole lot of you are really called Spartacus.
> >
> > That's what I would have said about the others, though in different words.
> >
> > I could name about ten more Spartacuses among the talk.origins regulars..
> >
> > It's too early to tell yet, but El Kabong bids fair to become the newest Spartacus.
> >
> > On the other hand, I am a notorious dissenter here, and am less like the Spartacuses
> > than even you, who rarely stray into on-topic discussion/debate.

This was not meant to be taken as literally as you are taking it, Ernest.

> And I thought that I was bad with cultural references. You appear to be
> saying (admitting) that you're not on the side of the oppressed and
> downtrodden.

No, that is the one aspect of the Spartacuses that was tongue in cheek.

They love to *pretend* that I am trying to oppress them, by frequently remarking
that I am very rude and even playing "good cop" occasionally by speculating
that I am much nicer in real life.

Fact is, my "rudeness" consists of calling them out for deceitfulness, hypocrisy, and cowardice.
One of them has made a habit of referring to all criticism by me,
no matter how valid, as "insults" while referring to unsupportable insults
by himself as "observations."

> (Can we call you Crassus?)

That would be unjust. And I doubt that the Spartacuses would be so crass
as to adopt that nickname. For all their faults, they are "intellectuals"
in the sense that the leftist and left-leaning press uses.

> > Peter Nyikos
> >
>
> --
> alias Ernest Major

I like the way you put "alias" in front of your moniker. Would that all
people not posting under their real names were that way.

I also like the moniker itself, inspired by the real-life Ernst Mayr.
You are a very good source of biological information and understanding.

Peter Nyikos

PS Despite your use of "Can we," I have too little evidence to include
you among the Spartacuses, but if you don't want to feel left out,
I can refer to you as a Spartakus [note spelling]. Just give the word.

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 22:30:44 -0400, Ron Dean
<rondean-noreply@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ernest Major wrote:
>> Another bit of evidence is the near universality of the genetic code and
>> the nature and phylogenetic distribution of the divergences.
> >
>I'm sure you realize, this could be seen as evidence of a common designer.

Elsetopic you deny that you repeatedly deny the existence of
transitional forms. To refresh your convenient amnesia of yet another
PRATT you repeat regularly, I now reply to the above.

Yes, your claim above can, has been, and is claimed as evidence of a
common designer, by yourself and other cdesign proponentsists. What
you conveniently ignore is that's what makes it a Point Refuted A
Thousand Times.

While a purposeful designer might reasonably duplicate functional
similarities, there is no reasonable purpose for a purposeful designer
to duplicate differences. That's what makes *near* universality a
point you can't reasonably ignore.

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genetic_codes>

Even a casual scan of the above cited article identifies differences
in genetic codes within lineages. The standard explanation for that
is random mutations appear and get passed on via common descent. It's
possible that a purposeful designer might copy these changes in order
to make it appear to be common descent. But that would make his
purpose one of unreasonable deceit and deception.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge