Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such- time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are still here now. Live long and prosper.

chris thompson <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote:
> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>
I hadn’t seen you post in a while. Had to jog my memory, but recalled you
had been affected by Superstorm Sandy a decade ago.

chris thompson <chris.linthompson@gmail.com> wrote:

> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
> still here now.

You were first seen here 13.3 years ago, last seen here 27 Nov 2020.
[an archive does have its uses]

Yes, Life goes too fast.

> Live long and prosper.

Thanks, and do likewise for yourself,

Jan

On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
<chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:

>Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such- time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are still here now. Live long and prosper.
>
FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
Geeks or similar?
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>
>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>
> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
> Geeks or similar?
>
Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
<ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>:

>Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>
>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>> Geeks or similar?
>>
>Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>
Could be. The only times I ever used GurgleGropes was when
Beagle was apparently down, and I wanted a "second opinion"
to make sure the problem wasn't at my end (or with ES).
Although in each case I was able to get the info I wanted
(the date/time of the last post in t.o to show up) I was
*not* impressed.
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
<ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

>Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>
>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>> Geeks or similar?
>>
>Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.

There's no "if" about it:
*****************************
On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
<brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:

>I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
******************************

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 14:35:23 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
wrote:

>On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, the following appeared
>in talk.origins, posted by *Hemidactylus*
><ecphoric@allspamis.invalid>:
>
>>Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>>
>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>>> Geeks or similar?
>>>
>>Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>
>Could be. The only times I ever used GurgleGropes was when
>Beagle was apparently down, and I wanted a "second opinion"
>to make sure the problem wasn't at my end (or with ES).
>Although in each case I was able to get the info I wanted
>(the date/time of the last post in t.o to show up) I was
>*not* impressed.

Not unlike myself who only uses Google Groups as an occasional last
resort. I've found some limitations in it but criticisms of it mostly
seem to come from those who never use it (yet have no qualms about
criticising it) or, like you and me, only use it infrequently and
never really completed the learning curve.

I also think that those who are critical of how Google handled things
after their takeover of Deja News forget that there was no queue of
other people wanting to take it over and, if Google had not taken it
over, the Deja News archive would simply have disappeared into the
ether. I suspect that without Google Groups, Usenet would have become
even more of a wasteland than it already is and that the withdrawal of
GG will simply accelerate the decline.

>>

jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>
> >Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
> >> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
> >> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
> >>
> >>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
> >>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
> >>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
> >>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
> >>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
> >>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
> >>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
> >>>
> >> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
> >> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
> >> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
> >> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
> >> Geeks or similar?
> >>
> >Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>
>
> There's no "if" about it:
> *****************************
> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
> ******************************

In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
only the fnordic people excepted.
It was an experiment that didn't last,

Jan

On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
Lodder) wrote:

>jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>> >> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>> >> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>> >>
>> >>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>> >>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>> >>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>> >>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>> >>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>> >>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>> >>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>> >>>
>> >> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>> >> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>> >> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>> >> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>> >> Geeks or similar?
>> >>
>> >Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>
>>
>> There's no "if" about it:
>> *****************************
>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
>> ******************************
>
>In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
>only the fnordic people excepted.
>It was an experiment that didn't last,
>
>Jan

Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
and fixed their search engine.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> Lodder) wrote:
>
>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>>>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>>>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>>>>
>>>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>>>>> Geeks or similar?
>>>>>
>>>> Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>>
>>>
>>> There's no "if" about it:
>>> *****************************
>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
>>> ******************************
>>
>> In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
>> only the fnordic people excepted.
>> It was an experiment that didn't last,
>>
>> Jan
>
>
> Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
> and fixed their search engine.

Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
The problem was that they fractured into
dozens of branches in Google Groups,
so ignoring that was more like hard work.

Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>> Lodder) wrote:
>>
>>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>>>>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>>>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>>>>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>>>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>>>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>>>>>> Geeks or similar?
>>>>>>
>>>>> Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There's no "if" about it:
>>>> *****************************
>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>>>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
>>>> ******************************
>>>
>>> In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
>>> only the fnordic people excepted.
>>> It was an experiment that didn't last,
>>>
>>> Jan
>>
>>
>> Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
>> and fixed their search engine.
>
> Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
> have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
> The problem was that they fractured into
> dozens of branches in Google Groups,
> so ignoring that was more like hard work.
>
Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.

On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>
>>>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>>>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>>>>>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>>>>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>>>>>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>>>>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>>>>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There's no "if" about it:
>>>>> *****************************
>>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>>>>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
>>>>> ******************************
>>>>
>>>> In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
>>>> only the fnordic people excepted.
>>>> It was an experiment that didn't last,
>>>>
>>>> Jan
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
>>> and fixed their search engine.
>>
>> Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
>> have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
>> The problem was that they fractured into
>> dozens of branches in Google Groups,
>> so ignoring that was more like hard work.
>>
> Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.
>
DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.

On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
<eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>>>>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>>>>>>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>>>>>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>>>>>>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>>>>>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>>>>>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's no "if" about it:
>>>>>> *****************************
>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>>>>>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>
>>>>> In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
>>>>> only the fnordic people excepted.
>>>>> It was an experiment that didn't last,
>>>>>
>>>>> Jan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
>>>> and fixed their search engine.
>>>
>>> Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
>>> have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
>>> The problem was that they fractured into
>>> dozens of branches in Google Groups,
>>> so ignoring that was more like hard work.
>>>
>> Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.
>>
>DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.

DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts.
Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no
good excuse.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>>>>>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>>>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>>>>>>>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>>>>>>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>>>>>>>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>>>>>>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>>>>>>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's no "if" about it:
>>>>>>> *****************************
>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>>>>>>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
>>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
>>>>>> only the fnordic people excepted.
>>>>>> It was an experiment that didn't last,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
>>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
>>>>> and fixed their search engine.
>>>>
>>>> Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
>>>> have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
>>>> The problem was that they fractured into
>>>> dozens of branches in Google Groups,
>>>> so ignoring that was more like hard work.
>>>>
>>> Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.
>>>
>> DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.
>
>
> DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
> Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts.
> Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no
> good excuse.
>
> --
> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
>
I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.

On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
<eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>>>>>>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>>>>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>>>>>>>>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>>>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>>>>>>>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>>>>>>>>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>>>>>>>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>>>>>>>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>>>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>>>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>>>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>>>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There's no "if" about it:
>>>>>>>> *****************************
>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>>>>>>>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
>>>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
>>>>>>> only the fnordic people excepted.
>>>>>>> It was an experiment that didn't last,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
>>>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
>>>>>> and fixed their search engine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
>>>>> have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
>>>>> The problem was that they fractured into
>>>>> dozens of branches in Google Groups,
>>>>> so ignoring that was more like hard work.
>>>>>
>>>> Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.
>>>>
>>> DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.
>>
>>
>> DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
>> Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts.
>> Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no
>> good excuse.
>>
>> --
>> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
>>
>I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
>assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.

DIG?

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

erik simpson <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
> > On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
> > <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
> >>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
> >>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
> >>>>> Lodder) wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
> >>>>>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
> >>>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
> >>>>>>>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
> >>>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
> >>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time
> >>>>>>>>>> ago. I am still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal
> >>>>>>>>>> September or some such- time will tell. However should I not
> >>>>>>>>>> reappear, rest assured I generally had a great time here on
> >>>>>>>>>> t.o. and it was because of many of you who are still here now.
> >>>>>>>>>> Live long and prosper.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
> >>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
> >>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
> >>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
> >>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There's no "if" about it:
> >>>>>>> *****************************
> >>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
> >>>>>>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when i
t does.
> >>>>>>> ******************************
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
> >>>>>> only the fnordic people excepted.
> >>>>>> It was an experiment that didn't last,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jan
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
> >>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
> >>>>> and fixed their search engine.
> >>>>
> >>>> Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
> >>>> have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
> >>>> The problem was that they fractured into
> >>>> dozens of branches in Google Groups,
> >>>> so ignoring that was more like hard work.
> >>>>
> >>> Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.
> >>>
> >> DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.
> >
> >
> > DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
> > Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts.
> > Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no
> > good excuse.
> >
> > --
> > To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
> >
> I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
> assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.

'Nominal', only for some very small values of 'absolute',

Jan

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

>On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
><eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
>>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>>>>>>>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>>>>>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>>>>>>>>>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>>>>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>>>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>>>>>>>>>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>>>>>>>>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>>>>>>>>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>>>>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>>>>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's no "if" about it:
>>>>>>>>> *****************************
>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>>>>>>>>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
>>>>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
>>>>>>>> only the fnordic people excepted.
>>>>>>>> It was an experiment that didn't last,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
>>>>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
>>>>>>> and fixed their search engine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
>>>>>> have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
>>>>>> The problem was that they fractured into
>>>>>> dozens of branches in Google Groups,
>>>>>> so ignoring that was more like hard work.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.
>>>>>
>>>> DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.
>>>
>>>
>>> DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
>>> Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts.
>>> Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no
>>> good excuse.
>>>
>>> --
>>> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
>>>
>>I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
>>assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.
>
>
>DIG?
>
David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
the Moderator).
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

On 2024-02-18 3:13 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
> in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:
>
>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
>>>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>>>>>>>>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>>>>>>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>>>>>>>>>>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>>>>>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's no "if" about it:
>>>>>>>>>> *****************************
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
>>>>>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
>>>>>>>>> only the fnordic people excepted.
>>>>>>>>> It was an experiment that didn't last,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
>>>>>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
>>>>>>>> and fixed their search engine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
>>>>>>> have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
>>>>>>> The problem was that they fractured into
>>>>>>> dozens of branches in Google Groups,
>>>>>>> so ignoring that was more like hard work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.
>>>>>>
>>>>> DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
>>>> Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts.
>>>> Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no
>>>> good excuse.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
>>>>
>>> I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
>>> assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.
>>
>>
>> DIG?
>>
> David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
> the Moderator).
>>
Creator (Peace Be Upon Him)
--
--
Don Cates ("he's a cunning rascal" PN)

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 16:16:28 -0600, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by DB Cates <cates_db@hotmail.com>:

>On 2024-02-18 3:13 PM, Bob Casanova wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
>>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
>>>>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>>>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>>>>>>>>>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's no "if" about it:
>>>>>>>>>>> *****************************
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
>>>>>>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
>>>>>>>>>> only the fnordic people excepted.
>>>>>>>>>> It was an experiment that didn't last,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
>>>>>>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
>>>>>>>>> and fixed their search engine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
>>>>>>>> have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
>>>>>>>> The problem was that they fractured into
>>>>>>>> dozens of branches in Google Groups,
>>>>>>>> so ignoring that was more like hard work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
>>>>> Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts.
>>>>> Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no
>>>>> good excuse.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
>>>>>
>>>> I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
>>>> assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.
>>>
>>>
>>> DIG?
>>>
>> David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
>> the Moderator).
>>>
>Creator (Peace Be Upon Him)
>
High Priest of the Moderation Flame of the Prophet Beagle.
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:13:56 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
>in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:
>
>>On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
>><eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
>>>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>>>>>>>>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>>>>>>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>>>>>>>>>>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>>>>>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>>>>>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's no "if" about it:
>>>>>>>>>> *****************************
>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
>>>>>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
>>>>>>>>> only the fnordic people excepted.
>>>>>>>>> It was an experiment that didn't last,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
>>>>>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
>>>>>>>> and fixed their search engine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
>>>>>>> have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
>>>>>>> The problem was that they fractured into
>>>>>>> dozens of branches in Google Groups,
>>>>>>> so ignoring that was more like hard work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.
>>>>>>
>>>>> DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
>>>> Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts.
>>>> Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no
>>>> good excuse.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
>>>>
>>>I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
>>>assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.
>>
>>
>>DIG?
>>
>David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
>the Moderator).

I presume even you understand my question isn't who is DIG, but how
Erik's reference to DIG informs the discussion.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 23:23:18 -0500, the following appeared
in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:

>On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:13:56 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
>wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
>>in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:
>>
>>>On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
>>><eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
>>>>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>>>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>>>>>>>>>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There's no "if" about it:
>>>>>>>>>>> *****************************
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
>>>>>>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
>>>>>>>>>> only the fnordic people excepted.
>>>>>>>>>> It was an experiment that didn't last,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
>>>>>>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
>>>>>>>>> and fixed their search engine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
>>>>>>>> have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
>>>>>>>> The problem was that they fractured into
>>>>>>>> dozens of branches in Google Groups,
>>>>>>>> so ignoring that was more like hard work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
>>>>> Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts.
>>>>> Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no
>>>>> good excuse.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
>>>>>
>>>>I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
>>>>assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.
>>>
>>>
>>>DIG?
>>>
>>David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
>>the Moderator).
>
>
>I presume even you understand my question isn't who is DIG, but how
>Erik's reference to DIG informs the discussion.
>
Since your question was ambiguous I understood no such
thing; you could have suffered a memory lapse. Now that
you've clarified I'll ignore further comments.
>
--

Bob C.

"The most exciting phrase to hear in science,
the one that heralds new discoveries, is not
'Eureka!' but 'That's funny...'"

- Isaac Asimov

On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 22:56:10 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
wrote:

>On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 23:23:18 -0500, the following appeared
>in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:
>
>>On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:13:56 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
>>>in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>>On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
>>>><eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On 2/17/24 3:36 AM, jillery wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Feb 2024 08:52:52 -0800, erik simpson
>>>>>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2/16/24 7:56 AM, *Hemidactylus* wrote:
>>>>>>>> Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 16/02/2024 06:44, jillery wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2024 13:55:11 +0100, nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J.
>>>>>>>>>> Lodder) wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Feb 2024 19:14:12 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>>>>>>>>>>>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2024 17:30:46 -0800 (PST), the following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appeared in talk.origins, posted by chris thompson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <chris.linthompson@gmail.com>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Having morphed into a lurker for at least a year now, I was a tad
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> distressed at Google ending their admittedly piss-poor Usenet
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> participation. My ISP dropped Usenet access quite some time ago. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still toying with the idea of picking up Eternal September or some such-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time will tell. However should I not reappear, rest assured I generally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had a great time here on t.o. and it was because of many of you who are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> still here now. Live long and prosper.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> FWIW, ES works fairly well most of the time. Not as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Supernews (my prior service), but it's free. And there are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plenty of free newsreaders; I used Free Agent a couple of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> decades ago; dunno if it's still available. Maybe via Major
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Geeks or similar?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Weening off GG may be too much an ask for some.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There's no "if" about it:
>>>>>>>>>>>> *****************************
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 28 Jan 2024 12:09:30 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I used GG for 25+ years and never had a problem. I'll fade out when it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>> ******************************
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In the olden days DIG used to block Gurgle altogether,
>>>>>>>>>>> only the fnordic people excepted.
>>>>>>>>>>> It was an experiment that didn't last,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Jan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Apparently broger never had a problem when GG spectacularly corrupted
>>>>>>>>>> topics when they went over 1000 posts, and ironically repeatedly broke
>>>>>>>>>> and fixed their search engine.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Threads exceeding 1000 articles probably
>>>>>>>>> have ceased saying anything worthwhile.
>>>>>>>>> The problem was that they fractured into
>>>>>>>>> dozens of branches in Google Groups,
>>>>>>>>> so ignoring that was more like hard work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Many of those were due to the magnetic allure of DrDr.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> DrDr's eventual banishment took way too long.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DrDr eventual banishment doesn't inform GG's dismal performance.
>>>>>> Neither does the perceived worthiness of threads exceeding 1000 posts.
>>>>>> Other news servers had no problem handling these threads. GG had no
>>>>>> good excuse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge
>>>>>>
>>>>>I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
>>>>>assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>DIG?
>>>>
>>>David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
>>>the Moderator).
>>
>>
>>I presume even you understand my question isn't who is DIG, but how
>>Erik's reference to DIG informs the discussion.
>>
>Since your question was ambiguous I understood no such
>thing; you could have suffered a memory lapse. Now that
>you've clarified I'll ignore further comments.

So I presumed incorrectly. Sue me.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

On 19/02/2024 04:23, jillery wrote:
> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:13:56 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
>> in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
>>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
>>>> assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.
>>>
>>>
>>> DIG?
>>>
>> David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
>> the Moderator).
>
>
> I presume even you understand my question isn't who is DIG, but how
> Erik's reference to DIG informs the discussion.

DIG rarely uses the power to exclude people
from talk.origins. People are here because
DIG allows them to be.

On Wed, 21 Feb 2024 23:13:24 +0000, Robert Carnegie
<rja.carnegie@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 19/02/2024 04:23, jillery wrote:
>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 14:13:56 -0700, Bob Casanova <nospam@buzz.off>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 18 Feb 2024 02:07:44 -0500, the following appeared
>>> in talk.origins, posted by jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 17 Feb 2024 08:24:42 -0800, erik simpson
>>>> <eastside.erik@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've no idea what DIG uses to read TO, or if he's doing so now. I
>>>>> assume he will still be the nominal "boss" if he so chooses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> DIG?
>>>>
>>> David Ian Greig, the t.o moderator (actually, the Keeper of
>>> the Moderator).
>>
>>
>> I presume even you understand my question isn't who is DIG, but how
>> Erik's reference to DIG informs the discussion.
>
>DIG rarely uses the power to exclude people
>from talk.origins. People are here because
>DIG allows them to be.

Is that supposed to answer my question?

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To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge