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 by: erik simpson - Sat, 9 Mar 2024 04:48 UTC

On 3/8/24 7:48 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
> John Harshman wrote:
>> On 3/6/24 2:13 PM, Mark Isaak wrote:
>>> On 3/5/24 10:19 AM, Ron Dean wrote:
>>>> Mark Isaak wrote:
>>>>> On 3/3/24 5:03 PM, Ron Dean wrote:
>>>>>>  > [...]
>>>>>> Evidence for design in nature is overwhelming. If it looks to be
>>>>>> designed then it is designed. But if you trust evolutionist, what
>>>>>> appears to be design is just an illusion, a chimera or a mirage,
>>>>>> if so then it's a deliberate and willful deception by God. . David
>>>>>
>>>>> What Ron neglects in his analysis is, first, that evolution is a
>>>>> designer -- not as efficient as human designers, but a designer
>>>>> nonetheless; and second, that where humans and evolution differ
>>>>> regarding their being designers, life unquestionably looks like it
>>>>> is not the result of intelligent design.
>>>>  >
>>>> In a mindless, purposeless, careless godless universe what it that
>>>> seems to be concerned or care about anything before complex living
>>>> things such as caring humans?
>>>
>>> People.
>>>
>> People who need people?
>>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but are people not complex living things? In
> this context I was thinking even before the first multi-cellular
> organisms. That is in the careless, mindless, purposeless, godless and
> blind planet, What in such a world where DNA copying happened, copy
> errors, omissions, breaks etc occurred what "cared" whether or not
> fidelity was adhered to? What was there for early DNA to have DNA
> proofreading and repair mechanisms come about? The fact that DNA has at
> least 5 proofreading and repair mechanisms for itself, for me this
> strongly indicates purposeful design, thus a purposeful and deliberate
> designer. Of course, this I see as positive evidence for a mind, a
> purposeful intelligent forward thinking planning designer, but I admit
> that I have no right; or any responsibility; or any obligation to
> convince anyone of this. Everyone is entitled to make decisions and
> decide what's real for himself/herself!
>
Can't you see that earliest prokayotes that had repair mechanisms are
going to be more likely to propagate that those that don't?


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