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 by: jillery - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 16:51 UTC

Milo Rossi aka Miniminuteman provides a 38-minute review how
pseudoscience pipelines turn into anti-intellectual rabbit holes that
lead to religious cults, hate groups and social instability:

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc2psN0PFTk>

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 by: JTEM - Mon, 15 Apr 2024 19:05 UTC

jillery wrote:
> Milo Rossi aka Miniminuteman provides a 38-minute review how
> pseudoscience pipelines turn into anti-intellectual rabbit holes that
> lead to religious cults, hate groups and social instability:
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc2psN0PFTk>

You're not a professional. You're not an authority. You are
literally "Arguing" that you need to shut your goddamn pie
hole. You do.

Nope. What you /Really/ mean is that the people who don't
walk in step with you need to be silenced...

"Ancient Apocalypse" has been debunked more often than another
famous Netflix Mockumentary: Cleopatra.

His introduction of cults & hate groups is a red flag.

He's educated. He knows what he is doing. He's associating
people he doesn't like with some VERY bad things.

He's soliciting, even provoking an emotional reaction from
the viewer.

He's manipulating people!

Literally.

Again, he's educated. He knows what he is doing.

"I want to believe."

That's just nonsense.

As I've always pointed out: The best skeptics, the only
real skeptics want it to be true! The rest are mindless
naysayers. BECAUSE you have to want it to be true in order
to bother. To investigate.

People are not machines. Ultimately we are motivated by
our emotions. We LIKE certain subjects. We LIKE them. And
there's other subjects which we lack any emotional appeal
for.

This is why we needed science in the first place!

Science exist to eliminate the human element.

"Skeptic" describes a person: The human element.

To pretend that skeptics don't WANT something to be true or
not is to deny humanity.

SCIENCE IS A RECOGNITION OF THE HUMAN ELEMENT!

It is literally a response to the human element. BECAUSE we
are humans, BECAUSE we have biases, emotions we need a
process specifically created to remove all that.

If SCIENCE can recognize the goddamn obvious, if SCIENCE
exist for the very reason that there is the human element,
why the fuck would anyone advocate any solution that denies
this?

People suck. Even if they have a degree in a subject. They're
still people. They're still flawed. They're still biased.
They still respond to the world with emotions.

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 by: *Hemidactylus* - Tue, 16 Apr 2024 01:01 UTC

JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
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> some VERY bad things.
>
> He's soliciting, even provoking an emotional reaction from
> the viewer.
>
> He's manipulating people!
>
> Literally.
>
Yep

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 by: jillery - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 03:48 UTC

On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 01:01:22 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
<ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

>JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> some VERY bad things.
>>
>> He's soliciting, even provoking an emotional reaction from
>> the viewer.
>>
>> He's manipulating people!
>>
>> Literally.
>>
>Yep

JTEM presents himself as a type specimen of what the video describes.
I'm surprised that doesn't give you pause, but I'm glad to give you
two something to agree about.

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 by: jillery - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 03:48 UTC

On Mon, 15 Apr 2024 15:05:00 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

> jillery wrote:
>> Milo Rossi aka Miniminuteman provides a 38-minute review how
>> pseudoscience pipelines turn into anti-intellectual rabbit holes that
>> lead to religious cults, hate groups and social instability:
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pc2psN0PFTk>
>
>You're not a professional. You're not an authority. You are
>literally "Arguing" that you need to shut your goddamn pie
>hole. You do.

Thank you for your unprofessional and unauthoritative opinion. Feel
free to show everybody how to shut your goddamn pie hole.

--
To know less than we don't know is the nature of most knowledge

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 by: JTEM - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 20:02 UTC

jillery wrote:

> JTEM presents himself as

Hey; retard! It's about the video. The guy is
educated. He knows what he's doing. He introduced
unrelated things in order to invent an association.
He's not the first. He's not even particularly
good at it but it is what he did.

He's manipulating his viewers. intentionally.

--
https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5

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 by: JTEM - Wed, 17 Apr 2024 20:03 UTC

jillery wrote:

> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:

>> You're not a professional. You're not an authority. You are
>> literally "Arguing" that you need to shut your goddamn pie
>> hole. You do.

> Thank you

You're welcome. Now borrow some consistency and figure out
why you're a goddamn hypocrite.

Because you're not a professional. You're not an authority.

You're not even sane!

--
https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5

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 by: jillery - Thu, 18 Apr 2024 04:08 UTC

On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 16:03:54 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> trolled:

>Because you're not a professional. You're not an authority.

I neither suggest nor imply I am. To the contrary, I explicitly and
regularly state I claim no particular technical expertise. Unlike
you, I cite those who do as evidence to support my points. You should
try it, if only for the novelty of the experience.

--
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 by: JTEM - Thu, 18 Apr 2024 05:08 UTC

jillery wrote:

> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> trolled:
>
>
>> Because you're not a professional. You're not an authority.

> I neither suggest nor imply I am.

If you're going to advocate the silencing of anyone who has
never been indoctrinated, start with yourself.

> Unlike
> you, I cite those who do as evidence to support my points.

https://groups.google.com/g/talk.origins/c/Aldz7tj5myg/m/zUOUPLKhAAAJ

Actually, you regularly ignore cites and you never even
read your own. You focus laser like on conclusions.

If the collective wasn't mentally retarded, it would understand
how it could cite a paper that concludes [A] in support of the
opposite of [A]. Because "Conclusions" are just opinions, and
they are often wrong. But the paper, if it's legitimate, will
establish facts and those facts can and usually are consistent
with other conclusions.

A fact established in one paper can be used to support or
falsify a claim regarding a totally separate topic!

Speaking rhetorically. You can't even acknowledge cites if they
conflict with your idiotic agenda.

--
https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5

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 by: jillery - Thu, 18 Apr 2024 10:59 UTC

On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 01:08:43 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> posted yet
another self-parody:

>If you're going to advocate the silencing of anyone who has
>never been indoctrinated, start with yourself.

You first.

--
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 by: JTEM - Thu, 18 Apr 2024 12:43 UTC

jillery wrote:

[...]

Yes, you did need to remind the world that you are not just
mentally ill but arguably retarded.

--
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 by: Zen Cycle - Tue, 23 Apr 2024 12:57 UTC

On 4/18/2024 6:59 AM, jillery wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Apr 2024 01:08:43 -0400, JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> posted yet
> another self-parody:
>
>
>> If you're going to advocate the silencing of anyone who has
>> never been indoctrinated, start with yourself.

The irony of jtem implying he hasn't been indoctrinated.....

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 by: *Hemidactylus* - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 13:41 UTC

jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 01:01:22 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>
>> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> some VERY bad things.
>>>
>>> He's soliciting, even provoking an emotional reaction from
>>> the viewer.
>>>
>>> He's manipulating people!
>>>
>>> Literally.
>>>
>> Yep
>
>
> JTEM presents himself as a type specimen of what the video describes.
> I'm surprised that doesn't give you pause, but I'm glad to give you
> two something to agree about.
>
I snipped to make it “JTEM wrote some VERY bad things…” as this pretty much
encapsulates his obnoxious posting career here. You go and make it about
you…again. Weird.

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From: me...@yahoo.com (Athel Cornish-Bowden)
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Subject: Re: The dangers of [p]seudoscience
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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 15:49 UTC

On 2024-04-24 13:41:17 +0000, *Hemidactylus* said:

> jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 01:01:22 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> some VERY bad things.
>>>>
>>>> He's soliciting, even provoking an emotional reaction from
>>>> the viewer.
>>>>
>>>> He's manipulating people!
>>>>
>>>> Literally.
>>>>
>>> Yep
>>
>>
>> JTEM presents himself as a type specimen of what the video describes.
>> I'm surprised that doesn't give you pause, but I'm glad to give you
>> two something to agree about.
>>
> I snipped to make it “JTEM wrote some VERY bad things…” as this pretty much
> encapsulates his obnoxious posting career here. You go and make it about
> you…again.

Donald Trump does that too, I understand.

> Weird.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

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 by: JTEM - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 19:14 UTC

*Hemidactylus* wrote:

> I snipped to make it “JTEM wrote some VERY bad things…” as this pretty much

The collective certainly DOES have a JTEM obsession...

But to prove me point (which has already been proven):

The video is shit. The guy is young, handsome, intelligent
and well educated. He knows what he's doing. He's associating
things that don't actually belong together, things that he
appears to readily admit don't obviously belong together.

It's not an accident.

He's manipulating people.

That's the difference between someone like a JTEM and you
highly disordered Narcissistic Personality Disorders: When
I can see it, I assume others can. When you can see it, you
assume that it makes you God, and in the vastly more common
example where you can't see it, you always assume that it
can't exit.

He's building associations in his video that simply do not
belong, associations that demonize the people he is opposed
to.

--
https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5

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Subject: Re: The dangers of [p]seudoscience
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 by: JTEM - Wed, 24 Apr 2024 19:29 UTC

Zen Cycle wrote:

>> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> posted yet

>>> If you're going to advocate the silencing of anyone who has
>>> never been indoctrinated, start with yourself.

> The irony of

Irony? What caused that warped excuse for a brain to pretend
it saw "Irony?"

Where did I advocate the silencing of people who do not fall
in line with my agenda?

If THAT were the case you could point to it and say "Irony!
That's ironic!" But it's not the case, sock puppet.

Glad we had this talk. We should do it more often.

(Note that I resisted the urge to point out the "Irony"
is some load claiming "Irony" where there is none... which
is pretty ironic, if you think about it)

--
https://jtem.tumblr.com/tagged/The%20Book%20of%20JTEM/page/5

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 by: jillery - Tue, 30 Apr 2024 04:53 UTC

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 13:41:17 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
<ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

>jillery <69jpil69@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 16 Apr 2024 01:01:22 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
>> <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> some VERY bad things.
>>>>
>>>> He's soliciting, even provoking an emotional reaction from
>>>> the viewer.
>>>>
>>>> He's manipulating people!
>>>>
>>>> Literally.
>>>>
>>> Yep
>>
>>
>> JTEM presents himself as a type specimen of what the video describes.
>> I'm surprised that doesn't give you pause, but I'm glad to give you
>> two something to agree about.
>>
>I snipped to make it “JTEM wrote some VERY bad things…” as this pretty much
>encapsulates his obnoxious posting career here. You go and make it about
>you…again. Weird.

Right, I made it about me by forcing y'all to exercise your inner
trolls. Jillery is bad, bad, bad, so very bad.

--
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