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* protonmail or skiff?Nomen Nescio
+- Re: protonmail or skiff?Berry Driscoll
+- Re: protonmail or skiff?D
+* Re: protonmail or skiff?Yamn Remailer
|`- Re: protonmail or skiff?Anonymous
+* Re: protonmail or skiff?Nomen Nescio
|`- Re: protonmail or skiff?D
`- Re: protonmail or skiff?Alex de Joode

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Subject: protonmail or skiff?
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 by: Nomen Nescio - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 11:16 UTC

protonmail or skiff?

If I use a VPN to make and use an email, which provider is better for
security?
I know Skiff is a US based provider and protonmail is Swiss.

Re: protonmail or skiff?

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From: berry.dr...@protonmail.com (Berry Driscoll)
Subject: Re: protonmail or skiff?
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 by: Berry Driscoll - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 11:36 UTC

Nomen Nescio wrote:

> protonmail or skiff?
>
> If I use a VPN to make and use an email, which provider is better for
> security?
> I know Skiff is a US based provider and protonmail is Swiss.
>
Not sure which one is better, but you can sign up at proton.me
with Tor Browser, if you use Bitmessage and create in the BM
client a Mailchuck email address, for registering at proton.me.

cheers
Berry

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 by: D - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 13:42 UTC

On Sat, 6 Jan 2024 12:16:35 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>I know Skiff is a US based provider and protonmail is Swiss

caveat emptor . . . pseudonymous storefronts are a dime a dozen

Re: protonmail or skiff?

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 by: Yamn Remailer - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 17:59 UTC

Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:

>protonmail or skiff?
>
>If I use a VPN to make and use an email, which provider is better for
>security?
>I know Skiff is a US based provider and protonmail is Swiss.

Most secure is a nym account at nym.mixmin.net or nymph.paranoici.org.

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Subject: Re: protonmail or skiff?
 by: Nomen Nescio - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 21:23 UTC

In article <10b989f90a6a0e7b73c686920f62b388@dizum.com>
Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>
> protonmail or skiff?
>
> If I use a VPN to make and use an email, which provider is better for
> security?
> I know Skiff is a US based provider and protonmail is Swiss.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230629102630/https://www.privacyaffairs
.com/protonmail-surrenders-user-logs/

ProtonMail provides IP logs to police

A recently released court document revealed that ProtonMail provided
IP address logs of a user to the French authorities, and this was
instrumental in the arrest of the respective user.

After the court document surfaced, Twitter and various media outlets
leaped on occasion. Everyone cried for blood because of ProtonMail�s
alleged �betrayal� of its users� privacy and anonymity.

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 by: Anonymous - Sat, 6 Jan 2024 23:51 UTC

On 1/6/2024 9:59 AM, Yamn Remailer wrote:

> Most secure is a nym account at nym.mixmin.net or nymph.paranoici.org.
>

Absolutely true.

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 by: D - Sun, 7 Jan 2024 00:54 UTC

On Sat, 6 Jan 2024 22:23:55 +0100 (CET), Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>In article <10b989f90a6a0e7b73c686920f62b388@dizum.com>
>Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
>> I know Skiff is a US based provider and protonmail is Swiss.
>
>https://web.archive.org/web/20230629102630/https://www.privacyaffairs.com/protonmail-surrenders-user-logs/
>ProtonMail provides IP logs to police
>A recently released court document revealed that ProtonMail provided
>IP address logs of a user to the French authorities, and this was
>instrumental in the arrest of the respective user.
>After the court document surfaced, Twitter and various media outlets
>leaped on occasion. Everyone cried for blood because of ProtonMail's
>alleged "betrayal" of its users' privacy and anonymity.

(using Tor Browser 13.0.8)
https://web.archive.org/web/20230629102630/https://www.privacyaffairs.com/protonmail-surrenders-user-logs/
>ProtonMail Surrenders User Logs And Changes IP Logging Policy
>Miklos Zoltan
>By Miklos Zoltan . 4 August 2022
>Founder - Privacy Affairs
>...
>Another famous case is that of Tutanota, a German email provider. In 2020,
>a German court compelled Tutanota to log incoming and outgoing unencrypted
>emails for a German user.
>The German court could access all unencrypted emails sent to and from the
>user's email address, while the encrypted correspondence stayed that way.
>The situation with Tutanota is strikingly similar to ProtonMail, in that a
>court-issued order targeted one individual. The email providers had to log
>that specific user's activities and collect the IP address. Other users
>were not affected at all.
[end quoted excerpt]

i wouldn't trust anyone that does not explicitly recommend the careful
use of remailers, nyms, and most particularly whole message encryption;
furthermore, anyone that promotes a storefront is obviously in cahoots

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 by: Alex de Joode - Sun, 7 Jan 2024 04:06 UTC

In alt.privacy.anon-server Nomen Nescio <nobody@dizum.com> wrote:
> protonmail or skiff?
>
> If I use a VPN to make and use an email, which provider is better for
> security?
> I know Skiff is a US based provider and protonmail is Swiss.

airvpn.org and mullvad.net are alternatives that I can recommend. (given ownership, services and transparancy)

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