grinch:

> If you want to cripple a country these days, just fire
> some rockets into data centers. That is the inherent
> weakness of the "cloud".

Then Russia has failed miserably in crippling Ukraine,
despite its overwhelming advantage in ballistic missiles. Or
did not try to.

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On 3/30/2024 2:42 AM, grinch wrote:

> If you want to cripple a country these days, just fire some rockets into
> data centers. That is the inherent weakness of the "cloud".
>

Not the current strategy. You can tell the strategy
is to hack into infrastructure and cripple it. That's
why people are working at breaking into the control
systems on the drinking water supply. And in the
past, on the electricity supply control systems.

That's how some high speed centrifuges were destroyed
underground in Iran.

Precision bombing today, is for sending messages.

https://e3.365dm.com/24/04/2048x1152/skynews-gaza-aid_6508336.jpg?20240402163740

See how personalized the delivery is there ? :-/

Paul

Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> wrote in
news:20240405171350.b21b4d4140683c06551de636@g{oogle}mail.com:

> grinch:
>
>> If you want to cripple a country these days, just fire
>> some rockets into data centers. That is the inherent
>> weakness of the "cloud".
>
> Then Russia has failed miserably in crippling Ukraine,
> despite its overwhelming advantage in ballistic missiles. Or
> did not try to.

Ballistic missiles are an end all. Russia does not want that as it ruins
their expansion plans for thousands of years. They are using Ukraine and
Israel to repay the USA for what Reagan did to them and the Biden
administration is too blind to see it.

Russia is also using Ukraine to get rid of unwanted dissidents, members of
their families, unwanted legacy armaments while gathering expended
weaponry for reverse engineering. Everyone is happily cluelessly
acquiescing to the Russian wishes.

Russia has the upper hand in Europe / Asia.

It's very simple. If Ukraine gets supplies and equipment from Europe,
most of the benefactors must still buy oil and gas from Russia to
manufacture and transport it, even operate it. Whatever the USA sends
incurs double the same costs for import and transport. Russia gets paid
or they cut off the gas during winter.

So who is winning?

Retro Guy to Anton Shepelev:

> Nearly 100% of nocem listings since google left is of
> computer generated posts, but these posts started before
> 22 Feb.

I think there were blocked because they contain SPAM rathern
than because they are computer-generaged...

> > I for one have only one idea: a heterarchical redundant
> > mutual cross verification of users by each other via
> > off- line meetings.
>
> That's a great way to meet a lot of fbi agents.

These should be public meetings, even as Usenet is public.

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Johanne Fairchild:

> There's so much propaganda that people don't understand
> what it really is and what it can do and not do.

Pray educate us, fair sir, with at lest your theses about AI
is and what it can do.

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On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 03:39:31 +0300, Anton Shepelev wrote:

> Retro Guy to Anton Shepelev:
>
>> Nearly 100% of nocem listings since google left is of
>> computer generated posts, but these posts started before
>> 22 Feb.
>
> I think there were blocked because they contain SPAM rathern
> than because they are computer-generaged...

I was referring to articles listed after Google Groups shutdown. For a
time, until Abaivia seems to have disappeared, there were 1,000 or more of
these posts to de.* groups that were listed in nocem. I know, I am one of
the generators of nocem.

For the time after GG, they were nearly 100% of nocem listings.

On 2024-03-30 07:19, grinch wrote:
> On 27 Mar 2024, Rich <rich@example.invalid> posted some
> news:uu1sr8$31f26$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> In comp.misc Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Mar 2024 17:14:58 -0000 (UTC)
>>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> []
>>>>
>>>> There's almost always some ultimate financial motive behind even
>>>> those things that are "disinformation". Find that underlying motive
>>>> and snip it off and the incentives go away. The underlying
>>>> financial motive can be difficult to discern in some cases.
>>>>
>>>> But compared to the spammers with clear financial motives (either
>>>> direct sales or by scams) the percentage that are 'disinformation'
>>>> is relatively small vs. the huge pile of clearly sales/scam
>>>> spamming occurring. So it would be helpful overall if those had
>>>> their oxygen cut off, because that leaves only the smaller set of
>>>> kooks with their disinformation to actively ignore.
>>>
>>> But there are also political types and governments pushing their own
>>> agendas. (Propaganda).
>>
>> There's also a 'financial' incentive there, in that said
>> government/political types want to keep either tax revenue flowing in,
>> or keep their nice cushy job prospects open when they leave their
>> political seat.
>
> Term limits and a two year hard ban from lobbying once exiting office.
> Pass the insider trading ban for everyone in government service, no
> exceptions.
>
>> Granted, it is by far much harder to snip off the finances there
>> (usually involves a revolt and regime change) so those do tend to stay
>> entrenched far longer than one would like.
>
> Cap government jobs at 20 years. Eliminate government hog trough pensions
> where they get paid 130% of what they were making before retirement. Cap
> government pensions at 80% max.

Teachers and doctors are government employees here. Will you actually
harm them that way?

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On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 19:52:28 -0000 (UTC)
Marcel Zant <mzant@_.pl> wrote:

> Ballistic missiles are an end all. Russia does not want that as it
> ruins their expansion plans for thousands of years. They are using
> Ukraine and Israel to repay the USA for what Reagan did to them

Why then do we share something as _vital to national security_ as our
SPACE PROGRAM with the Russians?

Why would any nation do something like THAT with their alleged "mortal
frenemies"?

https://www.nasa.gov/history/50-years-ago-the-united-states-and-the-soviet-union-sign-a-space-cooperation-agreement/

"On May 24, 1972, during their summit meeting in Moscow, the leaders of
the United States and the Soviet Union, President Richard M. Nixon and
Premier Aleksei N. Kosygin, signed an agreement on cooperation in
space. One of its articles called for the development of a joint system
to allow their spacecraft to dock with each other in orbit, laying the
groundwork for the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project, the first international
human spaceflight carried out in July 1975."

Wakey, wakey cupcake - not only did Tricky Dick open the door to the
Chicoms he put us in "outer" space with the USSR!

On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 17:13:50 +0300
Anton Shepelev <anton.txt@g{oogle}mail.com> wrote:

> Russia has failed miserably in crippling Ukraine,
> despite its overwhelming advantage in ballistic missiles. Or
> did not try to.
Why do we share something as vital to national security as our SPACE
PROGRAM with the Russians?

Why would any nation do something like THAT with their alleged "mortal
frenemies"?

https://www.nasa.gov/history/50-years-ago-the-united-states-and-the-soviet-union-sign-a-space-cooperation-agreement/

"On May 24, 1972, during their summit meeting in Moscow, the leaders of
the United States and the Soviet Union, President Richard M. Nixon and
Premier Aleksei N. Kosygin, signed an agreement on cooperation in
space. One of its articles called for the development of a joint system
to allow their spacecraft to dock with each other in orbit, laying the
groundwork for the Apollo-Soyuz Test Project, the first international
human spaceflight carried out in July 1975."

Wakey, wakey cupcake - not only did Tricky Dick open the door to the
Chicoms he put us in "outer" space with the USSR!