On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 21:40:15 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> ME wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 20:08:03 UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> >> > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > >> > > General-Zod wrote:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> >> > >> > > >>
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
> >> > >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
> >> > >> > > >>
> >> > >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale....
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
> >> > >> > > >>> > >>
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
> >> > >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here.....!
> >> > >> > > >>> >
> >> > >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
> >> > >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
> >> > >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
> >> > >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
> >> > >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
> >> > >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > > ********************************************************
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
> >> > >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood..."
> >> > >> > >
> >> > >> > > > *************************************************************
> >> > >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
> >> > >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
> >> > >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls...!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
> >> >
> >> > > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
> >> > > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
> >> > > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
> >> > > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
> >> >
> >> > > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
> >> >
> >> > > I do not approve of 13-year old
> >> > 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
> >> >
> >> > Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
> > This Poe bullshit makes him look so idiotic and ignorant
> Edgar Allan Poe married his thirteen year old cousin when he was twenty seven years old.
>
> No bullshit, it really happened.
>
>

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:55:43 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
> On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 21:40:15 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > ME wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 20:08:03 UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > >> > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > >> > > General-Zod wrote:
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> > >> > >> > > >>
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
> > >> > >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
> > >> > >> > > >>
> > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale....
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >>
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
> > >> > >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here.....!
> > >> > >> > > >>> >
> > >> > >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
> > >> > >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
> > >> > >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
> > >> > >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
> > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
> > >> > >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > > ********************************************************
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
> > >> > >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood...."
> > >> > >> > >
> > >> > >> > > > *************************************************************
> > >> > >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
> > >> > >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
> > >> > >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls...!
> > >> > >>
> > >> > >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
> > >> >
> > >> > > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
> > >> > > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
> > >> > > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
> > >> > > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
> > >> >
> > >> > > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
> > >> >
> > >> > > I do not approve of 13-year old
> > >> > 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
> > >> >
> > >> > Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
> > > This Poe bullshit makes him look so idiotic and ignorant
> > Edgar Allan Poe married his thirteen year old cousin when he was twenty seven years old.
> >
> > No bullshit, it really happened.
> >
> >
> Will, is that what made Poe such an influence on your writing ‘career’?

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:05:12 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> >> >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> > > General-Zod wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
> >> >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale....
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
> >> >> > > >>> > >>
> >> >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
> >> >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here....!
> >> >> > > >>> >
> >> >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
> >> >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
> >> >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
> >> >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
> >> >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
> >> >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > ********************************************************
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
> >> >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood..."
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > > *************************************************************
> >> >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
> >> >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
> >> >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls....!
> >> >>
> >> >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
> >>
> >> > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
> >> > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
> >> > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
> >> > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
> >>
> >> > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
> >>
> >> > I do not approve of 13-year old
> >> 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
> >>
> >> Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
>
> > We post-edit
> I snipped the lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight.
>
> HTH and HAND.

Family Guy wrote:

> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:05:12 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> >> >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> > > General-Zod wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
>> >> >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
>> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale....
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
>> >> >> > > >>> > >>
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
>> >> >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here....!
>> >> >> > > >>> >
>> >> >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
>> >> >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
>> >> >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
>> >> >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
>> >> >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
>> >> >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > ********************************************************
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
>> >> >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood..."
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > > *************************************************************
>> >> >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
>> >> >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
>> >> >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls....!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
>> >>
>> >> > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
>> >> > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
>> >> > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
>> >> > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
>> >>
>> >> > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
>> >>
>> >> > I do not approve of 13-year old
>> >> 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
>> >>
>> >> Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
>>
>> > We post-edit
>> I snipped the lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight.
>>
>> HTH and HAND.

On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:02:25 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:55:43 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
> > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 21:40:15 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > ME wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 20:08:03 UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > >> > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> > >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > General-Zod wrote:
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
> > > >> > >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
> > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale....
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >>
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here....!
> > > >> > >> > > >>> >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
> > > >> > >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
> > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
> > > >> > >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > > ********************************************************
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
> > > >> > >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood..."
> > > >> > >> > >
> > > >> > >> > > > *************************************************************
> > > >> > >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
> > > >> > >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
> > > >> > >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls...!
> > > >> > >>
> > > >> > >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
> > > >> > > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
> > > >> > > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
> > > >> > > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > I do not approve of 13-year old
> > > >> > 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
> > > > This Poe bullshit makes him look so idiotic and ignorant
> > > Edgar Allan Poe married his thirteen year old cousin when he was twenty seven years old.
> > >
> > > No bullshit, it really happened.
> > >
> > >
> > Will, is that what made Poe such an influence on your writing ‘career’?
> No, that was his poetry and short stories.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:02:25 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:55:43 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
> > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 21:40:15 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > ME wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 20:08:03 UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > > >> > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >> > >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > >> > > General-Zod wrote:
> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
> > > > >> > >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . .. on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
> > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale....
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >>
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here....!
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> > > > ********************************************************
> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
> > > > >> > >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood..."
> > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > >> > >> > > > *************************************************************
> > > > >> > >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
> > > > >> > >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
> > > > >> > >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls...!
> > > > >> > >>
> > > > >> > >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
> > > > >> > > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
> > > > >> > > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
> > > > >> > > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > I do not approve of 13-year old
> > > > >> > 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
> > > > > This Poe bullshit makes him look so idiotic and ignorant
> > > > Edgar Allan Poe married his thirteen year old cousin when he was twenty seven years old.
> > > >
> > > > No bullshit, it really happened.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Will, is that what made Poe such an influence on your writing ‘career’?
> > No, that was his poetry and short stories.
> And how do you think your Donkey-spew reflects Poe's poetry? Poe was educated, literate, and wrote complete,

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:21:03 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:02:25 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:55:43 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 21:40:15 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > ME wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 20:08:03 UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > > > >> > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >> > >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> > >> > > General-Zod wrote:
> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
> > > > > >> > >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . .. . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale....
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >>
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here....!
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her..
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > > ********************************************************
> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
> > > > > >> > >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood..."
> > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >> > > > *************************************************************
> > > > > >> > >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
> > > > > >> > >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
> > > > > >> > >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls...!
> > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > >> > >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
> > > > > >> > > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
> > > > > >> > > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
> > > > > >> > > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > I do not approve of 13-year old
> > > > > >> > 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
> > > > > > This Poe bullshit makes him look so idiotic and ignorant
> > > > > Edgar Allan Poe married his thirteen year old cousin when he was twenty seven years old.
> > > > >
> > > > > No bullshit, it really happened.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > Will, is that what made Poe such an influence on your writing ‘career’?
> > > No, that was his poetry and short stories.
> > And how do you think your Donkey-spew reflects Poe's poetry? Poe was educated, literate, and wrote complete,
> Here's some of my poetry, readers can decide for themselves:

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:26:12 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:21:03 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:02:25 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:55:43 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 21:40:15 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > ME wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 20:08:03 UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >> > > General-Zod wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
> > > > > > >> > >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia .. . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale.....
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here....!
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
> > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
> > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
> > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
> > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > > ********************************************************
> > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
> > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
> > > > > > >> > >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
> > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood..."
> > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > >> > >> > > > *************************************************************
> > > > > > >> > >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
> > > > > > >> > >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
> > > > > > >> > >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls...!
> > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > >> > >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
> > > > > > >> > > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
> > > > > > >> > > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
> > > > > > >> > > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > > I do not approve of 13-year old
> > > > > > >> > 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
> > > > > > > This Poe bullshit makes him look so idiotic and ignorant
> > > > > > Edgar Allan Poe married his thirteen year old cousin when he was twenty seven years old.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No bullshit, it really happened.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > Will, is that what made Poe such an influence on your writing ‘career’?
> > > > No, that was his poetry and short stories.
> > > And how do you think your Donkey-spew reflects Poe's poetry? Poe was educated, literate, and wrote complete,
> > Here's some of my poetry, readers can decide for themselves:
> This reader has decided that you are far and away the single worst "poet" he has ever had to waste his time reading.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:26:12 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:21:03 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:02:25 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:55:43 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 21:40:15 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > ME wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 20:08:03 UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > General-Zod wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale.....
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here....!
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > ********************************************************
> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood..."
> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > *************************************************************
> > > > > > > >> > >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
> > > > > > > >> > >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
> > > > > > > >> > >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls...!
> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > > > > > > >> > >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
> > > > > > > >> > > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
> > > > > > > >> > > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
> > > > > > > >> > > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > > I do not approve of 13-year old
> > > > > > > >> > 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
> > > > > > > > This Poe bullshit makes him look so idiotic and ignorant
> > > > > > > Edgar Allan Poe married his thirteen year old cousin when he was twenty seven years old.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No bullshit, it really happened.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Will, is that what made Poe such an influence on your writing ‘career’?
> > > > > No, that was his poetry and short stories.
> > > > And how do you think your Donkey-spew reflects Poe's poetry? Poe was educated, literate, and wrote complete,
> > > Here's some of my poetry, readers can decide for themselves:
> > This reader has decided that you are far and away the single worst "poet" he has ever had to waste his time reading.
> Says Michael Pendragon, the delusional little monkey who thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot.
>
> I've seen your fascist fantasy burn list, also.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:26:12 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:21:03 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:02:25 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:55:43 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
>> > > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 21:40:15 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > ME wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 20:08:03 UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > General-Zod wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale.....
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here....!
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > ********************************************************
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood..."
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > *************************************************************
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
>> > > > > > > >> > >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls...!
>> > > > > > > >> > >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
>> > > > > > > >> > > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
>> > > > > > > >> > > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
>> > > > > > > >> > > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > > I do not approve of 13-year old
>> > > > > > > >> > 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
>> > > > > > > > This Poe bullshit makes him look so idiotic and ignorant
>> > > > > > > Edgar Allan Poe married his thirteen year old cousin when he was twenty seven years old.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > No bullshit, it really happened.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > Will, is that what made Poe such an influence on your writing ‘career’?
>> > > > > No, that was his poetry and short stories.
>> > > > And how do you think your Donkey-spew reflects Poe's poetry? Poe was educated, literate, and wrote complete,
>> > > Here's some of my poetry, readers can decide for themselves:
>> > This reader has decided that you are far and away the single worst "poet" he has ever had to waste his time reading.
>> Says Michael Pendragon, the delusional little monkey who thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot.
>>
>> I've seen your fascist fantasy burn list, also.

Eliot's not bad. I just happen to be better.

COUSIN NANCY

Miss Nancy Ellicott
Strode across the hills and broke them,
Rode across the hills and broke them—
The barren New England hills—
Riding to hounds
Over the cow-pasture.

Miss Nancy Ellicott smoked
And danced all the modern dances;
And her aunts were not quite sure how they felt about it,
But they knew that it was modern.

Upon the glazen shelves kept watch
Matthew and Waldo, guardians of the faith,
The army of unalterable law.

-- T. S. Eliot, “Cousin Nancy,” from Poetry 7, no. 1 (October 1915): 22.

HICKSVILLE
(July 2020)

The sun is sleeping in;
the morning sky
Dons lifeless robes of grey and somber tone,
While straggling bursts from last night's bout of rain
Wash every trace of color from the world.

Trainbound, I watch as blackened railroad ties
Lay down their trail of timeworn dragon bone,
And know that I must pass this way again --
The timeline of my coming days unfurled
In iron rails that stretch across the land.

From New York City to my nine-to-five:
Woodside, Kew Gardens, Hollis, Floral Park
New Hyde Park, Mineola, Carle Place…
Each stop along the railway duly planned;
My ticket punched, I'm scheduled to arrive
In Hicksville at 8:50 on the mark.

A black cloth patch obscures my lower face
-- A safety mask to hold the death in check --
I rest my head against the windowpane,
And watch the grey pervade the empty car
And let my thoughts drift in and out of sleep.

Just one more stop before my morning trek
Comes to its end and I tie on my chain
And search the heavens for my Eastern star
Then hit the platform with my fellow sheep
Who hear the taxman bleating at their back.

The mortgage must be paid, life's wages won,
The weary hunter stalks his payroll prey;
Scans his I.D. and snarls at the clock.

A bagel and some coffee, sweet and black;
Another same old working day begun --
I count the hours, and feel my hair turn grey
And stow my feelings under key and lock.

The train continues toward its final stop
As puddles gather on the concrete strand;
The morning shower slows… plip-plop… plip plop
Death scurries by with raindrops in his hand.

-- Michael Pendragon, "Hicksville," from A Year of Sundays, July 2020.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:26:12 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:21:03 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:02:25 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:55:43 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
>> > > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 21:40:15 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > ME wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 20:08:03 UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > General-Zod wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale......
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here....!
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman.. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > ********************************************************
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood..."
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > *************************************************************
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
>> > > > > > > >> > >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
>> > > > > > > >> > >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls...!
>> > > > > > > >> > >>
>> > > > > > > >> > >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
>> > > > > > > >> > > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
>> > > > > > > >> > > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
>> > > > > > > >> > > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > > I do not approve of 13-year old
>> > > > > > > >> > 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
>> > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > >> > Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
>> > > > > > > > This Poe bullshit makes him look so idiotic and ignorant
>> > > > > > > Edgar Allan Poe married his thirteen year old cousin when he was twenty seven years old.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > No bullshit, it really happened.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > Will, is that what made Poe such an influence on your writing ‘career’?
>> > > > > No, that was his poetry and short stories.
>> > > > And how do you think your Donkey-spew reflects Poe's poetry? Poe was educated, literate, and wrote complete,
>> > > Here's some of my poetry, readers can decide for themselves:
>> > This reader has decided that you are far and away the single worst "poet" he has ever had to waste his time reading.
>> Says Michael Pendragon, the delusional little monkey who thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot.
>>
>> I've seen your fascist fantasy burn list, also.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:05:26 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:26:12 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> >> > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:21:03 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:02:25 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:55:43 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
> >> > > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 21:40:15 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > > > ME wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 20:08:03 UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > General-Zod wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale.....
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here....!
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > ********************************************************
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood..."
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > *************************************************************
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls...!
> >> > > > > > > >> > >>
> >> > > > > > > >> > >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
> >> > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > >> > > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
> >> > > > > > > >> > > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
> >> > > > > > > >> > > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
> >> > > > > > > >> > > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
> >> > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > >> > > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
> >> > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > >> > > I do not approve of 13-year old
> >> > > > > > > >> > 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
> >> > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > >> > Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
> >> > > > > > > > This Poe bullshit makes him look so idiotic and ignorant
> >> > > > > > > Edgar Allan Poe married his thirteen year old cousin when he was twenty seven years old.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > No bullshit, it really happened.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Will, is that what made Poe such an influence on your writing ‘career’?
> >> > > > > No, that was his poetry and short stories.
> >> > > > And how do you think your Donkey-spew reflects Poe's poetry? Poe was educated, literate, and wrote complete,
> >> > > Here's some of my poetry, readers can decide for themselves:
> >> > This reader has decided that you are far and away the single worst "poet" he has ever had to waste his time reading.
> >> Says Michael Pendragon, the delusional little monkey who thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot.
> >>
> >> I've seen your fascist fantasy burn list, also.
>
> > Note that I would burn their books
>
> Like I said, your fascist fantasy is noted, Michael Pendragon.
>
> >> > > Shadowville Mythos poetry blog:
>
> <flush >
>
> 🙂
>
> >> < flush >

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:12:24 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 10:05:26 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:49:03 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:26:12 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:21:03 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 10:02:25 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:55:43 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
> > >> > > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 21:40:15 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > ME wrote:
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > On Thursday, 8 December 2022 at 20:08:03 UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > General-Zod wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale.....
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >>
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here....!
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies)..
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > ********************************************************
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood..."
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > > *************************************************************
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls...!
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >>
> > >> > > > > > > >> > >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
> > >> > > > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
> > >> > > > > > > >> > > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
> > >> > > > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
> > >> > > > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > > I do not approve of 13-year old
> > >> > > > > > > >> > 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
> > >> > > > > > > >> >
> > >> > > > > > > >> > Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
> > >> > > > > > > > This Poe bullshit makes him look so idiotic and ignorant
> > >> > > > > > > Edgar Allan Poe married his thirteen year old cousin when he was twenty seven years old.
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > No bullshit, it really happened.
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Will, is that what made Poe such an influence on your writing ‘career’?
> > >> > > > > No, that was his poetry and short stories.
> > >> > > > And how do you think your Donkey-spew reflects Poe's poetry? Poe was educated, literate, and wrote complete,
> > >> > > Here's some of my poetry, readers can decide for themselves:
> > >> > This reader has decided that you are far and away the single worst "poet" he has ever had to waste his time reading.
> > >> Says Michael Pendragon, the delusional little monkey who thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot.
> > >>
> > >> I've seen your fascist fantasy burn list, also.
> >
> > > Note that I would burn their books
> >
> > Like I said, your fascist fantasy is noted, Michael Pendragon.
> >
> > >> > > Shadowville Mythos poetry blog:

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:48:24 AM UTC-5, Family Guy wrote:
> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:05:12 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> > >> >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >> > > General-Zod wrote:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
> > >> >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
> > >> >> > > >>
> > >> >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale....
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
> > >> >> > > >>> > >>
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
> > >> >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here.....!
> > >> >> > > >>> >
> > >> >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
> > >> >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
> > >> >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
> > >> >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
> > >> >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
> > >> >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > > ********************************************************
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
> > >> >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood..."
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > > *************************************************************
> > >> >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
> > >> >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
> > >> >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls....!
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
> > >>
> > >> > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
> > >> > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
> > >> > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
> > >> > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
> > >>
> > >> > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
> > >>
> > >> > I do not approve of 13-year old
> > >> 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
> > >>
> > >> Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
> >
> > > We post-edit
> > I snipped the lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight.
> >
> > HTH and HAND.
> You post-edit and lie like a little bastard.

Zod wrote:

> George Dance wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>> > George Dance wrote:
>> >> NancyGene wrote:
>
>> >>> Where is Mount Father? Is that in Canada?
>> >> Thanks for the good catch, dear. I can't delete this, but I'll repost.
>> >
>> > That's pretty funny coming from NancyGene, who thinks London, home of John Dunne and Robert F. Stillings, is in Ireland... ha ha.
>>
>> What was even funnier, for me, was that just after announding the Yeats
>> exhibit in London, Ireland, Prof. NG suddenly took a month-long
>> "sabbatical" from the group. I spent a couple of amusing hours imagining
>> them roaming around Ireland looking for London. (Of course, not being a
>> troll, I never posted about it.)

> Ha ha ... you nailed it G.D....

Yes, which they've been trying to deflect from for days, now.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 12:45:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
>
> > George Dance wrote:
> >> Zod wrote:
> >> > George Dance wrote:
> >> >> NancyGene wrote:
> >
> >> >>> Where is Mount Father? Is that in Canada?
> >> >> Thanks for the good catch, dear. I can't delete this, but I'll repost.
> >> >
> >> > That's pretty funny coming from NancyGene, who thinks London, home of John Dunne and Robert F. Stillings, is in Ireland... ha ha.
> >>
> >> What was even funnier, for me, was that just after announding the Yeats
> >> exhibit in London, Ireland, Prof. NG suddenly took a month-long
> >> "sabbatical" from the group. I spent a couple of amusing hours imagining
> >> them roaming around Ireland looking for London. (Of course, not being a
> >> troll, I never posted about it.)
>
> > Ha ha ... you nailed it G.D....
>
> Yes, which they've been trying to deflect from for days, now.

IMHO randomly bringing up an error that happened 2 months ago (or more), would constitute the deflection.

Just saying.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:24:39 PM UTC-5, cocodeso...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 12:45:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Zod wrote:
> >
> > > George Dance wrote:
> > >> Zod wrote:
> > >> > George Dance wrote:
> > >> >> NancyGene wrote:
> > >
> > >> >>> Where is Mount Father? Is that in Canada?
> > >> >> Thanks for the good catch, dear. I can't delete this, but I'll repost.
> > >> >
> > >> > That's pretty funny coming from NancyGene, who thinks London, home of John Dunne and Robert F. Stillings, is in Ireland... ha ha.
> > >>
> > >> What was even funnier, for me, was that just after announding the Yeats
> > >> exhibit in London, Ireland, Prof. NG suddenly took a month-long
> > >> "sabbatical" from the group. I spent a couple of amusing hours imagining
> > >> them roaming around Ireland looking for London. (Of course, not being a
> > >> troll, I never posted about it.)
> >
> > > Ha ha ... you nailed it G.D....
> >
> > Yes, which they've been trying to deflect from for days, now.
> IMHO randomly bringing up an error that happened 2 months ago (or more), would constitute the deflection.
>
> Just saying.

Not really random.

Again, you're mistaken, Corey, I like words.

After all, I've been writing poetry for over forty years now.

--
Shadowville Mythos poetry blog:
https://shadowville-mythos.blogspot.com/

HTH and HAND.

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:30:47 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:24:39 PM UTC-5, cocodeso...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 12:45:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Zod wrote:
> > >
> > > > George Dance wrote:
> > > >> Zod wrote:
> > > >> > George Dance wrote:
> > > >> >> NancyGene wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> >>> Where is Mount Father? Is that in Canada?
> > > >> >> Thanks for the good catch, dear. I can't delete this, but I'll repost.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > That's pretty funny coming from NancyGene, who thinks London, home of John Dunne and Robert F. Stillings, is in Ireland... ha ha.
> > > >>
> > > >> What was even funnier, for me, was that just after announding the Yeats
> > > >> exhibit in London, Ireland, Prof. NG suddenly took a month-long
> > > >> "sabbatical" from the group. I spent a couple of amusing hours imagining
> > > >> them roaming around Ireland looking for London. (Of course, not being a
> > > >> troll, I never posted about it.)
> > >
> > > > Ha ha ... you nailed it G.D....
> > >
> > > Yes, which they've been trying to deflect from for days, now.
> > IMHO randomly bringing up an error that happened 2 months ago (or more), would constitute the deflection.
> >
> > Just saying.
> Not really random.

We were discussing "Mt. Father's House."

When Georgie Porgy ran away, you and your Stink went into your deflection/bury-the-thread mode: first challenging me to summarize your biography, then attacking Poe's reputation by repeating the 173-year old slanders Rufus Griswold made immediately *after* Poe's death. When that failed, you've shifted to flaming NancyGene for an error she made approximately two months ago -- in a thread where your friend mistakenly listed his poem's title as "Mt Father's House"! (Weren't you the one who'd claimed that making a typo in the title of one's thread was much funnier and far more embarrassing than having made a typo in the body of the text?)

I'm sure George Dance hasn't run away, Pendragon, but, again, I'll let George speak for himself.

As for Edgar Allan Poe, it seems to be a historical fact that he was an alcoholic, was suspected of being a drug addict who married his thirteen year old cousin.

Are you trying to deny these historical facts about Edgar Allan Poe, Pendragon?

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:33:53 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Again, you're mistaken, Corey, I like words.
>

Then how come you are so terrible at using and understanding them?

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:10:15 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Family Guy wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:05:12 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> > > General-Zod wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >> >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
> >> >> >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
> >> >> >> > > >>
> >> >> >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale....
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >>
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here.....!
> >> >> >> > > >>> >
> >> >> >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
> >> >> >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
> >> >> >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
> >> >> >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
> >> >> >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
> >> >> >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so..
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > > ********************************************************
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
> >> >> >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood...."
> >> >> >> > >
> >> >> >> > > > *************************************************************
> >> >> >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
> >> >> >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
> >> >> >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls....!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
> >> >>
> >> >> > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
> >> >> > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
> >> >> > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
> >> >> > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
> >> >>
> >> >> > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
> >> >>
> >> >> > I do not approve of 13-year old
> >> >> 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
> >> >>
> >> >> Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
> >>
> >> > We post-edit
> >> I snipped the lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight.
> >>
> >> HTH and HAND.
>
> > You post-edit and lie like a little bastard.
> No, you just made that up.
>
>
You post edit every response you make, Donkey.
Lying does not help to change the truth.

Family Guy wrote:

> On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 9:10:15 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Family Guy wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 9:05:12 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 4:25:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:42:00 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:37:07 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > General-Zod wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > > Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:38:48 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef....@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 9:40:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> George J. Dance wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Father's House
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is my father's house, although
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The man died thirteen years ago.
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They said it would be quite all right
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To take a drive to see it now.
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And built the whole thing (from a box),
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toiling after each full day's work.
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I helped, though I was only six.
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Look, here's the back door I would use
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And here's where I'd remove my shoes
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To enter; there I'd leave my things
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this room I'd wash many a dish,
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be so many other places.
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Outside, the garden that he grew
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I would work the summers through,
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > While watching my friends run and play
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mysterious games I never knew.
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The one chair I was let to sit?
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (For boys can be such filthy things.)
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which, the corner where boys were put?
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh .... down that hall there is a room
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After the meal, to make no noise,
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To read or play alone, and then
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Face and pyjama bottoms down
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As for my father's belt I'd wait.
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, if I were a millionaire
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd buy my father's house, and there
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its flames would light up all the air.
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~~
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> >> > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from Logos and other logoi, 2021
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx trolling snipped xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> > Where I grew up, a 13-14-year old who was regularly drinking, getting high, and banging other children would have been thought of as trash
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet you seem to have no problem with grown men such as Edgar Allan Poe and Jerry Lee Lewis having sex, and marrying, 13-year-old girls....
>> >> >> >> > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2014/05/26-year-old-edgar-allan-poe-married-13-year-old-cousin/
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> ********* As if his stories weren’t occasionally disturbing enough, it turns out Edgar Allan Poe’s love life was more than a little creepy as well. *****************
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> ********** Poe met his bride-to-be, Virginia Clemm, when she was 7 years old, and he was 20 *******
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> “Poe secretly married Virginia . . . on September 22, 1835. He was 26 and she was 13, though she is listed on the marriage certificate as being 21.”
>> >> >> >> > > >>
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > Poe's lie ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Jerry Lee Lewis, a very similar tale....
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >>
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> >> Yet Pendragon appears to accept and condone this, while hypocritically attacking young Doc, himself just a boy at the time, not a grown man of 26 like Poe was....
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >>
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> > Pendragon is a hypocritical troll, what else would you expect?
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > >> That is one thing that never seems to change here.....!
>> >> >> >> > > >>> >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > > Poe was in all probability a virgin when he married
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > What's the evidence of that?
>> >> >> >> > > >>> It's the general supposition made by all of his biographers (and, yes, I have read the majority of his biographies).
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > > and by his own admission did not consummate his marriage during its first year
>> >> >> >> > > >>> > Poe lied about Virginia's age on the marriage certificate (see above), so he might have lied about not having sex with her.
>> >> >> >> > > >>> He might have. But he had no discernible reason to do so..
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > >> Poe probably lied because his cousin was a 13-year old girl and Poe was a grown man.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > >>> Like I said, Poe was an old school gentleman. He was raised by a wealthy family, sent to the best schools, and tended to lean toward the prudish side.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > >> Far from a prude, Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > >> HTH and HAND.
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > > ********************************************************
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > > https://www.bartleby.com/essay/The-Influence-of-Alcohol-and-Drugs-in-F3JAB5FCVJ
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > > "Edgar Allan Poe is known for his drinking problems and use of drugs. Those habits had a big influence in his life and in his works. Family members, classmates, depression and disasters influenced Poe to use alcohol. The possibilities of Poe been an alcoholic increased…show more content…
>> >> >> >> > > > 1). Poe went so far that he got into a point that he drank absinthe and brandy which is a really dangerous mixture (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 27).. Between the many possible causes of Edgar Allan Poe’s death, his problem with alcohol is really considerable as one important reason of his early death (Scharf, Douglas 1). Even though Poe was completely addicted to alcohol, many times, he tried very hard to fight against his alcoholism. Right after his first long drinking experience, during college, he tried to stay away from it (Black, Jamee A. 3). His drinking times were intermittent and he stayed abstain from alcohol for months in some of those periods (Poe, Drugs and Alcohol 8). Promises were made and repeatedly times he said that would never drink again. As one side of Poe tells him that he should stop with alcohol, the other side tells that he should drink to relief his emotional pains and usually he followed this last side once is a lot easier to deal with it (Black, Jamee A. 6). In 1847, Poe’s get extremely hard into drinking, one of the worse times during his whole life, after the death of his young wife Virginia....."
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > > "....The Role Alcohol Plays in Poe Stories Edgar Allan Poe struggled with drug addiction, and through his experience, he has been able to present his struggles in complicated narratives carefully. Alcohol plays a central role in Edgar Allen Poe stories including The Masque of the Red Death, Hop-Frog, and The Cask of Amontillado. The unique writing styles presented in these stories develop from Poe's notorious alcoholism combined with his dysfunctional and usually unsupportive family. Even at childhood...."
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > > *************************************************************
>> >> >> >> > > Strange how Pendragon thinks he can just block all this from his hero worship of Edgar Allan Poe.
>> >> >> >> > I would prefer for Poe to have been an amoral, decadent, and thoroughly wicked man
>> >> >> >> Close enough, since Edgar Allan Poe was well known to be a heavy drinker and drug user, not to mention his obvious desires for 13-year old girls....!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Or is a grown man having sex with a 13 year old child just hunky dory with you, Pen...?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > 1) Virginia was 14 when she and her husband first made love.
>> >> >> > 2) 14 was not considered a child in 1835.
>> >> >> > 3) By all accounts the Poes were a happy, loving couple.
>> >> >> > 4) There is a world of difference between marrying a 14-year old and having sex with a 14-year old.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I certainly approve of Poe's marriage.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > I do not approve of 13-year old
>> >> >> 13-year old girls getting banged by grown men such as Jerry Lee Lewis and Edgar Allan Poe?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Then why continue to defend them, Pendragon?
>> >>
>> >> > We post-edit
>> >> I snipped the lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight.
>> >>
>> >> HTH and HAND.
>>
>> > You post-edit and lie like a little bastard.
>> No, you just made that up.
>>
>>
> You post edit every response

On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 1:33:53 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Again, you're mistaken, Corey, I like words.
>
> After all, I've been writing poetry for over forty years now.
>
> --
> Shadowville Mythos poetry blog:
> https://shadowville-mythos.blogspot.com/
> HTH and HAND.

Hateful post-edit noted.