On Sat, 06 Jan 2024 07:19:48 +0000, *Hemidactylus*
<ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

>zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On 1/5/2024 8:35 AM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
>>> few are very happy about their
>>> choices, except for the very worst of people who like the worst of Trump.
>>
>> Trump gave raging assholes license to be raging assholes.
>>
>Isn’t the latest rage in how Trump shits himself regularly and offends the
>nostrils of those around him? The alleged fart that offended Feinstein:
>https://youtu.be/rjrfOcPDKfs?si=nLsHm2vGffCDeYBx

It might have initiated her dementia.

>Farts are funny. Full stop.

<https://www.youtube.com/shorts/4BjbkaLXKXo>

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On Sat, 06 Jan 2024 07:19:48 +0000
*Hemidactylus* <ecphoric@allspamis.invalid> wrote:

> zen cycle <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On 1/5/2024 8:35 AM, Lawyer Daggett wrote:
> >> few are very happy about their
> >> choices, except for the very worst of people who like the worst of
> >> Trump.
> >
> > Trump gave raging assholes license to be raging assholes.
> >
> Isn’t the latest rage in how Trump shits himself regularly and
> offends the nostrils of those around him? The alleged fart that
> offended Feinstein: https://youtu.be/rjrfOcPDKfs?si=nLsHm2vGffCDeYBx
>
> Farts are funny. Full stop.

You might enjoy a view of fresh bacon-strip underwear.

The effluvium of Trump derangement syndrome smells farty.

On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 05:35:38 -0800 (PST), Lawyer Daggett
<j.nobel.daggett@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:37:30?AM UTC-5, Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 04:08:40 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>> <broger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 5:32:18?AM UTC-5, Martin Harran wrote:
> . . .
>> https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/01/04/the-man-supposed-to-stop-donald-trump-is-an-unpopular-81-year-old
>>
>> <quote>
>>
>> THE MAN SUPPOSED TO STOP DONALD TRUMP IS AN UNPOPULAR 81-YEAR-OLD
>>
>> In failing to look past Joe Biden, Democrats have shown cowardice and
>> complacency.
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I do think much of the analysis is missing a key reason that the Dems have kept with Biden,
>and indeed the reason they went with him in the first place. It's because he's milquetoast.
>The reasoning goes this way. Trump seems to function politically by stirring up fear and anger,
>in, shall we call them vulnerable subsets of the electorate. He harvests those who are perpetually
>angry, those with oppositional defiant disorder, and I'll spare you the list from Blazing Saddles.
>He points to his opponent and they get labeled with all sorts of nasties. Paradoxically, they get
>labeled both as weak and a threat. This was quite effective against Hillary as it tagged unto many
>decades of propaganda. But 'Uncle Joe' just can't seem to appear threatening.
>
>This tends to take the steam out of Trump's sails for that final suite of voters he needs. For these
>purposes, we'll call them swing voters but specifically the ones who don't actually like being afraid
>and angry all the time. It isn't healthy.
>
>He's tapped into those who are addicted to it, and those who are enjoying him giving them an excuse
>to let their bigotry out, and those are a lost cause, even when they acknowledge he's a dangerous idiot.
>
>So many within the Democratic Party feel that for the specific case of Trump, one needs a cooler.
>Someone who takes down the temperature, extinguishes the fire. That was Biden.
>
>But in the last 4 years, the GOP machine has been working hard to recast Biden as a horrible threat.
>To some extent it's worked and you can hear people both talking about how weak and ineffective
>he is while simultaneously being a threat. All through odd rumors of the Biden Crime Family and
>strange inventions.
>
>The problem is, if the Dems anointed some leader to replace him, and I frankly don't know who
>that would be, it would in some sense need to be a charismatic person who would almost
>certainly be a better target for the rage manufacturing machine of the GOP.
>
>Of course there's not a hint of policy in this discussion, which ought to smell rotten to any
>sensible thinking person, but policy doesn't win elections.
>
>So the Dems are stuck, just like the GQP is stuck with Trump. And few are very happy about their
>choices, except for the very worst of people who like the worst of Trump.

Meanwhile, the Big Lie continues to not just survive but thrive:

"Regarding Jan. 6 itself, 28 percent say former president Donald Trump
bears no responsibility, 21 percent say the people who stormed the
Capitol were "mostly peaceful" and 25 percent say the FBI probably or
definitely instigated the attack."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/01/05/jan6-trump-insurrection-2024-election/

On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 03:51:46 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
<brogers31751@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:42:30?AM UTC-5, Martin Harran wrote:
>> On Fri, 5 Jan 2024 02:55:03 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
>> <broger...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 4:52:30?AM UTC-5, Martin Harran wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 19:36:38 +0000, Ernest Major
>> >> <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On 02/01/2024 17:22, Burkhard wrote:
>> >> >> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 1:32:22?PM UTC, Martin Harran wrote:
>> >> >>> On Thu, 28 Dec 2023 01:21:43 -0500, Ron Dean
>> >> >>> <rondean...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>> Mark Isaak wrote:
>> >> >>>>> On 12/19/23 1:50 PM, peter2...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >>>>>> The Grinches described in the linked article specialize in decorations
>> >> >>>>>> that
>> >> >>>>>> have what they deem to be a religious motif.
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> I do believe, by the way, that Kwanzaa
>> >> >>>>>> decorations would pass muster for any school or school board that
>> >> >>>>>> follows their example.
>> >> >>>>>> So would rainbow flags...
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> https://washingtonstand.com/news/bah-humbug-pa-school-districts-warns-bus-drivers-against-christmas-decorations
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Excerpts:
>> >> >>>>>> On Friday, just over a week before Christmas, the
>> >> >>>>>> Wallingford-Swarthmore school district in Delaware County,
>> >> >>>>>> Pennsylvania, issued a memo to school bus drivers saying, “If you have
>> >> >>>>>> decorated your bus with anything specific
>> >> >>>>>> to the Christmas Holiday or any other decorations relating to a
>> >> >>>>>> specific religion, please remove them immediately.”
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> The memo concludes, “In addition, employees are instructed not to wear
>> >> >>>>>> clothing related to Christmas
>> >> >>>>>> or any other religious holiday.” According to the memo, school
>> >> >>>>>> district leadership
>> >> >>>>>> “has been receiving complaints from parents concerning District
>> >> >>>>>> employees displaying ‘Christmas’ themed decorations
>> >> >>>>>> and/or wearing clothing of the same nature.”
>> >> >>>>>> A note adds that the policy is not specific to school bus drivers
>> >> >>>>>> but “APPLIES TO ALL DISTRICT EMPLOYEES.”
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> ...
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> Joseph Backholm, FRC’s senior fellow for Biblical Worldview, told TWS
>> >> >>>>>> that the ban on Christmas decorations
>> >> >>>>>> is “an issue of people in leadership who always follow rather than lead.”
>> >> >>>>>> He said, “The school district apparently received a complaint from
>> >> >>>>>> someone that a bus driver
>> >> >>>>>> was spreading too much Christmas cheer, and instead of telling that
>> >> >>>>>> parent
>> >> >>>>>> they encourage every bus driver to be as festive as possible,
>> >> >>>>>> they decided it was their job to protect the emotionally fragile.”
>> >> >>>>>> Although “Christmas” is named explicitly in the memo, Backholm noted
>> >> >>>>>> that the inclusion
>> >> >>>>>> of “any other religious holiday” was “certainly done on the advice of
>> >> >>>>>> their lawyers,
>> >> >>>>>> because it would be illegal to just ban Christmas displays and clothing.”
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> ...
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> According to Fox 29 Philadelphia, the school district clarified Friday
>> >> >>>>>> night that their intent was “not clear”
>> >> >>>>>> and reversed the ban on holiday decorations and clothing,
>> >> >>>>>> emphasizing instead a need for bus drivers to create “an inclusive
>> >> >>>>>> environment.”
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> “The parents who want to remove the decorations should spend a week on
>> >> >>>>>> the bus to see what kind of environment
>> >> >>>>>> their children and the bus drivers experience daily,” Kilgannon said.
>> >> >>>>>> “Parents know that in many school districts bus discipline is
>> >> >>>>>> nonexistent and enforcing any behavioral norm
>> >> >>>>>> is often punished — by just this kind of complaint. Taxpayers on the
>> >> >>>>>> other hand
>> >> >>>>>> who have no kids in school have no idea that this kind of situation is
>> >> >>>>>> funded by their generosity.”
>> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >>>>>> [end of excerpts]
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Sounds like the War on Christmas waged by Republicans a few years ago to
>> >> >>>>> make people angry enough to send them money.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> Why would anyone send money to an organization which makes them angry?
>> >> >>>> That comment makes absolute _no_ sense!
>> >> >>> Mark's remark wasn't particularly clear, he was talking about
>> >> >>> Republicans fighting against what they saw as anti-religion people
>> >> >>> waging "War on Christmas".
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Christmas, what is that Christmas you are talking
>> >> >> about - do you mean Christ-tide by any chance?;o)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And we were so, so close winning the war against Christmas!
>> >> >> Back in 1640 that is, when Christmas celebrations were prohibited
>> >> >> in England by an Act of Parliament. And when this did not work,
>> >> >> closing your business on the 25th became a criminal offence in 1656.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Verily, isn't "luxurious disorderly Christmas-keeping a meere sinfull,
>> >> >> wicked unchristian pastimes, vanities, cultures and disguises’?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To ‘decke up Houses with Laurell, Yuie and green boughes should be
>> >> >> forbidden, as does any going out to entertainment, which is
>> >> >> ‘a voluptuous and base servilitie to our filthie carnal lusts"
>> >> >> Indeed, should people of other faiths observe our Bacchanalian
>> >> >> Christmas extravagancies they would ‘thinke our Saviour to be a
>> >> >> glutton, an Epicure, a wine-bibber … a God of all dissolutenesse,
>> >> >> drunkennesse and disorder’!!!!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In the Bible there is nothing about feasting, carousing, gambling or
>> >> >> heathenish Christmas pastimes’; rather, ‘Glory be to God on high, on
>> >> >> earth peace, good will towards men … is the Angels’, the Shepherds’ only
>> >> >> Christmas Caroll’, which the Virgin Mary ‘hath prefaced with this
>> >> >> celestiall hymne of prayse, My soule doth magnifie the Lord…’
>> >> >>
>> >> >> So I hope you abstained from all ‘riotous grand-Christmasses’
>> >> >> and instead to ‘cordially meditated on the Scriptures"
>> >> >> preferably alone and in an unheated home
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >I looked to see if there was any informative press reporting on this
>> >> >event, but all I found was the same outrage peddling. Unless something
>> >> >more than Christmas decoration was involved, such as plastering the bus
>> >> >windows with nativity scenes or icons of the Virgin, crossing the line
>> >> >into proselytisation, I would think the most likely complainant would be
>> >> >a Christian from one of the sects that reject the Christmas festivities
>> >> >as pagan.
>> >.....
>> >> IME, I have never seen any Muslim or Jewish or Hindu or other
>> >> religious leader complaining about Christmas celebrations being
>> >> offensive. What I have seen are people who take it upon themselves to
>> >> decide that followers of non-Christian religions *should* take
>> >> offence.
>> >When I lived in Indonesia (2005-2010) there was a significant disagreement among Muslim leaders whether it was sinful for a Muslim to greet a Christian by saying "Merry Christmas."
>> I can understand that but did they take offence at Christians greeting
>> them with 'Merry Christmas'?

It's not particularly about Biden, although he is a piece of shit. It's just that academic people in general have turned towards socialism, and so there is a large percentage of the population in the USA who are each individually, a piece of shit. And this limits the possiblities for good times very much, regardless of who is in charge. But especially it neccessarily means that the bureaucracy will be corrupted, because the academic people go into the bureaucracy.

Cheating at elections, censorship, political persecution, corruption, total policy failure, etc. it is just the same shit what socialists do in every country, USA socialists aren't special. There is nothing recognizably American, in the sense of the American spirit, or allegiance to the constitution, about American socialists. Any academic piece of shit, ridicules the constitution of the USA as ancient nonsense, far below their superior socialist ideas. And the spirit of any socialist is marked by the absence of any spirit. Because socialists do not believe in either God the holy spirit, or the ordinary human spirit, which they just regard as unscientific nonsense.

If Trump wins the presidency, then it is highly likely that this will result in an increase of nazism, especially at universities. Because the loony left wing socialists there, can just change to loony right wing socialists. Anybody can see with the Palestine situation, that these people don't really have any problem to be anti-semites. They don't really have any problem to be racists. If some big city in the USA collapses under immigration, or maybe if south africa collapses, then they can just make up a story to support racism, and be nazis. The path from left wing socialism, to right wing socialism, is easy, as China has shown. Where they now have a policy of ethnocentric nationalism, genocidal policies against Ugyur and Tibetan, and the intellectuals follow an actual dead nazi inspirator named Schmitt.

Op vrijdag 5 januari 2024 om 14:37:30 UTC+1 schreef Lawyer Daggett:
> On Friday, January 5, 2024 at 6:37:30 AM UTC-5, Martin Harran wrote:
> > On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 04:08:40 -0800 (PST), "broger...@gmail.com"
> > <broger...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Saturday, December 23, 2023 at 5:32:18?AM UTC-5, Martin Harran wrote:
> . . .
> > https://www.economist.com/leaders/2024/01/04/the-man-supposed-to-stop-donald-trump-is-an-unpopular-81-year-old
> >
> > <quote>
> >
> > THE MAN SUPPOSED TO STOP DONALD TRUMP IS AN UNPOPULAR 81-YEAR-OLD
> >
> > In failing to look past Joe Biden, Democrats have shown cowardice and
> > complacency.
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I do think much of the analysis is missing a key reason that the Dems have kept with Biden,
> and indeed the reason they went with him in the first place. It's because he's milquetoast.
> The reasoning goes this way. Trump seems to function politically by stirring up fear and anger,
> in, shall we call them vulnerable subsets of the electorate. He harvests those who are perpetually
> angry, those with oppositional defiant disorder, and I'll spare you the list from Blazing Saddles.
> He points to his opponent and they get labeled with all sorts of nasties. Paradoxically, they get
> labeled both as weak and a threat. This was quite effective against Hillary as it tagged unto many
> decades of propaganda. But 'Uncle Joe' just can't seem to appear threatening.
>
> This tends to take the steam out of Trump's sails for that final suite of voters he needs. For these
> purposes, we'll call them swing voters but specifically the ones who don't actually like being afraid
> and angry all the time. It isn't healthy.
>
> He's tapped into those who are addicted to it, and those who are enjoying him giving them an excuse
> to let their bigotry out, and those are a lost cause, even when they acknowledge he's a dangerous idiot.
>
> So many within the Democratic Party feel that for the specific case of Trump, one needs a cooler.
> Someone who takes down the temperature, extinguishes the fire. That was Biden.
>
> But in the last 4 years, the GOP machine has been working hard to recast Biden as a horrible threat.
> To some extent it's worked and you can hear people both talking about how weak and ineffective
> he is while simultaneously being a threat. All through odd rumors of the Biden Crime Family and
> strange inventions.
>
> The problem is, if the Dems anointed some leader to replace him, and I frankly don't know who
> that would be, it would in some sense need to be a charismatic person who would almost
> certainly be a better target for the rage manufacturing machine of the GOP.
>
> Of course there's not a hint of policy in this discussion, which ought to smell rotten to any
> sensible thinking person, but policy doesn't win elections.
>
> So the Dems are stuck, just like the GQP is stuck with Trump. And few are very happy about their
> choices, except for the very worst of people who like the worst of Trump.

On 1/5/24 9:10 PM, zen cycle wrote:
> On 1/3/2024 10:40 AM, Mark Isaak wrote:
>>
>>
>> There was a time (1659) when Christmas was officially banned in the
>> American colonies, too, specifically in Massachusetts.  By the Puritans.
>>
>> But I promise to abstain from all Christmas celebrations for at least
>> the next ten months.
>>
>
> Which christian holiday would that be? There are at least a dozen +/- a
> couple of weeks of november 30 (depending on sectarian preference)

I might observe (as they go past) the Christian holidays of Halloween
and the Fourth of July, along with the pagan holiday Easter and the New
Age holiday Thanksgiving. I will mostly ignore the saint's days (and how
did a groundhog get sainted, anyway?).

The only holiday I plant actually to celebrate is my own birthday.

--
Mark Isaak
"Wisdom begins when you discover the difference between 'That
doesn't make sense' and 'I don't understand.'" - Mary Doria Russell