jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) > in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>> Back to the topic, well put, Jordy.
>>
>
> thank you, Will

Good afternoon, Jordy.

:)

On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:58:44 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 2:40:17 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:21:22 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > >> > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:30:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > >> >
> > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > >> >
> > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > >> >
> > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > >> >
> > >> > Shalom Will
> > >>
> > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
> > >>
> > >
> >
> > > Thanks, same to you
> > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> bonjour, Will

Hello there my friend.

On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:58:44 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 2:40:17 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > > Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:21:22 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > >> > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:30:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > >> >
> > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Shalom Will
> > > >>
> > > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks, same to you
> > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > bonjour, Will
> Hello there my friend.
Shalom Will

Jordy C wrote:

> On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Jordy C wrote:
>> > Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> Jordy C wrote:
>
>> > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > Shalom Will
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > > > Thanks, same to you
>> > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
>> > bonjour, Will
>> Hello there my friend.
> Shalom Will

Hello there, Jordy.

🙂

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...

Good afternoon Jordy, still well put and right on target.

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...

Outstanding read and it still applies to our current topics...

On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...

Good afternoon Jordy, again, well put.

On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:47:06 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:58:44 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 2:40:17 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > > > Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:21:22 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > >> > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:30:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Shalom Will
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks, same to you
> > > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > > bonjour, Will
> > Hello there my friend.
> Shalom Will

Hope you're having a good Sunday morning my friend.

On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 3:33:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail..com wrote:
> >
> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> Good afternoon Jordy, again, well put.
Shalom Will, thank you

On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:31:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:47:06 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:58:44 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 2:40:17 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:21:22 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > >> > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:30:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > Shalom Will
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks, same to you
> > > > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > Hello there my friend.
> > Shalom Will
> Hope you're having a good Sunday morning my friend.
thank you, same to you

Jordy C wrote:

> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 3:33:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail..com wrote:
>
>> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>> Good afternoon Jordy, again, well put.
> Shalom Will, thank you

Hello again, Jordy.

:)

On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:54:17 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 3:33:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> > Good afternoon Jordy, again, well put.
> Shalom Will, thank you

Hello there my friend, great to see you again today.

On Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 12:34:47 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:54:17 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 3:33:57 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> > > Good afternoon Jordy, again, well put.
> > Shalom Will, thank you
> Hello there my friend, great to see you again today.

I have doubts when some fool built a whole mythos and world based off his life experiences...
He pretty much admitted to that when he said a bio excerpt of his would make a good poem.
This thread is quickly becoming unreadable to anyone on the Internet, and the poetry carrion crow cackles..

On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:54:31 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:31:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:47:06 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:58:44 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 2:40:17 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:21:22 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > >> > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:30:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Shalom Will
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks, same to you
> > > > > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > Hello there my friend.
> > > Shalom Will
> > Hope you're having a good Sunday morning my friend.
> thank you, same to you

Good evening, Jordy.

On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:54:31 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:31:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:47:06 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:58:44 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 2:40:17 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:21:22 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > >> > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:30:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > >> > Shalom Will
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks, same to you
> > > > > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > Hello there my friend.
> > > Shalom Will
> > Hope you're having a good Sunday morning my friend.
> thank you, same to you

Great to see you again today, Jordy.

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:54:31 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:31:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:47:06 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:58:44 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 2:40:17 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:21:22 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:30:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Shalom Will
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks, same to you
> > > > > > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > Hello there my friend.
> > > > Shalom Will
> > > Hope you're having a good Sunday morning my friend.
> > thank you, same to you
> Great to see you again today, Jordy.
hola Will

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:54:31 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:31:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:47:06 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:19:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, May 31, 2023 at 11:58:44 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 2:40:17 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:21:22 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:30:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >> Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > >> > Shalom Will
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks, same to you
> > > > > > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > > Hello there my friend.
> > > > Shalom Will
> > > Hope you're having a good Sunday morning my friend.
> > thank you, same to you
> Great to see you again today, Jordy.
hola will

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:18:18 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:54:31 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:31:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:47:06 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>
> > >> > Shalom Will
>
> > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
>
> > > thank you, same to you
> > Great to see you again today, Jordy.
> hola Will

Good morning again my friend.

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:18:18 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:54:31 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Sunday, July 9, 2023 at 9:31:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, June 24, 2023 at 4:47:06 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.
>
> > > > > > > bonjour, Will
>
> > Great to see you again today, Jordy.
> hola Will

Good afternoon my friend, hope you're having a great weekend.

On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:18:18 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Jordy C. wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > >> > Shalom Will
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks, same to you
> > > > > > > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > > > > > > bonjour
> > > > Hope you're having a good Sunday morning my friend.
>
> hola Will

Good evening, my friend.

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:53:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:18:18 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Jordy C. wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > Shalom Will
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks, same to you
> > > > > > > > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > bonjour
> > > > > Hope you're having a good Sunday morning my friend.
> >
> > hola Will
>
> Good evening, my friend.
Shalom Will

On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:18:18 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:53:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:18:18 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Jordy C. wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Shalom Will
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > bonjour
> > > > > > Hope you're having a good Sunday morning my friend.
> > >
> > > hola Will
> >
> > Good evening, my friend.
> Shalom Will

Hello there Jordy, great to see you again today.

jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...

Good morning my friend, still on topic for a poetry group.

On Wednesday, July 26, 2023 at 6:13:34 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 10:18:18 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 25, 2023 at 9:53:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 10:18:18 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Friday, July 14, 2023 at 7:31:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Jordy C. wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > Shalom Will
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Hello there my friend, hope your weekend is going well so far.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, same to you
> > > > > > > > > > > Good afternoon, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > bonjour
> > > > > > > Hope you're having a good Sunday morning my friend.
> > > >
> > > > hola Will
> > >
> > > Good evening, my friend.
> > Shalom Will
> Hello there Jordy, great to see you again today.

Bonjour, Will

On Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>
> Good morning my friend, still on topic for a poetry group.
Thank you, Will