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+* Re: Song and Poems and Stories are NOT necessarilly autobiographical!!!Will Dockery
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+* Re: Song and Poems and Stories are NOT necessarilly autobiographical!!!Will Dockery
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 by: General-Zod - Wed, 23 Aug 2023 22:09 UTC

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:22:50 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:18:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:32:23 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
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>> > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
>> > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
>> > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers

That Karla lady was so smart...!

Hi J.C. and Doc...!!

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 by: Will Dockery - Thu, 24 Aug 2023 15:40 UTC

On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:54:06 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:47:29 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 11:10:24 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:42:32 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:56:01 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:03:02 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:50:54 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical..
> > > > >
> > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of > > >> > Sh
> > > > >
> > > > > Bonjour, Will
> > > >
> > > > Good morning, Jordy.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Shalom Will
> > Hello there my friend, hope you're having a nice Saturday morning so far.
> >
>
> thank you, same to you

Great to see you again this morning my friend.

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On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:38:25 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> Jordy C wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:25:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:22:50 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Bonjour, Will
> >
> >> > > Hello there, my friend.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> > hola Mr Will
> >>
> >> Great to see you again this morning, Jordy.
> > bonjour, Will
> Good afternoon again, Jordy.

Shalom Will

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On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 6:10:37 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:22:50 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:18:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:32:23 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >>
> >> > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> >> > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> >> > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> That Karla lady was so smart...!
>
> Hi J.C. and Doc...!!

Hi there FS

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 by: Jordy C - Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:26 UTC

On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:41:01 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 11:54:06 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 19, 2023 at 4:47:29 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 11:10:24 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, August 17, 2023 at 2:42:32 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:56:01 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 5:03:02 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, August 13, 2023 at 9:50:54 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of > > >> > Sh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bonjour, Will
> > > > >
> > > > > Good morning, Jordy.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Shalom Will
> > > Hello there my friend, hope you're having a nice Saturday morning so far.
> > >
> >
> > thank you, same to you
> Great to see you again this morning my friend.

Bonjour, Will

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 by: Will Dockery - Fri, 25 Aug 2023 03:41 UTC

On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 1:25:57 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:38:25 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:25:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:22:50 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
>
> > >> > hola Mr Will
> > >>
> > >> Great to see you again this morning, Jordy.
> > > bonjour, Will
> > Good afternoon again, Jordy.
> Shalom Will

Hello again my friend, hope you're having a nice evening.

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 by: Jordy C - Fri, 25 Aug 2023 03:45 UTC

On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:41:24 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 1:25:57 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 5:38:25 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wednesday, August 23, 2023 at 9:25:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:22:50 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> >
> > > >> > hola Mr Will
> > > >>
> > > >> Great to see you again this morning, Jordy.
> > > > bonjour, Will
> > > Good afternoon again, Jordy.
> > Shalom Will
> Hello again my friend, hope you're having a nice evening.
thank you, same to you

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 by: Will Dockery - Fri, 25 Aug 2023 16:12 UTC

On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:45:09 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:41:24 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 1:25:57 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > >
> > > > >> > hola Mr Will
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Great to see you again this morning, Jordy.
> > > > > bonjour, Will
>
> > Hello again my friend, hope you're having a nice evening.
> thank you, same to you

Good afternoon again Jordy.

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jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:17:09 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:05:52 jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) > in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> > Back to the topic, well put, Jordy.
> >

> thank you, Will

Again, good afternoon, Jordy.

🙂

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 by: Jordy C - Sat, 26 Aug 2023 00:33 UTC

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 12:12:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:45:09 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:41:24 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 1:25:57 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > > >
> > > > > >> > hola Mr Will
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Great to see you again this morning, Jordy.
> > > > > > bonjour, Will
> >
> > > Hello again my friend, hope you're having a nice evening.
> > thank you, same to you
> Good afternoon again Jordy.
Shalom Will

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 by: Jordy C - Sat, 26 Aug 2023 00:33 UTC

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 2:44:47 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 11:17:09 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:05:52 jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) > in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> > > Back to the topic, well put, Jordy.
> > >
>
> > thank you, Will
>
> Again, good afternoon, Jordy.
>
> 🙂
bonjour, Will

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 by: Will Dockery - Sat, 26 Aug 2023 21:23 UTC

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:33:19 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 12:12:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:45:09 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters..... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > > > >
> > > > > > >> > hola Mr Will
> >
> > Good afternoon again Jordy.
> Shalom Will

Great to see you again this afternoon, my friend.

:)

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 by: Jordy C - Sun, 27 Aug 2023 14:09 UTC

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:23:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:33:19 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 12:12:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 11:45:09 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters..... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >> > hola Mr Will
> > >
> > > Good afternoon again Jordy.
> > Shalom Will
> Great to see you again this afternoon, my friend.
>
> :)
bonjour, Will

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 by: Will Dockery - Tue, 29 Aug 2023 00:16 UTC

On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:09:53 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:23:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:33:19 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters..... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> > hola Mr Will
> > > >
> > > > Good afternoon again Jordy.
> > > Shalom Will
> > Great to see you again this afternoon, my friend.
> >
>
> bonjour, Will

Hello there my friend.

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 by: Jordy C - Tue, 29 Aug 2023 13:18 UTC

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:16:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:09:53 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 5:23:43 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 8:33:19 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > hola Mr Will
> > > > >
> > > > > Good afternoon again Jordy.
> > > > Shalom Will
> > > Great to see you again this afternoon, my friend.
> > >
> >
> > bonjour, Will
>
> Hello there my friend.

Hola Will

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 by: Will Dockery - Wed, 30 Aug 2023 10:49 UTC

On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:18:13 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:16:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:09:53 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > hola Mr Will
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Good afternoon again Jordy.
>
> > > bonjour, Will
> >
> > Hello there my friend.
> Hola Will

Great to see you again this morning, Jordy.

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On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:49:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:18:13 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:16:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:09:53 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > hola Mr Will
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good afternoon again Jordy.
> >
> > > > bonjour, Will
> > >
> > > Hello there my friend.
> > Hola Will
> Great to see you again this morning, Jordy.

Great to see you sWilly! Ready for your spam run? You look awfully haggard after being up till 3:30 in the morining and back at it by 6:30 in the morning!

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General-Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, August 22, 2023 at 8:22:50 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >> On Monday, August 21, 2023 at 5:18:12 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, August 20, 2023 at 11:32:23 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >>
> >> > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> >> > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> >> > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> That Karla lady was so smart...!
>
> Hi J.C. and Doc...!!

Good morning, Zod.

🙂

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On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:49:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:18:13 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:16:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:09:53 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > hola Mr Will
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Good afternoon again Jordy.
> >
> > > > bonjour, Will
> > >
> > > Hello there my friend.
> > Hola Will
> Great to see you again this morning, Jordy.

Shalom Will

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On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 11:50:15 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:49:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:18:13 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:16:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:09:53 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > hola Mr Will
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good afternoon again Jordy.
> > >
> > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > >
> > > > Hello there my friend.
> > > Hola Will
> > Great to see you again this morning, Jordy.
> Shalom Will

Good morning my friend, great to see you again this morning.

🙂

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On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 2:04:12 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 11:50:15 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 6:49:10 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 9:18:13 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 8:16:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, August 27, 2023 at 10:09:53 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > hola Mr Will
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Good afternoon again Jordy.
> > > >
> > > > > > bonjour, Will
> > > > >
> > > > > Hello there my friend.
> > > > Hola Will
> > > Great to see you again this morning, Jordy.
> > Shalom Will
> Good morning my friend, great to see you again this morning.
>
> 🙂
bonjour, Will

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 by: W.Dockery - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 19:37 UTC

Jordy C wrote:

> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 2:04:12 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 11:50:15 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
>>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
>
>> Again, agreed, Jordy.
>> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
>> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
>
> bonjour, Will

Good afternoon again, my friend, great to see youi today.

;)

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Subject: Re: Song and Poems and Stories are NOT necessarilly autobiographical!!!
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 by: Jordy C - Fri, 1 Sep 2023 21:53 UTC

On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 3:40:23 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> Jordy C wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 2:04:12 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 11:50:15 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> >
> >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> >
> >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> >
> > bonjour, Will
>
> Good afternoon again, my friend, great to see youi today.
>
> ;)
Shalom Will

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 by: Will Dockery - Sun, 3 Sep 2023 01:15 UTC

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:53:16 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 3:40:23 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > Jordy C wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 2:04:12 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 11:50:15 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > >
> > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > >
> > > bonjour, Will
> >
> > Good afternoon again, my friend, great to see youi today.
> >
>
> Shalom Will

Hello there, Jordy.

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 by: Jordy C - Sun, 3 Sep 2023 14:06 UTC

On Saturday, September 2, 2023 at 9:15:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 5:53:16 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 3:40:23 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, August 31, 2023 at 2:04:12 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> On Wednesday, August 30, 2023 at 11:50:15 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a ssarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters.... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
> > > >
> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem." -Karla Rogers
> > > >
> > > > bonjour, Will
> > >
> > > Good afternoon again, my friend, great to see youi today.
> > >
> >
> > Shalom Will
>
> Hello there, Jordy.
hola Mr Will


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